Sea Shepherd Ship Severely Damaged by Rogue Wave

Killer whale attack Sharks

Nature is cool

Not a big fan of sharks.


The BBC vid didn't work clik link

reply to post by MischeviousElf


Personally I dont give a Flying # what you say, it still does not alter the fact that the Sea Shepherd crew are reckless and endanger HUMAN lives on the High Seas which in a court of law could be construed as an act of Piracy on the High Seas (not Japanese waters as you stated).

Funny how people will endorse terrorism when its for their cause...

I dont agree with killing whales.....

But bio terrorism isnt the answer.........

Technically yes they operate in a gray area with whale hunting......and you might not agree with it.....

But what the Sea Shepard is doing IS illegal..........they are pirates.......

If the ship sinks its their own fault , they are prepared to die for their cause......

You act reckless , you must be prepared to accept the outcome

reply to post by Wotan


I quoted the Official Maritime Legal & Treaties of Japan in Relation to Piracy.

No matter how loud you shout it, or how many people you insult you are still wrong.

You also slandered those in danger, are calling for almost barbaric of an, by gone era practices on Humans, people and obviously don't think much of Whales to lol.

Take a calm down pill, put on an candle, get some camomile tea, some nice Whale song music here is some to help



Now twice on this thread you have defamed and lied about these people.

They are not pirates, they have no parrots, wooden legs or Pieces of Eight to steal or plunder, oh and every current legal definition of Piracy would accept that these men are in fact not Pirates, never have been and never will be if they continue to operate as they have.

The Parrot really is dead

And they really are not Pirates, and I am sorry to have to repeat it again but you were wrong.

I hope the whales and an laugh helped if you are feeling a bit angry at the mo.

Kind Regards,

Elf

Originally posted by Wotan
reply to post by MischeviousElf

 

Personally I dont give a Flying # what you say, it still does not alter the fact that the Sea Shepherd crew are reckless and endanger HUMAN lives on the High Seas which in a court of law could be construed as an act of Piracy on the High Seas (not Japanese waters as you stated).

So you are willing to hide under legal technicallities while thousands of whales get killed and probably go extinct after 10-20 years? That is pretty short sighted! To be honest I don't think sea shephard is doing enough, but then again they don't have the appropriate resources to fight the japanesse.

It should not be the sea shephard's job anyway. It should be new zeland and australias job, funded by the UN and greenpeace. Sea shephard is filling in someone else's role and they have every reason to be proud of their accomplishments.

You are just spouting nonsense. Humans do not need to consume whale meat or at the very least strict quotas should be upheld and whale sanctuaries respected.

reply to post by MischeviousElf


Well I dont know what else you call it when someone is doing a LEGAL activity on the High Seas and someone else intentionally disrupts that said activity by deliberately ramming the vessel and endangering lives ..... in my book, that is an act of Piracy. If the same thing was done off the coast of Somalia by the locals to commercial vessels it would be called Piracy .... so what is the difference. The crew of the Sea Shepherd are criminals and should be dealt as such. If I deliberately rammed your vehicle with mine because I did not like what you were doing, that would make me a criminal and possibly a jail sentence for attempted murder.

As for slander, I am entitled to my opinion. This is ATS, we can pretty well say what the hell we like .... get over it.

As to my opinion on whaleing. I dont give a toss either way to be honest, its no different from normal fishing.

reply to post by Wotan


Wotan, This is the first time in many replies and posts that I am simply gonna say what is on my mind.

You are incredibly wrong about both the legal definition of piracy and the moral implications of killing whales for profit.

Perhaps we should spear and eat you, the world would be a better place........

Originally posted by Wotan
Well I dont know what else you call it when someone is doing a LEGAL activity on the High Seas and someone else intentionally disrupts that said activity by deliberately ramming the vessel and endangering lives

As to my opinion on whaleing. I dont give a toss either way to be honest, its no different from normal fishing.

First off, what the Japanese are doing is NOT entirely legal. They are claiming to be doing whaling for research purposes only. Noone believes that, which means they are in defacto violation of the Antartica Whale Sactuary, which is a violation of International Treaties.

Just because noone has the political will to take the Japanese Fishing Industry and the Yakuza to court doesn't make it any more legal.

In addition, whaling is NOT like normal fishing. For one thing, whales are not fish. They are intelligent MAMMALS that organize into family groups and have highly ordered social structures. While I understand that we are predators and certainly do not discount such things, we have to be responsible with our prey and not collapse entire ecosystems. If we start killing off entire populations or even extincting entire species of whales, we can absolutely expect a collapse of the ocean ecosystems which would end up in us humans equally as dead.

reply to post by MischeviousElf


They don't have a parrot. But they do have a slack jawed idiot in charge.

While I respect the idea of actually doing something to stop whaling.
The methods the sea sheppards are using are dangerous.

I rage every time I watch the show. The inexperience and idiocy of their actions show.
Their methods are pretty ineffective.
On one episode they actually showed the japanese gutting a whale.
It was completely disheartening to watch.

