Who or what is God?

reply to post by apushforenlightment


Random and chance, which I believe are dimensions in their own right, will lead to syncronicity at some point. It doesn't prove that there is an entitiy shaping everything in our lives.

reply to post by WWu777


im an athiest, but i think that god is known to either be like us (god created us in his own image) or just pure light, or too incredible for us to comprehend.

Short answer, based upon reported behavior (and it doesn't much matter which god you're talking about):

A power-tripping genocidal bipolar megalomaniac control freak asshole.

No gods for me, thanks, I'll pass.

reply to post by steveknows

No you're projecting a superior attitude born out of ignorance installed in you by being fooled into believing that you're Gods chosen. There's a difference.

LoL? Where did I say I was Gods chosen?? Your responses thus far have shown how insecure you are by someone else's opinion. My initial reasoning for responding to you was your position that God is not involved in human affairs. I thought that was a bit presumptuous - not knowing very much about religion, or spirituality, or only being exposed to one type, and dogmatically opining that God in the traditional sense is nonsense.

Anybody with a bit of metaphysical knowledge knows what I'm talking about. It's a staple of all great religions - although my position is more along the Hebraic position.. The 'agreement' is in God's two fold nature; being within the world, as a creator (called Brahma in Hinduism) and beyond creation, as the ultimate and absolute - the Godhead - typically described as a void, or the infinite.

My knowledge comes via education, and not some personal revelation. I am an initiate to esoteric knowledge. I am not the first to propose an inner meaning to the Torah - this is how it has always been. Since ancient times. The great Jewish philosopher Maimonides makes reference to the inner metaphysics of the Torah "being a subject for the elite" - and not for the laymen. All religions conduct themselves in this manner.

A shame you go on talking to me as if you're in any way capable to keep up an argument.

Here's news. If there is God it doesn't know who you are.

Sure he does. That's what omniscient means. God knows His creatures because their very existence depends on Him; everything that happens happens because he wills it - this being the meaning of omnipotent. His providence covers all areas of creation.

Our sense of his presence would be deeper if collectively - and this is focal - we all made an effort to know Him. The will to give of the creator is commensurate with mans will to receive. If man is indolent, and lazy, then creation will run according to certain definite and fixed laws - the laws of causation, physical laws etc.

That's the truth. Mind conditions matter. Matter is intertwined and energetically attuned by the collective consciousness of mankind. The creator has set two modes; Elohim and YHVH. The former is nature, and its limitive expression, while the latter is the source of the former. This is why in the Bible, this name always appears first. It is anterior, and superior, to the name of creation - Elohim.

Man simply needs to understand the source of his existence and reality will change for him. It's a fundamental law that is even implied by the phenomenon of synchronicity. Synchronicity is the coinciding of mental and temporal phenomena. For instance, I think a thought, and the word in my mind is said on TV. This is a synchronicity. It's a fairly meaningless type, and there are many more prophetic kinds, but the point is, it points to a reality beyond the individual ego.

It knows life exists but you are not on its radar because you are just one of billions of things in its universe.

The fact that an atom can unleash so much force, enough to destroy the universe, should be enough proof that size is irrelevant.

To the creator, 1 and 1 trillion are the same. Both are equally irrelevant compared to the infinite.

reply to post by dontreally


I'm saying you think you're Gods chosen and I get that by the way you've come on and tried to correct (according to you) peoples idea of what God is. The question in the OP was an open question. You've come along and told people they're ignorant and wrong. By who's measure? Your measure? You have no idea who or what God is. You think you know, because you've read it in a book but the people who wrote it have no idea either, but you don't know at all. You might know the ins and outs of the bible but that does not make you an authority on what God is. The FACT is that no one knows. So you're so far up yourself to think that you do that it must be very dark for you.

Now go back to your safety blanket being whatever part of religion you use to escape from reality and don't bother preaching anything. You make me yawn. You're boring.

AND YOU KNOW NOTHING OF GOD AS IT KNOWS NOTHING OF YOU.

reply to post by steveknows

The FACT is that no one knows.

It always irritates me when ignoramuses say that. It's such an easy thing to say. You do not work. You put no time in to study, and BAM - you think you're perfectly justified to say what only some intellectuals will say.

What about a Hindu? or a Gnostic? or Sufi? or a Kabbalist?

You're speaking from a very low perspective, so I feel it is my duty to come in and clarify some of the misconceptions people have about God.

God in his essence, we cannot know anything. God as He REVEALS Himself to man, i.e. in His emanations, we are more than allowed to speak of. What do you think religion is? It's based on a metaphysical revelation..

To just clarify for you. Metaphysics is high philosophy. It is ontology: The branch of metaphysics dealing with the nature of being.

