Friends who have lost faith, please, don't be blind. Look.

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Right, I am not saying these religions are without flaw. I am not one who thinks a "structured" religion is necessary to have a relationship with God. The problem with religion throughout history was that it went from being a faith based practice with good intent to a crutch used by various people for political and financial gain.

reply to post by boymonkey74


I can understand the anti-religion thing entirely. I have to admit I am glad you are not anti-God.
You made me smile.

Originally posted by vogon42
I'm just curious as to why there seem to be several dozen faiths/churches, all based on the very same book?

Catholics see this, Baptists see that, Lutherans see yet something else....

Because the principles of Christianity are not in dispute. The methodology is different from one congregation to another. Most churches differ on type of baptism and type of worship music.

Originally posted by vogon42

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by boymonkey74
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Also love the Christians view that he will enjoy us burning because we don't believe......how very Christian of you :/

None of us believe that, you're just trolling.

I wouldn't be so quick to blow it off as trolling. There are a group of christians here in the US that protest at solders funerals, and are happy the soldier has died. I have no proof of what boymonkey74 states above, but I'm not going to say he is trolling.

I believe this relates right back to the question I just asked.....why so many different groups of christians all based on the same book?

Why did you edit out half the post I responded to? That makes it appear as if I replied to something that I didn't.

Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Nope not trolling, this is my view of Christians lately, In all walks of my life I have some Christian person trying to convert me by 1) constantly preaching and quoting scripture 2) When that doesn't work they turn to threats, threat with Hell.
No other group of Religious people knock on my door at 9am on a sunday morning trying to throw stuff down my throat about Jesus, it's only the Christians.
How many threads do you see posted by Jews/Muslims etc made on this site which either denounce any other type of religion or try to prove that God is real?.....none it's the Christians who make the threads trying to convert us Godless people.
So again not trolling just saying it how I see it.
Faith is better than no faith at all, I say BS ( I have faith but not in God I have faith in humanity)

"this is MY view of Christianity lately."

Yes, that is entirely your view and your view alone. Christians do not teach that we get a seat next to Jesus if we convert 10 Godless people. That's absurd and a deception. You've never heard a Christian claim that, that's just a prejudicial arbitrary conjecture, that's just an attempt at trolling.

Originally posted by vogon42

Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Faith is better than no faith at all, I say BS ( I have faith but not in God I have faith in humanity)

I agree, complete BS. However I have found when confronted with a logical question this noTrTypical simply avoids the answer.

He/She has yet to respond to my question from this thread....

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Have to say, I believe this individual is more into ranting, rather than reading and discussing.

Oh sweeeeeeeeeeet, usually personal attacks don't get played this early in a thread. At least I don't have to wade through several pages of fluff to get to them. So what if I failed to respond to a certain post you made? Did you consider that perhaps I have numerous posts on numerous threads and I missed it? Does it matter about the numerous posts of your's I did in fact address? Does that matter?

9 times out of 10 if I refuse to address a post it's usually because of a failed premise or argument or fallacy of logic. In those instances when an argument is based on a false premise, or a fallacy then an actual argument was never made to begin with, therefore there is nothing logically to address of that person's post.


EDIT: I just looked at the post you made, and I had already answered your question in that post previously in the thread. Why should I answer it yet again?

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Great post! Stay strong and keep spreading the message.

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Then why is it Christians are the only Religious folk who try to ram it down my throat then?
It isn't just my view I hear all the time that the Jesus freaks are about from mates and to not answer the door to them.
It's like they have heard that Islam is the biggest growing Religion and they are trying to make up the numbers.

Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Then why is it Christians are the only Religious folk who try to ram it down my throat then?
It isn't just my view I hear all the time that the Jesus freaks are about from mates and to not answer the door to them.
It's like they have heard that Islam is the biggest growing Religion and they are trying to make up the numbers.

I can't speak for other Christians. When someone tells me "no thanks" I don't pester them. But speaking for myself, I try to unsurp the works of the enemy, which mainly is fear and unbelief. I don't want any of my fellow humans to perish. I witness and apologize because I love my fellow man. So in that context, someone who doesn't sincerely try and get you to repent really doesn't love you that much at all.

Think of this illustration. A person is addicted to coc aine. One friend begs and pleads with that person to get help and to stop, even when that person cusses them out and resists any effort by the friend to help them they still refuse to sit back and allow their friend to die without doing all they can do to intervene. And the other "friend" who after hearing that their buddy doesn't want to hear anything about addiction and coc aine, says "Okay, fair enough, I'll never bring it up again."

Which friend really loved the addict?

reply to post by jdmmade

It is actually society that has brainwashed people like YOU with religion. This is why people are more likely to believe in different religions depending on where they are born.

I myself prefer to think for myself instead of blindly believing, so losing faith is a good thing imo.
At least we non believers arent crippled by fears of hell.

Originally posted by juleol
reply to post by jdmmade

 

It is actually society that has brainwashed people like YOU with religion. This is why people are more likely to believe in different religions depending on where they are born.

I myself prefer to think for myself instead of blindly believing, so losing faith is a good thing imo.
At least we non believers arent crippled by fears of hell.

edit on 27-12-2011 by juleol because: (no reason given)

I believe that any Christian that has had a true conversion has absolutely no crippling fear of hell as well.

