Victoria’s Secret Revealed in Child Picking Burkina Faso Cotton

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


Produce probably made with slave labor, child slave labor.

Anything that doesn't support the ICB domination you scream socialism, communism, and now apparently OWS.

So, do you think slavery is alright?

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

Produce probably made with slave labor, child slave labor.

Anything that doesn't support the ICB domination you scream socialism, communism, and now apparently OWS.

So, do you think slavery is alright?

Yah, but funny that even on that site they are trying to act like they are not left leaning. Apparently other people see through the veneer too.

One continuing criticism of Project Censored is that we are a left leaning organization. Which is an interesting claim in that over 200 faculty and students from multiple disciplines and political orientations work with Project Censored each year. Over 1,500 students have been trained in media research techniques since we began in 1976, and it would be hard to find a more mainstream, mostly Californian college student body.

www.projectcensored.org...

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


The founding fathers of the U.S. were left leaning as well. Exactly what is wrong with left leaning?

So are you answering in the affirmative, you are all for slave labor? Cause that is the message I am getting.

Originally posted by poet1b
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The founding fathers of the U.S. were left leaning as well. Exactly what is wrong with left leaning?

So are you answering in the affirmative, you are all for slave labor? Cause that is the message I am getting.

No, i didn't say that. I'm just observing the leftist approach which is always to find a way to demonize Capitalism. The Founding Fathers were not "left leaning". They were Liberty leaning.
Your Project Censored site apparently gave Amy Goodman an award. I am looking to see if I can find Soros carbon prints on it. But considering it is so Occupyish, that was the tip off to me.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


Well I don't think it's really a left or right issue. It's a humanity issue and the fact is, that slavery or near slavery exists on a large scale in this world. I don't think raising awareness or rejecting slave labor makes a person or site left leaning. This is reality, what are we going to do about it?

Perhaps the real story here is the point that this cotton is supposed to be part of the "fair trade" "organic cotton" game.

As Victoria’s Secret’s partner, Guebre’s organization, the National Federation of Burkina Cotton Producers, is responsible for running all aspects of the organic and fair-trade program across Burkina Faso. Known by its French initials, the UNPCB in 2008 co-sponsored a study suggesting hundreds, if not thousands, of children like Clarisse could be vulnerable to exploitation on organic and fair-trade farms. The study was commissioned by the growers and Helvetas. Victoria’s Secret says it never saw the report.

www.bloomberg.com...

This was the part not highlighted in the OP

I guess even the Fair Trade people get it wrong sometimes

Originally posted by Kali74
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Well I don't think it's really a left or right issue. It's a humanity issue and the fact is, that slavery or near slavery exists on a large scale in this world. I don't think raising awareness or rejecting slave labor makes a person or site left leaning. This is reality, what are we going to do about it?

I just realized you already posted about fair trade. Kudos to you.

Originally posted by Domo1

Clarisse Kambire’s nightmare rarely changes. It’s daytime. In a field of cotton plants that burst with purple and white flowers, a man in rags towers over her, a stick raised above his head. Then a voice booms, jerking Clarisse from her slumber and making her heart leap. “Get up!” The man ordering her awake is the same one who haunts the 13-year-old girl’s sleep: Victorien Kamboule, the farmer she labors for in a West African cotton field. Before sunrise on a November morning she rises from the faded plastic mat that serves as her mattress, barely thicker than the cover of a glossy magazine, opens the metal door of her mud hut and sets her almond-shaped eyes on the first day of this season’s harvest. (Follow her journey in videos, photos and more here.)

I guess pretty much ever clothing manufacturer is now relying on child labor to produce the product. Sad. I am *ahem* a big fan of Victoria's Secret, or I guess I was. Just wanted to share the news. I'm sure people will be chiming in with '13 is old enough to work' but I disagree. It's sad and that little girl should only e worried about homework.

Link

If youre living in a mud hut you got bigger problems than worrying about school. One of them is trying to survive, the other one is wondering when youre getting your next meal.

Its cheaper having slave labor in 3rd world countries (or 4th world for that matter) paying somoene 2 pennies a day to do what american factory workers used to do for 12 bucks an hour.

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And those low wages are the result of people living in countries where they have no rights, and any effort to obtain rights if met with violence.

Our trade treaties should demand workers rights or face tariffs or sanctions. We all lose when slavery is once again allowed to raise its ugly head.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


It is not capitalism when portions of a nations population is denied property rights.

Capitalism is a function of market economies. Nobody is trying to eliminate the world market, they are standing up against those countries which refuse to allow market economies to function. Slaves do not get to participate in a market economy.

Those of us speaking out against slavery are standing up for the Market system. People like you who want to deny others the right to bargain in a market system are actually against the market system.

Originally posted by poet1b
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And those low wages are the result of people living in countries where they have no rights, and any effort to obtain rights if met with violence.

Our trade treaties should demand workers rights or face tariffs or sanctions. We all lose when slavery is once again allowed to raise its ugly head.