Thus, the stories read in the Hebrew bible, or in other sacred books, the Quran, or the Bhagavad Gita etc, reflects an incredibly complex, and sophisticated panoramic evaluation of the universe. These metaphysics are initially based on a vision and later on developed by mystics into a metaphysical doctrine..

The archetypes - the "angels" of the Semitic cultures, or "devas" of the East, or "gods" of pagan times, are the principles and forces which extend this level of understanding to the human mind. The human mind thus becomes 'enlightened' because of an angelic revelation. In normal psychological terms, we call this an inspiration. In occultism, such inspiration can be induced - and hence, we know these principles are real, because we can make contact with them, and they, with us.

Back to the initial statement you made. God IS present in History. The generations listed in the book of Genesis, that all refers to an existential evolution of man through various levels of being. As man progresses through history, new elements of conscious are superadded to his already existing consciousness; we live to impart what we've learned to our children. And our children to their children, and so forth, through every generation until the end of This world. At the end of this world, a new, higher round begins.

Each aspect of humanity has received its own unique revelation, pertaining to its own spiritual frame of reference, depending on the part of the world they were born and the people they belong to. Each soul born into this world begins 'imprinted' by a spiritual power - a medium - or in Rabbinic language, a guardian archangel, which conditions the mind of man.

In China, a Chinese person thinks one way, and will respond in a way different from someone born somewhere else. His unconscious is activated, and conditioned, by different spiritual powers. Thus, different ideas are born in the orient than in Israel. And this is the same everywhere.

I never said other religions were wrong. I'm actually a proponent of the idea that all religions have a relative truth. But some religions, due to their proximity and universality i.e. the Hebrew Bible (which speaks from a universal perspective, a first man, the generations of mankind etc) as well as their spiritual and sociological situation in the world - Jerusalem (the nexus between 3 continents) have an overarching relevance to man.

I really dislike people who naively rule out God in his personal mode because God also exists and is related to in an impersonal way - like how the Hindus, Buddhists or Gnostics envisage God. That is only side. Remember, a created being is in no position to judge the essential value of one form of expression against another - even if that other is the negation of the former (non-being). Both being and non-being, to a human being, are the same. They are both important. Meaning, both God in his mode as creator, and God as he is inHimself, are relevant to the way man is to live in this world.

You should really not be like those teenagers who read 1 or 2 books and think its perfectly alright to just say to anyone - we can never know anything about God. Because it isn't true, and it's ignorant.

You just happened to run into somebody that doesn't tolerate that stupidity like others will. I will speak, and you can either listen, and maybe learn something, or retort something back.

Either way. My last post to you on this subject. As to speak beyond what I have said would be truly unwise.

1. What is God?

"God is the Supreme Intelligence--First Cause of all things."

2. What is to be understood by infinity?

"That which has neither beginning nor end; the unknown: all that is unknown is infinite."

3. Can it be said that God is infinity?

"An incomplete definition. Poverty of human speech incompetent to define what transcends human intelligence."

God is infinite in His perfections, but "infinity" is an abstraction. To say that God is infinity is to substitute the attribute of a thing for the thing itself, and to define something unknown by reference to some other thing equally unknown.

Originally posted by dontreally
reply to post by steveknows

 

The FACT is that no one knows.

It always irritates me when ignoramuses say that. It's such an easy thing to say. You do not work. You put no time in to study, and BAM - you think you're perfectly justified to say what only some intellectuals will say.

What about a Hindu? or a Gnostic? or Sufi? or a Kabbalist?

You're speaking from a very low perspective, so I feel it is my duty to come in and clarify some of the misconceptions people have about God.

God in his essence, we cannot know anything. God as He REVEALS Himself to man, i.e. in His emanations, we are more than allowed to speak of. What do you think religion is? It's based on a metaphysical revelation..

To just clarify for you. Metaphysics is high philosophy. It is ontology: The branch of metaphysics dealing with the nature of being.

Thus, the stories read in the Hebrew bible, or in other sacred books, the Quran, or the Bhagavad Gita etc, reflects an incredibly complex, and sophisticated panoramic evaluation of the universe. These metaphysics are initially based on a vision and later on developed by mystics into a metaphysical doctrine..

The archetypes - the "angels" of the Semitic cultures, or "devas" of the East, or "gods" of pagan times, are the principles and forces which extend this level of understanding to the human mind. The human mind thus becomes 'enlightened' because of an angelic revelation. In normal psychological terms, we call this an inspiration. In occultism, such inspiration can be induced - and hence, we know these principles are real, because we can make contact with them, and they, with us.

