Nearly 20% of women in the US are raped, study reveals

I wonder what the percentage is of women who make false claims of rape just to get attention and/or to try and ruin someone's life. It's no secret that this happens quite frequently--especially in the U.S.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by Hydroman
True rape is disgusting and I don't think anyone here is defending it.

Yet you trivialized it by saying you wish you would be raped...

Sick but true psychology fact .... Most men fantasize about raping women. They won't admit it out in the open in our society, but they admit it in blind questionaires. Evolutionary Psychology course in college. Further reading - "Evolutionary Psychology the new science of the mind" David M. Buss.

Facts to back up Your claims.(not sure if it is "most" but a fair number anyways)

]33% of males surveyed said that they would commit rape if they could escape detection.

25% of men surveyed believed that rape was acceptable if: the woman asks the man out; or the man pays for the date; or the woman goes back to the man's room after the date

link

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Since you put ball back to my side out the court, and request that I give an opinion on Why the statistics are inflated purposely, I will.

It is as all things, Divide & Conquer, distraction.

We are given false information, and as the responses to your thread reveal, some will respond through an emotional mindset, others responded with a logical mindset, but the division IS created.

Both camps are now distracted (me included) debating an issue that cannot be answered with certainty.

The other part of this is a creation of a FEAR climate salted with victimization.

As you have read some of our fellow ATS are very willing to succumb to the role of victim and allow fear to invade their mind.

Taking the article you referenced 28.6 million women in the US are victims of rape. So, It holds very true that each of these 28.6 million women raped in the US there is a counterpart, the rapist.

So, what is manufactured is a unwarranted climate of fear of the un-named, not identified, non-existent predators. Which in turn has these potential victims walking path of life in fear.

Divided, Conquered, ruled by Fear, these are the fruits of the agenda , in my opinion.

Originally posted by Adamanteus
]33% of males surveyed said that they would commit rape if they could escape detection.

25% of men surveyed believed that rape was acceptable if: the woman asks the man out; or the man pays for the date; or the woman goes back to the man's room after the date

WTF? Where did they get this poll? What man thinks it's ok to rape a woman in any circumstance? My brain does not compute.

Originally posted by Hydroman
What man thinks it's ok to rape a woman in any circumstance?

Sociopathic ones.

I can understand the 33%, lots of people would do lots of things if they could "escape detection" but that 25%...

they just crazy.

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
reply to post by MoosKept240

 

I don't understand what is wrong with people.

A lot!

I will say though, I have yet to hear one person talk of a way to prevent/reduce rape. In this thread

I believe if prostitution was legal, that the amount of rapes would decline greatly.
There would be no need to force yourself on someone, when you could just go get it. And even then, if that was your thing, then you could just pay someone for it, in a much safer scenario.
I mean prostitution is not safe, but if you look at the alternative, I think it doesn't sound so bad.

Originally posted by Hydroman
WTF? Where did they get this poll? What man thinks it's ok to rape a woman in any circumstance? My brain does not compute.

edit on 15-12-2011 by Hydroman because: (no reason given)

It was a paper from 1986 by Neil Malamuth in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology. PDF of the Paper

I find it a little odd that this 25 year old paper is still being trotted out in classrooms. Not odd in that I find Malamuth's work suspect, I havent read the whole paper yet, but odd that there isnt any more recent or better work done?

Originally posted by MoosKept240
There would be no need to force yourself on someone, when you could just go get it.

It's not the same. Paying to play the role of a victim might appease some of these offenders for a while but sooner or later it wont be real enough.

Just like killers who begin playing with roadkill and later kill animals for fun who eventually seek out the thrill of the human kill.

Of course this doesnt mean every adult engaging in consensual violent, aggressive sex or role play is a rapist in wait just as not every kid who pokes a dead squirrel is not the next Ted Bundy on the block.

The point is that for the true offenders there is no "next best thing" to the real thing.

Originally posted by Hydroman
WTF? Where did they get this poll? What man thinks it's ok to rape a woman in any circumstance? My brain does not compute.

NOW you're starting to understand the problem. People who trivialize rape are usually those who don't know much about it. The fact is, there are predators out there looking for women to violate.

I understand your point of view earlier in the thread, but if you knew the whole story, I bet you'd change your tune.

Thanks for the apology. Accepted.

reply to post by MoosKept240

Well, there should be a better punishment for those who are found guilty of raping someone and are without a shadow of a doubt guilty of it. Cut off their weiner.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
I understand your point of view earlier in the thread, but if you knew the whole story, I bet you'd change your tune.

