Who or what is God?

This has been one of the best discussion topics I have ever seen. The jabs from the right, the attacks from the left, the anger, hate, vitriole - it's wonderful! Humanities true nature and heart have been exposed - and that is beautiful because truth IS beautiful. Wars arise from this subject - millions, if not billions, have died over it. God is.... God isn't..... god is not..... Of one or two things I am sure - no human I have ever met or heard from has any factual clue of what they are, why they are here or how they are made to exist; and we all think we understand the standard by which we are to live by. What utter failures we are as examples of life. Our own cells have purpose, function and drive to accomplish that purpose. We still haven't figured out how to crawl out of the slime in which we loathe. You keep me human. You remind me of how lowly I am. I thank you for that.

reply to post by LesMisanthrope


Surely that too, is where reality itself lies.

Originally posted by JB1234
reply to post by steveknows

 

How can it be wrong to answer the OP when it asks a question "Who or What is God?" from the Bible that itself claims to have been authored by God himself.... as a collection of writings termed the "divine library" by some .....using many different writers or secretaries over thousands of years?

"ALL Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work" - 2 Tim. 3:16

So many gems to be found in those writings too... in particular I hope very much that one scripture catches up with some in regard to the leaches that have personally been responsible for the catasphrophic collapse in the global economy by their total disregard for others and their reckless actions based on pure selfish greed and dishonesty......... (Proverbs 20:17 "Bread [gained by] falsehood is pleasurable to a man, but afterward his mouth will be filled with gravel"

edit on 17-12-2011 by JB1234 because: Highlighting

Point out where I said it's wrong to answer the OP, The whole point is that the question asked who or what is God and the God squad is coming on and posting what they know not as a beliefe, but as a correction to what other people think. people are posting their perception of God and the God squad are telling them they're wrong so They need to be told the truth that THEY actually have no idea themselves other than what they've be told.

reply to post by steveknows


You are a fool...

seriously, after reading your argument against the other guy, I gotta say it's you who knows nothing, did you even read any of his posts, or do you just like making a moron out of yourself?

Originally posted by Sailor Sam
reply to post by WWu777

 

God does not exist.
End of story.

You have recognized your cup cannot hold all the waters contained in all the oceans on Earth, so you refuse to admit there is any water and you have shattered your cup.

I think God is the Totality, which obviously includes everything, even if there are parallel universes in a Bulk, the Totality includes them and the Bulk, too.

Now, is God an intelligence? Yes, humans are intelligent and God includes us, so just based on that, then yes (however, I think there are beings far more intelligent than we, but if you don't believe in super intelligent aliens like I do, then, O.K., just based on human intelligence, yes God is an intelligent being). Does God have passion, love, compassion, caring, sentimentality and all of those nice qualities? Yes, humans have those qualities (or are capable of them, anyway) and since God includes humans, then yes, God has those wonderous qualities.

What we call "heaven" may be another dimension of God. We know there are hell realms because just look at some places and circumstances on Earth in history and contemporary reality. That's why people use the phrase "hell on Earth." So we know (Auschwitz, for example) that there is such a thing as hell, but people who end up in these places as victims didn't necessarily do anything bad. Most of them got in there due to circumstances beyond their control.

What's the purpose of all this? That, I don't know. Maybe the whole thing is evolving. Maybe God is evolving and we are caught up in it.

Originally posted by steveknows
reply to post by JB1234

 

You blew it the moment you stated using the bible. Just the opinion of a long list of people. The bible has no idea of the true nature of God. Nor does anyone.

Nor does anyone?

How do you know this with 100% assurance? Have you interviewed every person on Earth and they have clearly demonstrated their consciousness to be below yours? Just because you do not possess something automatically changes the entire world that they too do not possess that same thing? How have you become the absolute master and consciousness limiting individual above all others on Earth?

Originally posted by tkwasny

Originally posted by steveknows
reply to post by JB1234

 

You blew it the moment you stated using the bible. Just the opinion of a long list of people. The bible has no idea of the true nature of God. Nor does anyone.

Nor does anyone?

How do you know this with 100% assurance? Have you interviewed every person on Earth and they have clearly demonstrated their consciousness to be below yours? Just because you do not possess something automatically changes the entire world that they too do not possess that same thing? How have you become the absolute master and consciousness limiting individual above all others on Earth?

