Stop teaching about the holocaust so that children see Germany in a better light, says Lord Baker

British schools should no longer teach children about the Nazis because it makes them think less favourably of modern Germany, the architect of the National Curriculum has claimed.

Lord Baker of Dorking, who spent three years as Margaret Thatcher’s education secretary, said that he would ban the topic and concentrate on British history instead.

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Lord Baker was the man that brought down Margaret Thatcher and is a highly respected politician in the UK. The primary reason Lord Baker suggests that the UK abandon Holocaust education is in order to concentrate on the history of Britian. He suggests that the Holocaust education demonises the German people and is a subject easily taught as one short item rather than the present WW2 Holocaust centred curriculum.

In the book The Second Generation, Lisa Katz writes, "According to studies, the long-term effects of the Holocaust on the children of survivors suggest a "psychological profile." Their parents’ suffering may have affected their upbringing, personal relationships and perspective on life. Eva Fogelman, a psychologist who treats Holocaust survivors and their children, suggests a second generation 'complex' characterized by processes that affect identity, self-esteem, interpersonal interactions and worldview."

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Based on Lisa Katz's documentation, the exposure of young people at an impressionable age to the horrors of the Holocaust transmited post traumatic stress disorder to the children of concentration camp survivor. No doubt the horrors of the Holocaust outrages the psychology of children and they are damaged by it.

The psychological damage imparted to British children in the teaching of the Holocaust is not as great as those of the children of survivors. The question is, why should we expose our young in Britian to the tragedy of foriegners by foriegners?

The Holocaust education has not stopped wars, there have been several genocides since WW2 and many indigenous peoples such as the Palestinians have been ethnically cleansed off their land. Would it not be better to educate our children about the universality of human suffering, ethics and morality, independent thought and an awareness of injustice?

Yeah British history is so much better.

Face it, everyone has dirty laundry.

Yeah, let's rewrite history and say Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot were nice guys, right up there with Hitler.

Originally posted by Chadwickus
Yeah British history is so much better.

Face it, everyone has dirty laundry.

Actually only some have dirty laundry and British is pretty violent in places but it is British and for British people. Why should we allow young Brits to have a bad idea about Germany or develop PTSD from Holocaust education?

It is better to teach young people ethics and morality, the universality of human suffering and an awareness of injustice.

Originally posted by Nite_wing
Yeah, let's rewrite history and say Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot were nice guys, right up there with Hitler.

Why?

And why are your options above the alternative to Holocaust training? I think lying to kids and telling them that "Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot were nice guys, right up there with Hitler" is very destructive.

What holocaust?

woops.

I don't think it should be stopped, but maybe placed later on in age.

I know back in 3rd grade we learned about Germany and the Holocaust, I had a negative feeling about the Nazi's.

It wasn't till I was stationed there that I opened my eyes. (And was kind of surprised to find out that they don't teach about WWII and the Nazi's until university, although in retrospect, I wouldn't want to admit that past either)

Stop teaching it so people will forget the history. Makes the next one easier to implement.

the link in the op went no where.

link to article

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You must not understand sarcasm.

It would be better if they taught history

Truth... Stranger than fiction P2 of 12

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Thanks. How did you make the link? I copied from the address bars and pasted on the link button. Is that how it is done?

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no problem

there is 2 parts to a link.
first the title, then the address.

look at skinhead lit that really started surfacing a couple of decades ago. the literature explains that jews run everything and preaches white supremacy. it contains some truth though, about the fact that hitler was part jewish and there was an internal conspracy about who the jews really were but never stopped focusing on the control and the reasons why you should be mad that your ow race is not more upheld.

now anytime you bring up that particular jewish conspiracy... of those who clamied to be jews but were not and mislead so many
to gain control of israel.... you sound like one of them neo nazis and piss all races off in the meantime. it's considered criminal behavior to spread such literature.

this is elite propaganda.

we should be able to talk about the fact that a select group of people calling themselves jews were not jews and were just trying to gain very important control... not to come down on the whole race of jews but talk about the actual conspiracy.

they practically made it illegal to talk about their dirty past by combining it with racial egotism and passing it out to young idiots on the street.

question anything that hushes you up from the truth.

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I'm sure the royals are all for it

Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger
I'm sure the royals are all for it

I think they don't want children understanding anything about Nazi Germany.

Those behind Nazi Germany have deliberately waited until the generation that experienced it have died off or are old enough to be accused of dementia, before trying the exact same tactics again.

They don't want the kids putting 2 and 2 together...

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The royals are German and their attitudes will remain the same irrespective of what school children in the UK are taught.

Since the Holocaust happened, there have been several holocausts from Rwanda to Cambodia. Holocaust education does nothing but truamatise children and it does not prevent genocide.

Originally posted by Helixer
reply to post by DerepentLEstranger

 

The royals are German and their attitudes will remain the same irrespective of what school children in the UK are taught.

Since the Holocaust happened, there have been several holocausts from Rwanda to Cambodia. Holocaust education does nothing but truamatise children and it does not prevent genocide.

edit on 25-12-2011 by Helixer because: sp

Well said. Besides the holocaust happened almost 70 years ago it's time to get over it and move on.