Back to the initial statement you made. God IS present in History. The generations listed in the book of Genesis, that all refers to an existential evolution of man through various levels of being. As man progresses through history, new elements of conscious are superadded to his already existing consciousness; we live to impart what we've learned to our children. And our children to their children, and so forth, through every generation until the end of This world. At the end of this world, a new, higher round begins.

Each aspect of humanity has received its own unique revelation, pertaining to its own spiritual frame of reference, depending on the part of the world they were born and the people they belong to. Each soul born into this world begins 'imprinted' by a spiritual power - a medium - or in Rabbinic language, a guardian archangel, which conditions the mind of man.

In China, a Chinese person thinks one way, and will respond in a way different from someone born somewhere else. His unconscious is activated, and conditioned, by different spiritual powers. Thus, different ideas are born in the orient than in Israel. And this is the same everywhere.

I never said other religions were wrong. I'm actually a proponent of the idea that all religions have a relative truth. But some religions, due to their proximity and universality i.e. the Hebrew Bible (which speaks from a universal perspective, a first man, the generations of mankind etc) as well as their spiritual and sociological situation in the world - Jerusalem (the nexus between 3 continents) have an overarching relevance to man.

I really dislike people who naively rule out God in his personal mode because God also exists and is related to in an impersonal way - like how the Hindus, Buddhists or Gnostics envisage God. That is only side. Remember, a created being is in no position to judge the essential value of one form of expression against another - even if that other is the negation of the former (non-being). Both being and non-being, to a human being, are the same. They are both important. Meaning, both God in his mode as creator, and God as he is inHimself, are relevant to the way man is to live in this world.

You should really not be like those teenagers who read 1 or 2 books and think its perfectly alright to just say to anyone - we can never know anything about God. Because it isn't true, and it's ignorant.

You just happened to run into somebody that doesn't tolerate that stupidity like others will. I will speak, and you can either listen, and maybe learn something, or retort something back.

Either way. My last post to you on this subject. As to speak beyond what I have said would be truly unwise.

Your last post. Good. I already told you to go away.

You truly have no concept at all. You can't tell poeple that their perception of what God is is wrong.
You have no right to say to anyone that how they view God is wrong. Are you mad or just a religious nut?

YOU KNOW NOTHING OF GOD. THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN TELL ME THAT MEANS ANYTHING BECAUSE YOU ARE JUST AS MUCH IN THE DARK AS ANYONE ELSE. What a wacko.

GOD is real and he is NOT my coffee cup.
GOD by one explanation is pure energy. Everytime I turn on a light I turned on God.
If there is no GOD then there are no Ghosts.The body would not have an aura.
Yes I believe that GOD as a being exists and is intellegent.
Because of this I am praying that you come to know this soon.
There is one animal on earth that has reptilion, avion, feline and k-nine DNA and I dont believe they came togeather accidently to create
Oh no my light burned out does that mean my god just died? NO
I pray for those in doubt as the time is coming very soon to relize the truth. Not as I seeit but as it is.

The only way we as humans can truly know what something is, is if we are told.Other than that we simply must guess. This is true of God. The Bible tells us that God is a spirit. Next question should be,what is a spirit.

Originally posted by Theophorus
The only way we as humans can truly know what something is, is if we are told.Other than that we simply must guess. This is true of God. The Bible tells us that God is a spirit. Next question should be,what is a spirit.

The bible has been written by a long list of people with both a biased view and an agenda. They know as much about what God is as anyone else and that equates to Zero.

reply to post by Theophorus


The only way you will ever know something is to experience it. Being told about something and believing it is just belief. To know God is to experience God first hand.
I can tell you about water, you can read a book about water but if you are thirsty you need to experience water.

reply to post by Theophorus


There is the material and there is the spirit. Material is what we consider 'things', things we see, things we hear, everything that is known. Material is content. Spirit is not material, it is not a 'thing'. Spirit is the knower of 'things', the knower of content, like a vessel that contains the content.
However, without the knower (spirit) no thing (material) can be known.

You are the knower of 'things', even your body and thoughts are appearances (things) appearing to spirit. You are the seer and knower of worldly 'things'.
You are the one thing that is always present and you see and know, you are consciousness.

We all share the same conscious awareness, and because consciousness is a universal state, that state can be called God as it is eternal and all-pervasive.

In a sense, we are all one and connected.

I personally believe there is a God or Gods that created the Universe,because I believe it was designed intelligently,and that only another intelligence can create intelligence.

I'm not religious,it is just my observations of the world.Also I think nobody know it/them and that we might be as a species along with other intelligent species if they exist, called on to discover the mysteries of the universe and it's mastermind/s.

One could write pages on "Who or What is God?"...but this is just a short synopsis.