They need to actually get sailors on those ships so that the others can learn alongside professionals.
They need to figure out something that will actually work. The only thing i've seen them use that was somewhat effective was the spud cannons.

bah

Whales may well be mammals, but so are cattle, sheep, pigs, rabbits, deer etc etc.

Look, I dont care either way about whaling, I am actually quite neutral on the subject. BUT the act against another vessel is a criminal act no matter what way you look at it, whether it is for moral reasons or not, it is still criminal and on the High Seas that means it is Piracy ..... They actually boarded a vessel which is an act of Piracy.

reply to post by Wotan

Originally posted by Wotan
reply to post by MischeviousElf

 

If the same thing was done off the coast of Somalia by the locals to commercial vessels it would be called Piracy

There is real piracy going on of the coast of Somalia.

They are Real pirates killing, kidnapping, raping, robbing, taking hostage looting and jolly roger and all that.

Did you look at the Linked article?

The quoted one showing you what piracy is.

I don't want to again have to show the truth, by getting the treaties and legislations for that part of the world, it would be practically if not word perfect the same.

And yet you still will not let go of this false belief and accusations.

THEY ARE NOT PIRATES..............

NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES YOU SAY IT.......

REAL PIRATES:

Now below are some people who may appear to be pirates,
But are not Real really real ones, LIKE THOSE ABOVE

They even dress more like pirates than the somali nike wearing ones do,

However even as much as they try and see its very funny:



They like the crew of the Sea Shepherd and her affiliates ARE NOT PIRATES.

I hope you can understand that fundamental point by now, and if not you are making me doubt my teaching and training skills, as I have been

Patient
Used Audio Visual
Polite
Used Facts and the truth
Provided Resources
used constructive analysis to explain

Used Humor....

And you really really still think they are Pirates?

Dare you to drop that negative belief....

Pirates nah nadda,

They are just hippies on an boat.

Saving protecting one of the most amazing organisms on the planet that children can swim through the arteries of, have bigger brains than you are as an whole etc etc.. Hippies in an small boat compared to the massive factory ships and they don't in any way try to ram it...

They bravely place themselves between the harpoons and the whales.

The whalers often still shoot.

NO Pirates just hippies in an boat.

As to my opinion on whaleing. I dont give a toss either way to be honest, its no different from normal fishing.

Um I think you will find its very different
Fishing = Catching Fishes
Hunting= Catching Mammals

They are not fish they have very very complex communities, show compassion have names for each other operate in groups, use tools and also can recognise themselves... they are not fish.

Kind Regards,

Elf

reply to post by MischeviousElf


Modern definitions of piracy include the following acts:

Boarding
Extortion
Hostage taking
Kidnapping of people for ransom
Murder
Robbery
Sabotage resulting in the ship subsequently sinking
Seizure of items or the ship
Shipwrecking done intentionally to a ship

I know Wikipedia should not ideally be used as a reference, but I would suggest reading it to define what piracy is and also read the small paragraph about the Sea Shepherd and its act of Piracy.

I would also read the UN Charters on what Piracy is if I was you ...... Basically they are environmental terrorists, therefore they are Pirates ..... Period.

Pirates or not the Shepard's crews actions are nothing but wreckless and dangerous for both sides of this madness man does not fish whale the way he did before for many reasons but to go to these measures are plain lunacy. Like a earlier poster noted the way to go about this is with backing from local respected governments like NZ or Australia, I know countries have tried stopping or slowing the Japanese whaling fleets over the last several years but actions like this can never help!!! all life is SACRED.

Originally posted by rogerstigers

Originally posted by Wotan
Well I dont know what else you call it when someone is doing a LEGAL activity on the High Seas and someone else intentionally disrupts that said activity by deliberately ramming the vessel and endangering lives

As to my opinion on whaleing. I dont give a toss either way to be honest, its no different from normal fishing.

First off, what the Japanese are doing is NOT entirely legal. They are claiming to be doing whaling for research purposes only. Noone believes that, which means they are in defacto violation of the Antartica Whale Sactuary, which is a violation of International Treaties.

Just because noone has the political will to take the Japanese Fishing Industry and the Yakuza to court doesn't make it any more legal.

In addition, whaling is NOT like normal fishing. For one thing, whales are not fish. They are intelligent MAMMALS that organize into family groups and have highly ordered social structures. While I understand that we are predators and certainly do not discount such things, we have to be responsible with our prey and not collapse entire ecosystems. If we start killing off entire populations or even extincting entire species of whales, we can absolutely expect a collapse of the ocean ecosystems which would end up in us humans equally as dead.

your theory here is a little flawed whales are yes a mammal and are very intelligent but so are monkeys, bears, deer and much the like losing the whales of the sea would yes be devastating but it would not collapse the eco-system just work out their place within the food chains.

It seems you have much respect for Whales because they are intelligent do you not respect fish or squid or any other being of the sea because they are simply not as intelligent?

like I always try to say ALL life is sacred from a blade of grass to the great blue whale
The true threat to the world is the synthetic poisons that are altering destroying plankton and many small living beings but I must admit that does not matter hey? cause whales have feelings

Please oh Please,

They are NOT PIRATES

They do not commit acts of Piracy because as even now slowly YOU EVEN AGREE

Originally posted by Wotan
I would also read the UN Charters on what Piracy is if I was you ...... Basically they are environmental terrorists, therefore they are Pirates ..... Period.

