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Originally posted by MemoryShock
Originally posted by seabag
Oh yeah??
How many self-proclaimed “occupiers” hold public office? Pelosi cries every day about how the Tea Party is messing things up in Washington! What impact has OWS made?
That is your marker point for success? A movement that obfuscates the political environment even more than it already was? Please...the Tea Party is nothing more than an extension of the Republican Party and does nothing to address the issue of corporate manipulations...
Be skeptical as you will...either the Occupy movement will continue or it won't...but we have already made an impact and there is nothing to suggest that it won't continue despite everything I have read here...
link
After five national bus tours and several regional tours that hosted over 300 rallies, the Tea Party Express has become nationally recognized for making a difference in critical elections. There is now a platform where established and aspiring politicians alike could present their conservative qualifications in front of Tea Party members who were poised for action.
In 2010, the tea party movement’s power was felt as incumbent Democrats and Republicans alike were replaced with Tea Party endorsed conservatives. The Tea Party Express played a critical role in the unprecedented midterm electoral victories and key Special elections, devoting millions of dollars and innovative campaign tactics to bring victory to conservative candidates. Over 200 Tea Party Express endorsed candidates went on to win their election and now have become tireless advocates of our six core principles in Washington DC.
With conservatives in control of the House and poised to take over the Senate in 2012, the Tea Party Express has targeted President Barack Obama for defeat. In September 2011, after completing the coast-to-coast Reclaiming America – Presidential Bus Tour, the Tea Party Express partnered with CNN for the historic Tea Party Express Republican Presidential Debate. The Tea Party Express was joined by hundreds of independent Tea Party groups representing every state in the union – and together challenged the top eight candidates to prove why they deserve the support of the movement.
The Tea Party Express has proven to be a deciding factor in sending conservatives to the House and the Senate.
Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
I really don't see excuses. I don't see bending over backwards. I do see uninformed attacks on Occupy protesters by members here even when explanations are given.
Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by Kali74
But here is the Difference.
You wont find too many ATS Tea Party supporters bending over backwards in a near Superhuman contortionist maneuver in an attempt to Justify, Deny and or make excuses for their actions or activities like you do by ATS OWS supporters for all the Communists and others etc etc etc who show up at OWS protests.
Now do you?
1. Put the question of economic inequality in the center of national discourse for the first time since the 1960’s, even though such inequality has been growing dramatically for the last 20 years. The vocabulary the movement has developed to describe this inequality, “the 1 % and the 99%,” have become a permanent part of our political discourse and has focused great attention on how the maldistribution of wealth has undermined democracy and eroded the living standards of the great majority of Americans.
2. Called attention to the stifling impact of student loan debt on young college, professional and trade school graduates who face the double whammy of a stagnant job market and crippling debt. The attention given to this issue inspired President Obama to marginally ease the loan burden of current recipients. In the future, it might even prompt a radical reconfiguration of the debt or a major program of loan forgiveness.
3. Created political pressures that prompted the postponement of a decision by President Obama to begin construction of the controversial Keystone XL natural gas pipeline.
4. Forced New York Governor Cuomo, whose promise not to renew the state’s millionaires' tax drew national attention, to negotiate with state legislators a tax increase in the higher brackets to go into effect next year, which will prevent 2 billion dollars in anticipated budget cuts.
5. Inspired a wide variety of actions to prevent foreclosures and evictions and to bring relief to beleaguered home owners and tenants, including preventing the eviction of a 103 year old woman in Atlanta, forcing a Harlem landlord to restore heat to tenants, and occupying a foreclosed house in the East New York Section of Brooklyn.
6. Put the undemocratic character of many education reform policies, particularly school closings, under much greater scrutiny, creating pressures on policy makers that will make these closings much more difficult to implement without more consultation and input from parents, students, teachers and community members.
7. Given the labor movement a new vocabulary to challenge attacks on collective bargaining and union recognition, providing added ammunition to the successful campaign to defeat anti-collective bargaining bills in the states of Ohio and New Hampshire.
8. Focused attention on the issue of police brutality and the militarization of urban police forces in ways that reinforces longstanding complaints of police misconduct and abuse in Black and Latino communities.
9. Helped create a political climate which persuaded the Philadelphia District Attorney to remove the death sentence from human rights activist and journalist Mumia Abu Jamal.
10. Sparked protests against tuition increases at the nation's public universities, especially in the California public colleges and the City University of New York (CUNY).
11. Closed down several West Coast ports in support of striking port workers.
Originally posted by detachedindividual
This place truly astounds me sometimes.
And we wonder why ATS is mocked? With people who on the one hand scram about their right to believe what they want to believe, while calling for the oppression of people who believe in differing political systems to them.
Hypocrites.
Originally posted by SLAYER69
Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
I really don't see excuses. I don't see bending over backwards. I do see uninformed attacks on Occupy protesters by members here even when explanations are given.
First off
Many on the fence were simply asking from those who supported the Movement to clarify a few things. Which they failed to do miserably. If the OWS message is out then why doesnt the vast majority of Americans [not to mention the rest of the 7 Billion people on the planet] know clearly what their message is?
They've had not days or weeks but months now to get a clear message out.
Secondly
I've made my POV clear HERE.
In it I asked others to provide us with their opinions and thoughts.
Originally posted by SLAYER69
Originally posted by detachedindividual
This place truly astounds me sometimes.
And we wonder why ATS is mocked? With people who on the one hand scram about their right to believe what they want to believe, while calling for the oppression of people who believe in differing political systems to them.
Well maybe if you opened your mind more and your mouth less you might actually learn a thing or two.
Just a thought.
Hypocrites.
Back at you
Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
I see people responding explaining that that is not the majority, but rather than being met with fairness they are met with attacks that they are liars.
Originally posted by detachedindividual
So they camp on Wall St, walk around with placards stating the details of the economic divide, demand that corporations be kept out of government, repeatedly state on air for every broadcaster willing to discuss the truth that they are protesting for change in the political system as it refers to corporate interests... and you STILL don't understand what the problem is?
I'm not buying it. No population is seriously that braindead. I've had my doubts about Americans before, but even I would not begin to suggest that the masses are really that stupid.
Personally, I think this is an excuse often put out by people who don't want to accept what they are protesting about. They're the same people who will ignore the statistical facts and repeat the tired "commie" line and "dirty hippy" insult to cover up for the fact that they have no real argument.
People can suggest it's over all they like. But there will be a whole lot of us standing on the side lines watching when the economy truly tanks and you're all in the same boat, protesting your asses off to save your child's education or your right to eat three meals a day.
Originally posted by detachedindividual
With people who on the one hand scram about their right to believe what they want to believe, while calling for the oppression of people who believe in differing political systems to them.
Originally posted by detachedindividual
People can suggest it's over all they like. But there will be a whole lot of us standing on the side lines watching when the economy truly tanks and you're all in the same boat, protesting your asses off to save your child's education or your right to eat three meals a day.
Originally posted by detachedindividual
I'll say what I want, when I want. I don't need the permission of someone like you to give my opinion, thanks.
And you haven't responded. Do you disagree that you are attacking others for having a political belief that you don't agree with? Do none of those protesters have the right to believe in communism just as you have the right to believe in capitalism?