A Pill That Stops Stress In Your Brain Before You Feel It

reply to post by imnothereru


Who said anything about "non-feeling"? We are talking about the removal of STRESS alone, not all feelings.

You guys are making a lot of grand assumptions on this one.

Ofcourse I would refuse it if it zombified you or made you more receptive to suggestion, but it doesn't say it does either of those things. If it works as advertised it will be a wonderful thing.

Hm, I tend to have mixed feelings about this. Stress is natural in some situations but the problem for most people in the modern world is that it never turns off. You wake up stressed, go to bed stressed and try to cope with legal drugs such as Caffeine and Nicotine, there are also other unhealthy behaviors used to cope such as overeating. Perhaps at least using the pill to break the cycle for a time might not be a bad thing. Stress hormones also cause inflammation in the body.

Originally posted by Ashertron
reply to post by imnothereru

 

Who said anything about "non-feeling"? We are talking about the removal of STRESS alone, not all feelings.

You guys are making a lot of grand assumptions on this one.

Ofcourse I would refuse it if it zombified you or made you more receptive to suggestion, but it doesn't say it does either of those things. If it works as advertised it will be a wonderful thing.

edit on 17-12-2011 by Ashertron because: (no reason given)

I think you missed the entire discussion here,The premise of these kind of drugs and what they seem to be slowly leading to and how more of these substances are being given to more people for less good reasons.

I hope that puts it into a bit more perspective.

reply to post by Rafe_


The OP has nothing wrong, discussing prescriptions is fine, but discussion of illegal drugs, such as Marijuana is not accepted, and against the Terms & Conditions.

A few posts have been removed already, that warning was a simple reminder.

There is no censorship occurring here.

i) Narcotics and illicit mind-altering substances: Due to abuse of the subject matter by some (promoting various aspects of personal use, and discussing actual personal use), no new topics on this subject are allowed in any form.

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That was me mentioning something benign a few pages back.
Move along, its unimportant and was skipped by most people regardless.
Sorry for that

Originally posted by antonia
Hm, I tend to have mixed feelings about this. Stress is natural in some situations but the problem for most people in the modern world is that it never turns off. You wake up stressed, go to bed stressed and try to cope with legal drugs such as Caffeine and Nicotine, there are also other unhealthy behaviors used to cope such as overeating. Perhaps at least using the pill to break the cycle for a time might not be a bad thing. Stress hormones also cause inflammation in the body.

True but these days people receive expensive anti-depressants just because they had a bad week and im not kidding when i say that.A 'depression' is something different altogether although the word does get used for just about any down mood anyone can have at any given time.


(Anti-depressants wich also have been proven to be hardly effective on even the worst cases and not at all lighter foms of depression,i am talking about real depression here ofcourse)

reply to post by Ashertron

Antidepressants are stress relievers the side effects from those are not good at all, they "dumb down" feelings so you dont feel so "stressed" or "depressed", so if thats not losing feelings what is?It is also said that people with mild depression or stress do not benefit from this,it doesnt really work well but you get all the side effects.
helpguide.org...

These are not grand assumptions as you put it, but medical facts.Read the side effects leaflets that come with your drugs, you will be amazed and think why am i taking this? Maybe question do i really need it? I know , when this was pointed out to me thats what i did.Or are you one of the masses that do not question what pills you are popping into your mouth prescribed by your doctor, and what they actually do to you?Antidepressants do inhibit feelings, antidepressants are used as stress relievers , it is not a "grand assumption" its medical fact, sorry to burst your bubble

Originally posted by imnothereru
Or are you one of the masses that do not question what pills you are popping into your mouth prescribed by your doctor, and what they actually do to you?Antidepressants do inhibit feelings, antidepressants are used as stress relievers , it is not a "grand assumption" its medical fact, sorry to burst your bubble

Do you yourself know the difference between an SSRI/typical anti-depressants and the drug being written about in the OPs article? They are very different types of drug, I'm not really sure why you are comparing them.

Here are some side effects from taking finasteride, the drug that also lowers stress hormone levels (by a small amount):

you might regrow your hair and stop losing what you have
you might lower your risk of prostate cancer by 30%
you won't get an inflamed prostate

Originally posted by Rafe_

Originally posted by antonia
Hm, I tend to have mixed feelings about this. Stress is natural in some situations but the problem for most people in the modern world is that it never turns off. You wake up stressed, go to bed stressed and try to cope with legal drugs such as Caffeine and Nicotine, there are also other unhealthy behaviors used to cope such as overeating. Perhaps at least using the pill to break the cycle for a time might not be a bad thing. Stress hormones also cause inflammation in the body.

True but these days people receive expensive anti-depressants just because they had a bad week and im not kidding when i say that.A 'depression' is something different altogether although the word does get used for just about any down mood anyone can have at any given time.


(Anti-depressants wich also have been proven to be hardly effective on even the worst cases and not at all lighter foms of depression,i am talking about real depression here ofcourse)

edit on 17-12-2011 by Rafe_ because: (no reason given)

We aren't talking about an anti-depressent. The drug discussed is not in the same family.

Originally posted by yampa

Originally posted by imnothereru
Or are you one of the masses that do not question what pills you are popping into your mouth prescribed by your doctor, and what they actually do to you?Antidepressants do inhibit feelings, antidepressants are used as stress relievers , it is not a "grand assumption" its medical fact, sorry to burst your bubble

Do you yourself know the difference between an SSRI/typical anti-depressants and the drug being written about in the OPs article? They are very different types of drug, I'm not really sure why you are comparing them.