In a perfect world they would, unfortunately we do not live in a perfect world. No man was meant to rule over another man. It's ridiculous for someone to think that they have the right to rule over another man who bleeds red same as they do. Just because a man wears a crown on his head doesn't mean a thing, he can die as easy as you or me.

Originally posted by poet1b
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It is not capitalism when portions of a nations population is denied property rights.

Capitalism is a function of market economies. Nobody is trying to eliminate the world market, they are standing up against those countries which refuse to allow market economies to function. Slaves do not get to participate in a market economy.

Those of us speaking out against slavery are standing up for the Market system. People like you who want to deny others the right to bargain in a market system are actually against the market system.

Who said anything about denying bargaining rights? I just get tired of the same old liberal dogoodism of attacking Capitalism using human rights as an issue. It's just ironic that the very people who are supposedly involved in making sure everything is "fair" and "socially responsible" failed in their certification process, and Victoria's Secret now has to endure a black smudge on it's name while do-gooders attack Capitalism as the source of evil.

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Ashamed to say that just tonight I bought some items from Victoria's Secret. Looks like I won't be taking them out of the bag. They're going back tomorrow and I won't hesitate to tell them why.

I literally haven't shopped for anything besides food and toiletries in like ... gosh, months. And when I do, it's *usually* second hand/local.

I'll let this be a not so subtle reminder to myself to shop locally, ethically, and frugally.

Thanks for keeping me in check OP, albeit unintentionally.

reply to post by CREAM


You do realize that an extreme minority actually owned slaves right? It's not like the entire United States had slaves and most Americans during that time hired in free men or did the work themselves. So this whole, "slavery funded capitalism" rhetoric is bull right?

Do your homework next time.

As for the OP's story, it truly is heartbreaking. Just watched a video about Wal-Mart the other day and Chinese laborers. Now this... And people wonder why I'm such a hateful person towards our "modern" society...

While I certainly don't support child or slave labor and I am NOT defending companies who use it, I have to ask -- where is their Government or law that prevents these things from happening? -- No company would be allowed to come into a country where such things are forbidden. You won't find child labor in Germany, Switzerland, Hungary, or a number of nations around the world. If people want change, they have to make that change happen. Nobody is going to make the change happen for them, and that's quite clear at this point. Once upon a time the U.S. had child and slave labor, but when people demanded change, change came. It took years and years for that to happen, but eventually it came to pass.

People in these poor countries will have to pick themselves up and demand better living and working conditions. It's not an easy road to take by any means, but it has to be taken regardless. If they continue to allow themselves to be victimized, you'll see a thousand more stories like this in the years to come. What would their lives be like if these companies didn't set up shop in their vicinity? Would the be better off or worse off? Do they have the ability to create better jobs for themselves? I know this is a very complicated subject and not as clear cut as I make it out to be, but these are questions that need to be asked. Should we blame the companies who employ these children, or should we blame the Governments/people/cultures who allow these conditions to exist?

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by poet1b
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It is not capitalism when portions of a nations population is denied property rights.

Capitalism is a function of market economies. Nobody is trying to eliminate the world market, they are standing up against those countries which refuse to allow market economies to function. Slaves do not get to participate in a market economy.

Those of us speaking out against slavery are standing up for the Market system. People like you who want to deny others the right to bargain in a market system are actually against the market system.

Who said anything about denying bargaining rights? I just get tired of the same old liberal dogoodism of attacking Capitalism using human rights as an issue. It's just ironic that the very people who are supposedly involved in making sure everything is "fair" and "socially responsible" failed in their certification process, and Victoria's Secret now has to endure a black smudge on it's name while do-gooders attack Capitalism as the source of evil.

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It seems like you are making this into something it isn't. People aren't attacking capitalism in this thread...they are attacking slavery.

13 IS old enough, now the work and the conditions may not be very good, and that can be debated. (From what I read in the snippet, the conditions aren't very good.)

After all, even my 7 year old does chores. This is work, albeit he isn't getting paid to load the dishes or keep the house straightened up. He does like feeding and watering our chickens though.

At 13 years old Clarisse should be a giggling teenager. She should be loved by a family and cared for and attending school.

Clarisse is one of many Children in this world who are a victim from the time she is born and sadly for her life. I hope she gets a break and can sieze an opportunity that offers her a proper chance to live.

I wonder what the future holds for Clarisse. I know I will not ever buy from the company that supports this type of industry. As for the man who beats her - what type of man does that - to a Child - to anyone?

This story is heart breaking and reminds me of all the wrongs in this world. What really amazes me is people can read this story and similar and not feel a thing - not care - not stop to think - and sadly stay fast asleep. It is stories like this that should serve as a trigger to wake people from their money filled dreams.

Much Peace ...to Clarisse and the many Children around the world who deserve so much better...

Just to clarify...,

Enough said. Stick to the topic at hand.