I will therefore spell out the address of the Link I originally showed and have mentioned since but take out the www.

.un.org/Depts/los/LEGISLATIONANDTREATIES/PDFFILES/JPN_anti_piracy.pdf

UN.org United Nations as I said I was quoting current law as defined by the UN not Wiki

More Humour? I think I need it that or cry eh??

Maybe repetition will work



Both the Parrot is dead and they are not pirates.

Go on the sea shepherd or the rainbow warrior et al and you wont find a sniff of an parrot, no rum, nothing wooden or sinister about an group of Hippies in an boat at all.

To be honest a few of your remarks though giving me a smile, your general disregard for whales, people, truth or facts, love of draconian and violent corpro-centric rantings do leave me with one last thing to say to you




Kind Regards,

Elf

Originally posted by Ophiuchus 13
THEY NEED TO MAKE NEW SONIC NOISE MAKERS AND DROP THEM NEAR THE WHALING CRAFTS TO ALERT THE WHALES of the ignorance near to narm them THEY the whales WILL CATCH ON AND AVOID THE NOISE they are smarter then many think. So instead of the direct approach just throw these noise makers near or around whaler ships to annoy any potential whale captures.

edit on 12/29/11 by Ophiuchus 13 because: (no reason given)

not a bad solution it beats ramming ships out at sea that would risk lives and a possible sinking ship which IMHO is worse for the planet, whales are pretty wise I'm sure they would click on to such things pretty quick

reply to post by MischeviousElf


So, according to YOU, ramming a ship, cutting a ship up and illegal boarding of a ship under way on the High Seas is not an act of Piracy? I am sorry, but you are talking absolute bollocks. The captain of the Steve Irwin doing what he has done in most countries legal waters would be in court or perhaps a prison. He should be stripped of his Captains Ticket and of ever 'Captaining' a ship for his reckless behaviour. It is only a matter of time where his actions actually kill someone. If that happens, will you still defend the man?

I understand that you love whales and you need to defend them, but you are letting that get in the way of legalities.

As for your so-called 'humour', it doesnt wash with me as Piracy is a very serious matter and I would go on to add to your humour that the Steve Irwin in fact flies a bastardised Jolly Roger

It is about time that the Japanese send down a warship to defend their fleet .......... Lets see the Sea Shepherd take on a Frigate.

reply to post by Wotan


I guess you believe the 'law' is more important than the extinction of a species, that would inevitably lead to the extinction of ourselves?

Do you think it's right that the whalers can get around a 'law' by exploiting a loop hole, and lying about their real intentions?

The whalers, and the governments, are the bad guys here. If governments refuse to enforce the laws they make, then what's the point of the laws in the first place? Our environment, whatever you think, needs protecting, capitalism has no morals.

reply to post by ANOK


I had a long reply written then I lost the connection as I was posting. I cannot be arsed to re-write it.

I am not argueing the morals or ethics of the issue of whether it is right or wrong to hunt whales as I am quite neutral on the issue.

I was argueing on the Law of the High Seas as to the Sea Shepherd and its crews actions. As always with emotive issues, there are two camps and both will never see eye-to-eye.

I have said my piece and I shall leave it at that.

regards
Wotan

So when people like those on the sea Sheppard take matters into their own hands its a good thing. When Israel does it people scream bloody murder over it. I personally am waiting for the day they piss Japan off enough where they send naval vessels to protect their fleet. Apparently the boobs on the Sea Sheppard didn't learn their lesson when they had one of their vessels run over by a Japanese vessel. Its only going to take another moronic attempt to board the vessel to arrest the captain before they realize the Japanese crews can legally repel borders.

Trying to arrest the Captain can be taken as possible piracy as well.

I think whaling should be outlawed.. However the people bitching in this thread about US over reach seem to be hypocritical in this thread when it deals with a subject they seem to agree with.

riiiggghhht....

The irony and lack of common sense abound in this thread...

Originally posted by Wotan

I was argueing on the Law of the High Seas as to the Sea Shepherd and its crews actions. As always with emotive issues, there are two camps and both will never see eye-to-eye.

I understand what you were saying and my reply reflected that I thought?

You are more concerned about the laws Sea Shepherd break, than the fact that the whalers are breaking the law through a loophole.

Two wrongs don't make a right, but what else are they supposed to do, just sit and watch whalers at work, or try to stop them the best way they can with what they have?

It's a waste of time expecting the authorities to enforce the laws, whales are dying right now. Whales are more important than laws, profits, peoples tastes in food. More important than people in fact, because if we became extinct nature would flourish, if whales become extinct we all become extinct.

Saving the whales is more important than 'laws', and peoples comments about their methods. Before you criticize, think about what you are doing to stop this. What was that? Nothing? Not even a suggestion of what they could do better.