Excusue me Mr I don't read posts and just blurt off. I just gave my view of what I thought God was and some Jesus freak told me I was wrong and of course you all come running together like some war horn from heaven has been blown. And what you just said is that God speaks to some and not others which goes back to religious mob believing they're Gods chosen. Thank you for validating my posts. Yawning now. Bye

Originally posted by Nobama
reply to post by steveknows

 

You are a fool...

seriously, after reading your argument against the other guy, I gotta say it's you who knows nothing, did you even read any of his posts, or do you just like making a moron out of yourself?

That's contructive. hah. Bring on the God squad. Here we go,

I'm A fool. Says a man who come from a country where 99% of the poeple incorrectly believe that Henry Ford invented the car. I'd take what you say with a pintch of salt.

reply to post by steveknows

Point out where I said it's wrong to answer the OP, The whole point is that the question asked who or what is God and the God squad is coming on and posting what they know not as a beliefe, but as a correction to what other people think. people are posting their perception of God and the God squad are telling them they're wrong so They need to be told the truth that THEY actually have no idea themselves other than what they've be told.

You said my post "blew it"... when I quoted from the Bible. That is not a credible argument as far as I'm concerned. I learn an awful lot about the Author of the Book by reading his writings. Therefore when a thread asks about WHO or WHAT that Author is about, surely it's not "blowing it"by quoting from those author's writings. Some of which contain attrbuted quotes from him personally and his son.

Of course YOU and OTHERS may question those writings origin, but the fact that those writings are THE most published book and most widely available literary works by a country mile in the history of mankind. Surely EXACTLY what we would expect if the Bible really was the word of God, the ultimate author.

Personally I don't need the Bible to see God in my minds eye - I only have to look at the wonders of nature and the Universe in it's all it's majesty and beauty to know there is an intelligent designer, a Creator of all things. Despite the fact that I grew up in an Agnostic household that refused to have me be baptised or Christened. Quite rightly I was taught that I should make my own mind up, when I was old enough.

I did just that - much to my parents surprise because I decided for myself "WHO or WHAT is GOD?"

Originally posted by JB1234
reply to post by steveknows

 

Point out where I said it's wrong to answer the OP, The whole point is that the question asked who or what is God and the God squad is coming on and posting what they know not as a beliefe, but as a correction to what other people think. people are posting their perception of God and the God squad are telling them they're wrong so They need to be told the truth that THEY actually have no idea themselves other than what they've be told.

You said my post "blew it"... when I quoted from the Bible. That is not a credible argument as far as I'm concerned. I learn an awful lot about the Author of the Book by reading his writings. Therefore when a thread asks about WHO or WHAT that Author is about, surely it's not "blowing it"by quoting from those author's writings. Some of which contain attrbuted quotes from him personally and his son.

Of course YOU and OTHERS may question those writings origin, but the fact that those writings are THE most published book and most widely available literary works by a country mile in the history of mankind. Surely EXACTLY what we would expect if the Bible really was the word of God, the ultimate author.

Personally I don't need the Bible to see God in my minds eye - I only have to look at the wonders of nature and the Universe in it's all it's majesty and beauty to know there is an intelligent designer, a Creator of all things. Despite the fact that I grew up in an Agnostic household that refused to have me be baptised or Christened. Quite rightly I was taught that I should make my own mind up, when I was old enough.

I did just that - much to my parents surprise because I decided for myself "WHO or WHAT is GOD?"

edit on 18-12-2011 by JB1234 because: Added for context

The OP asks "Who or what is God" Not Who or what the author of the bible is.

This is what I'm talking about. People who believe what the bible says are on here telling other poeple that their perception of God is wrong. And you yourself have just tried to change the question in the OP to suit your preaching from the bible.

Lame lame lame.

I used to think that god was an old man who sat in a little boat in the sky. I have no idea why I had that image.

reply to post by steveknows

The OP asks "Who or what is God" Not Who or what the author of the bible is. This is what I'm talking about. People who believe what the bible says are on here telling other poeple that their perception of God is wrong. And you yourself have just tried to change the question in the OP to suit your preaching from the bible. Lame lame lame.

It's not lame at all.

People are openly saying if you want to find out about the recently deceased Christopher Hitchens then read his works and watch his interviews!

Same goes for God.. if you want to find out about him then read his works! SIMPLES

Originally posted by Ambrose169
I used to think that god was an old man who sat in a little boat in the sky. I have no idea why I had that image.