Jesus himself pronounced that God was a real being ........(John 7:28)  "Therefore Jesus cried out as he was teaching in the temple and said: “YOU both know me and know where I am from. Also, I have not come of my own initiative, but he that sent me is real, and YOU do not know him"

Many people refuse to accept that he even exists, however the fact that they beleive he doesn't exist doesn't mean that the fact is he doesn't exist!

The Encyclopedia Americana (Vol. XII, p. 743) 1965 commented as follows under the heading “God”: “In the Christian, Mohammedan, and Jewish sense, the Supreme Being, the First Cause, and in a general sense, as considered nowadays throughout the civilized world, a spiritual being, self-existent, eternal and absolutely free and all-powerful, distinct from the matter which he has created in many forms, and which he conserves and controls. There does not seem to have been a period of history where mankind was without belief in a supernatural author and governor of the universe.

God has a personal name according to the Bible. In the Hebrew tetragrammaton it is YHWH which means "He who causes to become" or simply put "The Creator" commonly pronounced Jehovah.

To me the fact of the existence of God is proved by the order, power, and complexity of creation, macroscopic and microscopic, and through his dealings with his people throughout history.

Jehovah told Job he only had to look up at the stars to see evidence of a Creator (Isaiah 40:26) . . ."Raise YOUR eyes high up and see. Who has created these things? It is the One who is bringing forth the army of them even by number, all of whom he calls even by name. Due to the abundance of dynamic energy, he also being vigorous in power, not one [of them] is missing"..The fundamental law in that scripture of the direct relationship of power and energy we know today surely expressed as a mathematical formula E = MC2

In looking into what might be called the Book of Divine Creation, scientists learn much. One can learn from a book only if intelligent thought and preparation have been put into the book by its author. We see from (I'm presuming an atheist Scientist) like Janine Benyus that many of mankind's design solutions lie within the natural word. She may put that down to simply Nature... where as I see the hand of an intelligent designer.

Ask Nature.org.... Science now has a new field Biomimicry ....and surely to me the Bible itself tells us that God's power, majesty and personality is shown in his Creations that we are now being asked to base many of our technology upon to make our lives more sustainable and efiicient.........(Romans 1:20) . . Romans 1:20 "For his invisible [qualities] are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable";

God is all powerful but not omnipresent, the Bible speaks of him having a dwelling place in the Universe (1 Kings 8:49) "you must also hear from the heavens, your established place of dwelling,.........."

He is a spirit being which no man may see and live because of his make up, so perhaps he has some nuclear prescence....(Exodus 33:20) . . .” “You are not able to see my face, because no man may see me and yet live.”

The Bible speaks of Jehovah's four main quailites the first and overriding quality being -
Love, (1 John 4:8-10) . . ."He that does not love has not come to know God, because God is love"

Justice....(Deuteronomy 32:4) . . ."The Rock, perfect is his activity, For all his ways are justice. A God of faithfulness, with whom there is no injustice; Righteous and upright is he."

Wisdom... (Proverbs 2:6) . . .For Jehovah himself gives wisdom; out of his mouth there are knowledge and discernment.

Power - (Job 37:23)  "As for the Almighty, we have not found him out; He is exalted in power, And justice and abundance of righteousness he will not belittle"

However Paul describes him as a happy God...(1 Timothy 1:11)  "according to the glorious good news of the happy God, with which I was entrusted"....... And we can see from passages of scripture that he has a sense of humour.

Wether anyone beleives in him or not is irrelevant... it will not effect the outcome of his purposes for the Earth and it's inhabitants. God indeed has a plan and as the world lurches into evermore chaos that plan will become apparent to those who wish to take heed of his words......(Isaiah 55:11) "so my word that goes forth from my mouth will prove to be. It will not return to me without results, but it will certainly do that in which I have delighted, and it will have certain success in that for which I have sent it"

According to the back of the US one dollar bill, God is Horus.

Eye of Horus on the pyramid on the left, Horus himself on the right.

reply to post by JB1234


You blew it the moment you stated using the bible. Just the opinion of a long list of people. The bible has no idea of the true nature of God. Nor does anyone.

reply to post by steveknows


How can it be wrong to answer the OP when it asks a question "Who or What is God?" from the Bible that itself claims to have been authored by God himself.... as a collection of writings termed the "divine library" by some .....using many different writers or secretaries over thousands of years?

"ALL Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work" - 2 Tim. 3:16

So many gems to be found in those writings too... in particular I hope very much that one scripture catches up with some in regard to the leaches that have personally been responsible for the catasphrophic collapse in the global economy by their total disregard for others and their reckless actions based on pure selfish greed and dishonesty......... (Proverbs 20:17 "Bread [gained by] falsehood is pleasurable to a man, but afterward his mouth will be filled with gravel"