Here are some side effects from taking finasteride, the drug that also lowers stress hormone levels (by a small amount):

you might regrow your hair and stop losing what you have
you might lower your risk of prostate cancer by 30%
you won't get an inflamed prostate

If you dont know why they are spoken about and compared then you missed a lot discussed here because it is very aparent.Also ,do you do PR for this particular drug? Since those beneficial 'side effects' you just posted seem straight out of the companies folder.Its basicly the potential benefits deducted from lacking stress.

Now,maybe you could post the real side-effects.

reply to post by yampa


Did, the op mention a name of a specific drug? because if he did i didnt see one.Neither is the name of "a specific drug " mentioned in the article , i suggest you read them again.Also if you are not sure why i am comparing them maybe you shouldnt be answering?I did not name any specific drugs in any of my posts, it is general discussion of ant-idepressants and stress relievers, which i hasten to add are the same general thing.Try to re-read a post before you start arguing it.Or are you a payed doctor?

Originally posted by antonia

Originally posted by Rafe_

Originally posted by antonia
Hm, I tend to have mixed feelings about this. Stress is natural in some situations but the problem for most people in the modern world is that it never turns off. You wake up stressed, go to bed stressed and try to cope with legal drugs such as Caffeine and Nicotine, there are also other unhealthy behaviors used to cope such as overeating. Perhaps at least using the pill to break the cycle for a time might not be a bad thing. Stress hormones also cause inflammation in the body.

True but these days people receive expensive anti-depressants just because they had a bad week and im not kidding when i say that.A 'depression' is something different altogether although the word does get used for just about any down mood anyone can have at any given time.


(Anti-depressants wich also have been proven to be hardly effective on even the worst cases and not at all lighter foms of depression,i am talking about real depression here ofcourse)

edit on 17-12-2011 by Rafe_ because: (no reason given)

We aren't talking about an anti-depressent. The drug discussed is not in the same family.

You are discussing a technicality of drugs being in the same 'family' the thing being discussed here is 'Mood altering' (wich they are i am sure you agree) and nowhere has a specific drug been mentioned so how u think you can argue what you did is a bit beyond me.

Originally posted by Rafe_
If you dont know why they are spoken about and compared then you missed a lot discussed here because it is very aparent.Also ,do you do PR for this particular drug? Since those beneficial 'side effects' you just posted seem straight out of the companies folder.Its basicly the potential benefits deducted from lacking stress.

Now,maybe you could post the real side-effects.

You have no idea what the mechanism of interaction of this drug is, is what you are saying here?

The drug was developed for BHP, the reduction in male pattern baldness was seen as a side effect. The proposed mechanism for the reduction in these ailments is the suppression of the androgen dihydrotestosterone. This is not the same as the mechanism proposed in the OPs paper, which affects the stress hormone tetrahydrodeoxycorticosterone. I don't know of the proposed mechanism of cancer reduction.

So no, this is not 'straight out the companies folder' because a) the drug is generic and is no longer owned by any one company b) you have four completely separate scientifically proven *benefits* of this drug, 3 of which were discovered accidentally after the fact.

Are you just 'anti-pillz' because you don't know what they do?

Originally posted by imnothereru
reply to post by yampa

 

Did, the op mention a name of a specific drug? because if he did i didnt see one.Neither is the name of "a specific drug " mentioned in the article , i suggest you read them again.Also if you are not sure why i am comparing them maybe you shouldnt be answering?I did not name any specific drugs in any of my posts, it is general discussion of ant-idepressants and stress relievers, which i hasten to add are the same general thing.Try to re-read a post before you start arguing it.Or are you a payed doctor?

Yes, he did mention it. The article that the OP is discussing is here:

www.jneurosci.org...

This is the drug:

"Interestingly, blocking neurosteroidogenesis with finasteride is sufficient to block the stress-induced elevations in corticosterone and prevent stress-induced anxiety-like behaviors in mice."

I think you are the one who needs to read the post before you dilute the OPs message about a genuinely interesting bit of new science with a bunch of generic babble, because you can't be bothered to pay proper attention to what is going on?

reply to post by Rafe_


The mechanism was discussed in the paper. It seems you just didn't read it at all. We are discussing two very different things. I think you are just kinda anti-pills for any sort of mental thing though.

Originally posted by antonia
reply to post by Rafe_

 

The mechanism was discussed in the paper. It seems you just didn't read it at all. We are discussing two very different things.I think you are just kinda anti-pills for any sort of mental thing though.

That is a very interesting remark you just made there.


This post is also a response to yampa.


Once again !

The discussion here is not about wether these types of drug are of the same family ! It is about the effects these TYPES/FORMS of drugs have and wether we should be more aware and carefull with developments like these.

You 2 might want to read the Orignal Posters message again wich i will especially for you 2 who just dont seem to get it post again.

This kind of technology can have many beneficial uses but it also has the ability to be utilized for very nefarious purposes. Imagine a world in which illuminated groups have begun the systematic enslavement of mankind, this is the exact type of drug needed to keep the plebes functional yet passive.

Stress is an important tool in our evolutionary tool box.

Now...


Would you mind stop and try derailling the discussion any further with your useless pharma lobying?