Sea Shepherd Ship Severely Damaged by Rogue Wave

Originally posted by rogerstigers
reply to post by MRedfield

 

Actually, yeah, I do. Their tactic (the Japenese Fishing Industry, that is) has always been to stay within the grey area of the law. What they do is technically not illegal, only because of loopholes. Ignoring an SOS is a violation of international maritime law.

Maritime Law also says that you should not intentionally ram another ship - The Sea Shepherd crews are nothing but Pirates IMHO and should be hung, drawn and quartered like all captured Pirates should be.

Ever since the invention of kerosene there has been no need to hunt whales, that being said the crew does push the limits. Although I may not approve completely of their tactics I do admire them for putting their money where their mouth is. They do get results and I'm sure that they sleep fine at night. Even if you don't agree with them you should admire them for their tenacity. I hope they come away from this safe and maybe one day there will not be a need for such extremists. Today what they're doing they must believe in it. Where most people talk about changing the world they are actually trying to change the world. For that alone they have my respect.

SMH at the whalers of EARTH - I got LOVE for the Sea Shepherd Ship crew _RESPECTS_ and all they try to do and wish there was more support (in time). Its too much blood shed in whaling. Pathetic IGNORANCE pratice

Originally posted by MRedfield
reply to post by rogerstigers

 

You wonder why the Japanese fleet hasn't responded?

If you were doing something that was completely legal by all international standards and laws, and a group of renegade people who are deadset that their beliefs are right are constantly attacking your ship with prop foulers, stink bombs, slippery bombs, lasers, and assorted other underhanded tactics...would you really go help them out after they have an accident?

what the japanese are doing in THOSE particular waters is NOT legal. It is a no-whaling zone, set up by international board. That is why they lie and post signs on the sides of their ships that they are just out there doing "research."

THEY NEED TO MAKE NEW SONIC NOISE MAKERS AND DROP THEM NEAR THE WHALING CRAFTS TO ALERT THE WHALES of the ignorance near to narm them THEY the whales WILL CATCH ON AND AVOID THE NOISE they are smarter then many think. So instead of the direct approach just throw these noise makers near or around whaler ships to annoy any potential whale captures.

LAY OFF..

If the JAPS want to eat whales
let them!!

No ones business what animals others eat!!

Originally posted by popsmayhem
LAY OFF..

If the JAPS want to eat whales
let them!!

No ones business what animals others eat!!
[COLOR=GOLD] ALL ANIMAL CONSUMPTION MAY BE FUTURE BUSINESS?!?!?!? [/COLOR]

Its not about what the sapiens sapiens of ASIA quardrant EAT! its about the balance in nature. THERE IS REASON THE GEORGIA GUIDESTONES MENTIONS THE POPULATION OF MAN ON EARTH SHOULDNT EXCEED 500,000,000 TO KEEP BALANCE* WITH NATURE.

Originally posted by Nana2

Originally posted by MRedfield
reply to post by rogerstigers

 

You wonder why the Japanese fleet hasn't responded?

If you were doing something that was completely legal by all international standards and laws, and a group of renegade people who are deadset that their beliefs are right are constantly attacking your ship with prop foulers, stink bombs, slippery bombs, lasers, and assorted other underhanded tactics...would you really go help them out after they have an accident?

what the japanese are doing in THOSE particular waters is NOT legal. It is a no-whaling zone, set up by international board. That is why they lie and post signs on the sides of their ships that they are just out there doing "research."

Actually it is perfectly legal to fish for whales in the Southern Ocean as it is not enforceable by any International law, it is only a IWC ruleing, not a law.

reply to post by rogerstigers


If they put out a general SOS I am curious if they will accept assistance from Japanese vessels.

Originally posted by Grimpachi
Ever since the invention of kerosene there has been no need to hunt whales, that being said the crew does push the limits. Although I may not approve completely of their tactics I do admire them for putting their money where their mouth is. They do get results and I'm sure that they sleep fine at night. Even if you don't agree with them you should admire them for their tenacity. I hope they come away from this safe and maybe one day there will not be a need for such extremists. Today what they're doing they must believe in it. Where most people talk about changing the world they are actually trying to change the world. For that alone they have my respect.

Though I agree with you that whales are not needed for their oil, whaleing nations such as Iceland, Norway and Japan and also the US hunt them for their meat.

Originally posted by Wotan
Actually it is perfectly legal to fish for whales in the Southern Ocean as it is not enforceable by any International law, it is only a IWC ruleing, not a law.