You are right. I have two daughters and if any man dared rape them, I would want to kill them.

Originally posted by MoosKept240
I believe if prostitution was legal, that the amount of rapes would decline greatly.

Rapists don't rape to have sex. They rape to exert power (force) over a woman. It's a crime of violence. Without force, it's not rape and the rapist doesn't get his jollies.

Although I agree with legalization of prostitution, I don't think it would have an effect on the rape statistics.

How to prevent rape? Carry a preventive measure.

One study from a couple of years ago indicates that 62% of women fantasize about being raped.

U.S. National Library of Medicine

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A large number of women also have fantasies about their fathers or father figures.. Theres a big difference between fantasy and actually doing something. I always have a problem with this whole rape issue when i hear it. It's not that i dont believe it happens, i just believe its exaggerated. I'm in my mid 30's and of the women I've known and the topic has come up I can only think of 2 or 3 that havent claimed its happened to them... If your married its not rape unless theres a fair amount of blood. If it's just a fantasy you have it's not rape. If you get really drunk and wake up next to a guy and you dont really remember you wanted it it's not rape.. If you dont walk away from it badly bruised and likely bloody I don't buy it. Bruises take time to heal, weeks sometimes months. I just dont see many bruised up women walking around. How many men are going to get assulted like that and not fight it with their life? If he doesnt then i'd say hes got a secret fantasy of his own. I dont see why women would be any different. There will be marks not easily hidden, makeup or not...

Originally posted by unworldly
One study from a couple of years ago indicates that 62% of women fantasize about being raped.

U.S. National Library of Medicine

Here's the whole paper.

There are a lot of things that make rape a good fantasy. For starters American society is painfully sexually repressed. Rape is an explosive and primal act guaranteed to be free of repression. This could also be the base for a lot of those men fantasizing about raping. Perhaps not about the violence and brutality but just about letting that energy, emotion, desire and passion fly unleashed. I have no doubt many men and women feel this way about their sex lives. Otherwise gizmos, pills, porn and therapy wouldnt be so highly consumed.

Then there's the benefits of victimhood. I know that sounds harsh as hell but bear with me. As a victim it isnt your fault. You didnt cheat on anyone, you didnt act in an unwholesome or dirty manner. You had no choice. The fantasy angle is you get to have your cake and eat it too.

It has been often argued that the popularity of Vampires in pop-culture are a symbolic representation of the widespread desire to break free from sexual repression and the excitement of "safe-rape" as a fantasy.

I havent read this paper here but I imagine he includes all this and much more.

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Absolutely agree. Those that are truly sick, will seek out their perversions.
What I suggest of legalizing prostitution, is not to completely prevent the crime, but merely reduce it. And punish those who deserve it and rehabilitate those who need it.

Originally posted by Hydroman
reply to post by MoosKept240

 

Well, there should be a better punishment for those who are found guilty of raping someone and are without a shadow of a doubt guilty of it. Cut off their weiner.

Haha. Agreed!
I think that would sway the minds of many men.

Originally posted by coyote76
If your married its not rape unless theres a fair amount of blood.... If you dont walk away from it badly bruised and likely bloody I don't buy it.

Ugh! Why do I keep reading this ignorant insanity?

How much blood does it take to prove rape? Six ounces? A quart? What you have said is disgusting. I was raped and had no bruises or bleeding. According to you, my friend's HUGE father who held me down at 17 while I screamed and fought and begged him to stop, didn't rape me because I didn't have proof like bruises or blood...

Sickening!

Originally posted by Hydroman
reply to post by GeorgiaGirl

 

Were you raped?

Yes. And I didn't talk about it to ANYONE. My husband knows now, as do a couple of good friends. And now the entire internet, thanks to the feeling of anonymity here, because I guarantee I still wouldn't want to talk about it face to face with anyone.

I felt like it was my fault because I had too much to drink and went back with someone to his dorm room. That was a dumb thing for me to do, and therefore, I felt responsible. That is truly how I felt at the time, and I still try to talk myself out of feeling that way.

I think that this happens to a lot of people who never talk about it. I certainly don't know how I would have answered a telephone survey about it...actually, since the element of anonymity would be gone (since they had my phone number) I think I would have told them no, I had not.

I'm even having a hard time clicking on the "reply" button here, to tell you the truth. Do I want my story out there? Even though none of you know me, it's hard to admit to this.

Not a surprise.American society is based on genocide and violence.Its expected that such things will happen on mass scale.Its a dog eat dog out there.Its ingrained in american society to be psychopathic in nature.Their movies,games and media encourages it and is not based on humility and honesty.