Originally posted by micmerci

Originally posted by juleol
reply to post by jdmmade

 

It is actually society that has brainwashed people like YOU with religion. This is why people are more likely to believe in different religions depending on where they are born.

I myself prefer to think for myself instead of blindly believing, so losing faith is a good thing imo.
At least we non believers arent crippled by fears of hell.

I believe that any Christian that has had a true conversion has absolutely no crippling fear of hell as well.

lol, right. I wanted to comment on that but I decided to let it be.

Oh, just shut up, stupid christians! Christianity is nothing but a silly fairy tale. There is no god, and there is no after life. Don't be so egocentric to belive you will live in eternity either in hell or heaven.
When you die there is only the nothingness: the "emptiness under the moon", to quote the seventh seal.
It pisses me of how people can be so stupid to belive any of that stuff. Start living in the real world!
The truth is that nothing matters, you are no more meningful than a ant or a piece of rock.

Originally posted by Sorgmodig
Oh, just shut up, stupid christians! Christianity is nothing but a silly fairy tale. There is no god, and there is no after life. Don't be so egocentric to belive you will live in eternity either in hell or heaven.
When you die there is only the nothingness: the "emptiness under the moon", to quote the seventh seal.
It pisses me of how people can be so stupid to belive any of that stuff. Start living in the real world!
The truth is that nothing matters, you are no more meningful than a ant or a piece of rock.

Got to admit that is a funny post
But I disagree with you, it is everyones right to post what they want on here and even Iam not Religious at all I do enjoy talking to the "stupid Christians" it's like having an argument with my ex-wife, we can never change their minds because they are so brainwashed.
(Oh and Iam much more than an ant)

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The truth is that nothing matters, you are no more meningful than a ant or a piece of rock.

So do you ever go home and kiss the wife and kids?

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by Sorgmodig

 

The truth is that nothing matters, you are no more meningful than a ant or a piece of rock.

So do you ever go home and kiss the wife and kids?

I go home, rape my wife and beat up my kids; that's what we atheists do, you know?

reply to post by OrNaM3nT


I would have to say that I share a similar point of view as you my friend. I really think organized religion is there to manipulate people into doing so many horrible things, however I do think that some Supreme Being does exist that above to what humans exist, like a force, or power that governs the entire universe. The mind is very sensitive to manipulation and believing things and it is easy to fall into a trap. The problem relies in the fact that there are so many religions in the world and each one could be right or wrong, and the crazy part is that people kill over this. That is what is the worst.

Originally posted by Sorgmodig

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by Sorgmodig

 

The truth is that nothing matters, you are no more meningful than a ant or a piece of rock.

So do you ever go home and kiss the wife and kids?

I go home, rape my wife and beat up my kids; that's what we atheists do, you know?

Wow, someone gave you a star for that logic fail? Wow..

Here is the point:

If you seriously believe that we are no more meaningful than an ant or a rock, yet on the other hand kiss your wife and kids when you go home, that shows you have an irrational conflict within your worldview. Your behavior would betray or not be consistent with your stated belief.

A rational person on one hand cannot claim we are the result of random chemical mistakes, then go home and kiss their loved ones as if they carry more value than random chemical mistakes. It's NOT a mark of rational thought for a person to assert one thing, but then live their life contrary to it. It's irrational because one belief is at work when you articulate your beliefs, but a conflicting belief is on display when that person behaves in a manner in opposite with their previously stated beliefs.

So, please tell all of us how on Earth a rational minded person can presuppose human dignity by going to a funeral for a loved one or by kissing their wife and kids, even though that same person previously argued that man is, in principle, no different than any other product of evolution such as a horse or a dog. This same person will sit here and argue without ceasing that we are merely nothing more than a complex of bio-chemical factors (accidents) controlled only by the laws of Physics - and then kiss his wife and kids when he comes home, as if they share love with one another. He'll suggest that the things which happen in the universe happen randomly - by "chance" - but then turn around and search for regularities, law-like explainations for events, and uniformity or predictability in the things studied by the sciences.


So again let me ask, are you really going to claim we are 'meaningless just like an ant or a piece of rock?'

reply to post by NOTurTypical

So according to you a person who does not believe in God or believe's that we are a chance occurance can't love their kid's?
BS Love was here before your man made God and I Love just as much as you do.
Also yes we are as important as a Dog or a Horse,(But more important than a rock) they took the same amount of time to evolve into what they are...Oh I forgot you don't believe in evolution do you?

Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

So according to you a person who does not believe in God or believe's that we are a chance occurance can't love their kid's?

No, I didn't say that. Love exists. I said it was irrational for someone to believe we are no different than animals, yet will go to a friend's funeral or kiss their wife and kids. They will argue on one hand that we are just random bio-chemical mistakes, then kiss the wife and kids as if they have value as a person.

Also yes we are as important as a Dog or a Horse,(But more important than a rock) they took the same amount of time to evolve into what they are...Oh I forgot you don't believe in evolution do you?

Depends what kind of Evolution you're speaking of. Changes in a species over time, yes, molecules to man "evolution", no.