And you may very well be the only person on the planet who was right. Who kows?

reply to post by WWu777


God is existence itself. If God is defined as the infinite, that which is undefinable, unchanging, and unlimited. Existence itself meets these needs. Everything around is sensory perception that is translated as data by our brain to understand and reason. Space and time both began at the moment of the Big Bang and is currently accelerating. We have to block our sensory perception in order to see ultimate reality. If we assign consciousness to God, then we just humanize God, just the same way if God gets angry, upset, or is loving in nature. These are all human qualities that we give to God.

Originally posted by NuclearPaul
According to the back of the US one dollar bill, God is Horus.

Eye of Horus on the pyramid on the left, Horus himself on the right.

So wrong! The "eye of horus" was a specific eye, not in a triangle. The horus-bird is a hawk, and the bird on the dollar bill is an eagle. Don't you know that the Egyptians were VERY specific about their symbols?

Unvarnished sez:

"If we assign consciousness to God, then we just humanize God, just the same way if God gets angry, upset, or is loving in nature. These are all human qualities that we give to God."

Laz replies:

I think God has consciousness, but on a much higher level than we do - no humanization to it. God tells us that He gets angry, upset, loving, and on and on, as a way to communicate with us. Instead of arguing back and forth on this thread, we could be digging into the Bible, to see what God has said about Himself. I found that reading through the Law in the books of Moses gave me an outline of the mind of God, what He loves, what He hates, what He values in people. The Law is God's value system, and a good read if you want to know Him better.

If god exists and is all might and can do everything.
Can he create a rock that he can NOT pick up.

God is so far from man's comprehension.... As the space shuttle is from an amoeba. You may mock me all you wish, It is not important.
God created all that is, man can scarcely grasp our galaxy, let alone the universe, or a voice by which all came into existence, or even the space in which to place everything that is. The universe in the palm of his hand, but I could never convince you, because you mind is made up, and all your belief rests upon your understanding. You have been given a gift which many of do not even recognize, which you will squander and waste, and in the end you will either accept or reject. There is no reason to convince you, because if you will be saved, it will be by nothing that you could do to earn it. It is a gift. God offers you this chance only once, choose wisely, your life depends on it. It is called Faith, and by faith, you will be known as a child of God.

Originally posted by Blue Shift
Science has pretty much shown that God is not an old Grandpa Man who lives up in the clouds. I think they've pretty much put the kibosh on that notion. We've looked at clouds from both sides now, and there's no old man to be seen. Also, none of our telescopes have discovered the pearly gates of Heaven, and there's been some doubt raised as to just how a large structure like a gate could be supported by a foundation of clouds. There's certainly no precedent for that here on Earth.

Everything else, though, science has pretty much left up for grabs. Aside from quantum duality, science doesn't do well with things which are fundamentally paradoxical, such as an all-powerful, all-encompassing entity which feels a "need" to create.

Apparently a lot of people still need witch doctors to give them answers for that.

No comment on this post, but rather a baseline of some peoples thoughts, and by no means complete.
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Wiki:
God is most often conceived of as the supernatural creator and overseer of the universe. Theologians have ascribed a variety of attributes to the many different conceptions of God. The most common among these include omniscience (infinite knowledge), omnipotence (unlimited power), omnipresence (present everywhere), omnibenevolence (perfect goodness), divine simplicity, and eternal and necessary existence.
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The evidence of God is displayed everywhere, yet we humans struggle to comprehend. Einstein's unified field theory, the great physicists and minds have sought to put some sort of description out and assign properties to God,, yet that is impossible. By virtue of His omniscience. The simple volume of information of all that is squared, far, far surpasses our ability to even store in our mind. The concepts, so far out of reach, dimensions begin to fail us at around 5, the abstract thought needed to understand. Thus the question of who or what, moot because if it were all in front of you, it cold not be grasped by our finite intelligence. However God created Man in His image, so one could suppose that at some point as we progress, we will have some degree of comprehension, you know, after we die and go to be with the Lord. As Lennon said (Beatles) it was like getting out of one car and getting into another. But we can hope our creator will allow us vastly more knowledge, or could being united to the cosmic energy (GOD) not be a corporal form at all? Merely thought. I personally believe we will be something of the nature of corporal bodies living in a corporal world of indescribable beauty and complexity as was said of the great city an the New Jerusalem as in the scripture in Revelation.


So I guess what I'm getting at, it's completely impossible to know, other than it was promised and revealed through the Bible, word of mouth and in nature itself. You must choose to believe.... largely on Faith, or not to. But there is consequense.