Japanese whaling within Australian waters in Antarctica is illegal and should be stopped, a court ruled on Tuesday.

It is now up to the Australian government to decide whether to enforce the injunction. And even then it is unclear whether the ruling could be enforced as unless the whaling vessels enter Australia, "there is no practical mechanism by which orders of this court can be enforced" conceded Federal Court judge Jim Allsop.

The Australian Whale Sanctuary, which protects all whales and dolphins in Australian waters, was proclaimed in 2000.

These waters include a 200-mile wide stretch adjacent to Australia's Antarctic territory, in which more than 1300 whales were killed by Japanese company Kyodo Senpaku Kaisha between 2000 and 2006, estimates Humane Society International.

www.newscientist.com...

Or maybe surround the whaler fleet with smell objects or liquids that will make whales stay away also. So surround the fleet and drop smellies in water that make whales leave area.

Originally posted by Ophiuchus 13

Originally posted by popsmayhem
LAY OFF..

If the JAPS want to eat whales
let them!!

No ones business what animals others eat!!
[COLOR=GOLD] ALL ANIMAL CONSUMPTION MAY BE FUTURE BUSINESS?!?!?!? [/COLOR]

Its not about what the sapiens sapiens of ASIA quardrant EAT! its about the balance in nature. THERE IS REASON THE GEORGIA GUIDESTONES MENTIONS THE POPULATION OF MAN ON EARTH SHOULDNT EXCEED 500,000,000 TO KEEP BALANCE* WITH NATURE.

edit on 12/29/11 by Ophiuchus 13 because: (no reason given)

Exactly. In places like Indonesia or Greenland, kills are moderated by ancient tradition and all parts of the whale are used. This is in line with the responsible use of our prey (and shows respect to the prey). Commercial whalers like the Japanese fleet do not do such things, and given their way, would kill the whales to extinction levels - stopping only when they couldn't find any more.

Paul Watson, onboard flagship vessel Steve Irwin, says it took 18 hours to reach the damaged vessel.

He says it is now being escorted to Fremantle for repairs.

"We're with the Brigitte Bardot right now and we're about 1,200 miles from Fremantle and we're heading that way," he said.

"The Brigitte Bardot is going about seven-and-a-half knots so we're just escorting it and so far everything's going pretty good."

...


It is expected to take about five days to escort the distressed ship back to Fremantle.

www.abc.net.au...

They made it to the ship and the crew is safe.

The Sea Shepard's are hero's as far as I am concerned. They truly risk their lives and their freedom defend a species from being hunted to extinction. The Japanese have a long track record of over fishing areas and poaching. Both here in the States and abroad. I know a game warden in Socal that spends a good portion of his time ticketing Japanese fishermen and abalone poachers.

Japan is IMHO an immoral and spiritually corrupt nation. Should we sit back and look at their history?

WW2 ring a bell? Babies on bayonets, the torture and incredible mistreatment of anyone that disagreed with them.
Fukushima ring a bell? Not telling the truth to their own population, the world, or for that matter themselves

These people will eat anything that moves, preferably eating it alive and still wiggling. It seems even more fun to them if their food screams as they have a delicacy that actually screams.....

They invented Ninja's and Samurai's. Neither of which went around doing good deeds yet they are idolized by the Japanese.

Sexually they are are some of the weirdest people on the planet........


I could go on and on, however my point is that the Sea Shepards are doing the right thing. I wish they had more money and enough resources to shut down the Japanese fleet for good. I can tell you this much, The Sea Shepards have shown tremendous restraint. I would not be so nice given the opportunity......

Originally posted by Wotan
Maritime Law also says that you should not intentionally ram another ship - The Sea Shepherd crews are nothing but Pirates IMHO and should be hung, drawn and quartered like all captured Pirates should be.

All those stars yet an fail

You must remember in LAW the wording is all very important

I will ummm, Make bold those bits that will after you read the following, prove my last statement at the end of this post...

Definition of acts of piracy

The Law defines the following acts committed for private ends on the high seas or territorial sea as well as internal waters of Japan by the crew or the passengers of a ship (except for warships and other
government ships) as “acts of piracy”:

(a) seizing another ship in navigation or taking control of the
operation of another ship by rendering persons irresistible by
assault, intimidation or any other means;
(b) robbing property on board another ship in navigation or obtaining
or causing others to obtain an unlawful profit by rendering persons
irresistible by assault, intimidation or any other means;
(c) kidnapping a person on board another ship in navigation for the
purpose of taking the person hostage to demand a third person to
deliver any property or to take any other unobligated action or to
waive that person’s right;
(d) demanding a third person to deliver any property or to take any
other unobligated action or to waive that person’s right by taking a
person, on board a robbed ship or a ship whose control is taken or
kidnapped on board another ship in navigation, hostage;
(e) breaking into or damaging another ship in navigation for the
purpose of committing the acts of piracy as referred to in
subparagphs (a), (b), (c) and (d) above;
(f) operating a ship and approaching in close proximity of,
beleaguering or obstructing the passage of another ship for the
purpose of committing the acts of piracy as referred to in
subparagphs (a), (b), (c) and (d) above;
(g) preparing weapons and operating a ship for the purpose of
committing the acts of piracy as referred to in subparagphs (a),
(b), (c) and (d) above.

PDF Current International Maritime Law & Treaties Concerning Piracy in Japan

As the above clearly shows the Sea Shepard has never been a "Pirate" ship, or any of its crew, or affiliated ships, are legally able to be defined as "Pirates".

They have never committed an act of Piracy whilst doing what they do in Japanese Waters.

However your post in fact breaks an law, whilst you excuse others of doing it who are not, and also calling for them to be killed, murdered even...

Anyhow you committed "Slander" and "Defamation" on the crew of this ship, of the most aggressive and untrue kind, whilst they are at risk, could die and their friends and family are worried about them.

As we all do, if I knew someone on there, I would search for news and might even read your incorrect negative and ramblings in such a time.

I am sure that would be nice, and in the spirit of denying ignorance chew on what you said in light of the above true legal situation is, and then consider the following:

Typically, the elements of a cause of action for defamation include:

A false and defamatory statement concerning another;

The unprivileged publication of the statement to a third party (that is, somebody other than the person defamed by the statement);

If the defamatory matter is of public concern, fault amounting at least to negligence on the part of the publisher; and

Damage to the plaintiff.

ExpertLaw.com

Not a Fail on any of the above.

Maybe as they are being strung up hung drawn and quartered, and the crowds are baying as such they should sue you for the above?

An old saying in my parts as such, make sure the kettle is well polished before it calls the pot black.

Kind Regards,

Elf

What kind of BS law allows the japan whaling fleet to kill hundreds of whales in the name of research?

You kill maybe a dozen or so, do "the research" and call it a day. The japanesse are killing hundreds(if not thousands) each year and everyone is looking the other way. I thought the southern ocean was a whale sanctuary.

The japanesse government is a disgrace. Just look how poorley they handled the earthquake and nuclear radiation issue that is threatning to kill millions. The UN and international courts are a total joke as well focusing only on third world dictators and other minor issues. The australian and new zeland governments are a joke!

Those vessels should have been boarded and seized by the coast guard. The whalers should be thrown in prison for many years. Since so few people really care about protecting the enviroment, I would buy a few submarines and sink those ships. Seriously I would!!!

The world is pathetic.

Originally posted by Wotan

Originally posted by Grimpachi
Ever since the invention of kerosene there has been no need to hunt whales, that being said the crew does push the limits. Although I may not approve completely of their tactics I do admire them for putting their money where their mouth is. They do get results and I'm sure that they sleep fine at night. Even if you don't agree with them you should admire them for their tenacity. I hope they come away from this safe and maybe one day there will not be a need for such extremists. Today what they're doing they must believe in it. Where most people talk about changing the world they are actually trying to change the world. For that alone they have my respect.

Though I agree with you that whales are not needed for their oil, whaleing nations such as Iceland, Norway and Japan and also the US hunt them for their meat.

I left out places like Norway and Iceland or the Eskimos that is the exception to the rule for me. Japan is a civilized nation that to me shouldn't be hunting whales. I assume when you say the US you're talking about Eskimo tribes. I admit I am not very knowledgeable on the subject. I watched a documentary on the Eskimos and hunting whales is a part of survival and tradition for them but they are not out there with commercial fishing vessels and high-tech equipment with Canon type spears. When Japan is going simply is not acceptable to me.

I like whales more than I like people. I guess I can say that about a lot of creatures.

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I believe in this case it wasn't anything that they did wrong, sorry. Rogue waves can crop up anytime anywhere on the ocean and are nothing to play with. Very experienced captains have had their ships damaged and sunk due to these waves.So there was nothing they could have done different to have prevented this from happening.

Unlike the japan ninjas, americans follow the rules when it comes to crabbing.

Great video. Seen it about ten times!