Nearly 20% of women in the US are raped, study reveals

reply to post by nixie_nox


That's what youre upset about? That I said everyone loves pity?

That's still just a tad shy from stating everyone lies about rape. Can you at least accept that? Is that possible?

So sadness and pity sells the world over in papers and newscasts and television and even in government to move legislation but you dont like pity.

Would it make your day a little brighter if I, though assumed surrounded by thinking individuals initially believed to be unnecessary, qualify my statement of "everyone loves pity" to refer to the majestic plural?

Seriously, WTF?

On the evening of Oct. 13, 2010, members of the Delta Kappa Epsilon fraternity at Yale University marched across campus chanting, "No means yes! Yes means anal! No means yes! Yes means anal!" A video of the chanting men was posted online and quickly went viral, spurring an uproar on Yale's campus and nationwide. The message was clear: making light of rape — an abhorrent, violent, dehumanizing crime — is not acceptable, whatever the circumstances.



Read more: www.time.com...

There is something seriously wrong when some of the supposedly most highly educated are pulling this kind of #. There is no excuse. Are they that far gone.

Originally posted by batgirl

On the evening of Oct. 13, 2010, members of the Delta Kappa Epsilon fraternity at Yale University marched across campus chanting, "No means yes! Yes means anal! No means yes! Yes means anal!" A video of the chanting men was posted online and quickly went viral, spurring an uproar on Yale's campus and nationwide. The message was clear: making light of rape — an abhorrent, violent, dehumanizing crime — is not acceptable, whatever the circumstances.



Read more: www.time.com...

There is something seriously wrong when some of the supposedly most highly educated are pulling this kind of #. There is no excuse. Are they that far gone.

No, they're just spoiled rich brats with a sense of entitlement. They've never been told "no" in their entire lives.

Originally posted by HappyBunny

Nobody said that there aren't women who make it up. You're making a hasty generalization and assuming all women are liars.

That is fair because this thread is making hasty generalizations and assumptions that all men are potential rapists, and 1 out of 5 (if not more as some are trying to make us believe) women must be lying when they say they haven't been raped.

I invite people to revisit math class. As of the 2010 census there were One Hundred Fifty-Seven Million women in the US 157,000,000. 20% of 157,000,000 is, Thirty One Million Four Hundred Thousand 31,400,000.
An extremely large number.
To help you wrap your head around that number:
2010 census, the combined population of women in the states of Texas, New York, and Florida was 32,333,864

Rape happens and it's a foul and dastardly crime, but not at the hate mongering rate of 1 out of 5 women. That would be pandemic rates. That would mean that there must be a rapist in your family, among your friends. That would mean that you have to start looking at all men as guilty until proven innocent. With that kind of data, juries and judges will be mostly convinced of the guilt before the trial even begins.

Salem Witch Trials

Over 150 people were arrested and imprisoned, with even more accused but not formally pursued by the authorities. All twenty-six who went to trial before this court were convicted.

capital felony of witchcraft

Nineteen of the accused, fourteen women and five men, were executed by hanging. One man, Giles Corey, refused to enter a plea and was crushed to death under heavy stones in an attempt to force him to do so.

Interesting.

By the current definition of rape laws, I don't personally know a woman or man over the age of 20 that hasn't been sexually abused if not raped.

We've (myself and those I know well enough to discuss explicit sexual content with) all performed sexual acts that we 'did not want to do' or 'because we are afraid of what they will do if we don't' at some point in our lives.

A very interesting line this is:
"causes another person to engage in a sexual act by threatening or placing that other person
in fear"

Stalking has become quite the buzzword in recent times. It has in fact, become so popular that it means ANY type of unwanted attention or abnormal courting. I have a whole series of friends (male and female) who have had "stalkers", namely people who continued to try to court them despite their ambiguous signals. I myself have probably been accused of stalking, because I didn't understand that "I'm really busy right now." was actually an encoded form of "I'm not interested in seeing you again." A stalker is apparently anyone who violates your particular set of social norms, or doesn't get the subtext in your communication (believes what you actually say instead of somehow inferring your true meaning.)

Please don't try to portray me as trying to justify stalking or say that it doesn't exist. I'm saying that self-reporting of stalking probably includes a lot of cases that are unrequited love or infatuation, and never cross the boundary into threatening or harmful behavior.

Finally, if you're going to quote statistics, please don't quote the statistics and then proceed immediately to tell us that the numbers are "probably much higher". Either they're good statistics or they're not. Your personal opinion that the statistics are "probably inaccurate" is unverifiable, and only calls into question the validity of your numbers.

Originally posted by HappyBunny

If we blame other women for rape, it can't happen to us--that's the rationale of young women. Older women know better, that rape can happen not matter what you wear, no matter if you're stone cold sober or not.

Yet, women falsely accusing men of rape is far from a rare occurance. Far from it in fact.

A study carried out by Dr. Kanin found that 41% were lying and had not been raped.

In fact, it may have been higher.

Note: 41% of rape 'victims' expressly admitted to lying.

Dr. Kanin investigated the incidences, in one small urban community, of false rape allegations made to the police from 1978 and 1987.

Unlike those in many larger jurisdictions, this police department had the resources to "seriously record and pursue to closure all rape complaints, regardless of their merits."

Each investigation "always involves a serious offer to polygraph the complainants and the suspects" and "the complainant must admit that no rape had occurred. She is the sole agent who can say that the rape charge is false."

The number of false rape allegations in the studied period was 45; this was 41% of the 109 total complaints filed in this period.

en.wikipedia.org...

So in one 9 year study, 45 out of 109 women who claimed to be raped actually later admitted that no rape had occurred.

41% of rape 'victims' admitted to lying.

Originally posted by korathin
And most of the people making these claims demand pity in one breathe and then engage in male hating rhetoric in the next.

Did I ever ask for pity from any of you when sharing my story of what happened to me? No, I didn't. Have I said anything hateful about men? No, I haven't. All I've said is truth I've learned and gathered from research and college professors I've talked to while at school.

If we were "making this up" like you claim, what would we get from it? What exactly do we have to prove by telling our stories to a bunch of anons on a conspiracy site?

Originally posted by ollncasino

Yet, women falsely accusing men of rape is far from a rare occurance. Far from it in fact.

A study carried out by Dr. Kanin found that 41% were lying and had not been raped.

In fact, it may have been higher.

Note: 41% of rape 'victims' expressly admitted to lying.

I guess you only cherry-picked what you wanted to read. There are numerous criticisms of Kanin's work, even within the Wiki article you cited:

Criticism of Dr. Kanin's report include Dr. David Lisak, an associate professor of psychology, and director of the Men’s Sexual Trauma Research Project at the University of Massachusetts, Boston. In the September/October 2007 issue of the Sexual Assault Report he states “Kanin’s 1994 article on false allegations is a provocative opinion piece, but it is not a scientific study of the issue of false reporting of rape. It certainly should never be used to assert a scientific foundation for the frequency of false allegations.” He further states “[Dr. Kanin] simply reiterates the opinions of the police officers who concluded that the cases in question were ‘false allegations.’” Lisak cites page 13 of Investigating Sexual Assaults from the International Association of Chiefs of Police which says polygraph tests for sexual assault victims are contradicted in the investigation process and that their use is “based on the misperception that a significant percentage of sexual assault reports are false...It is noteworthy that the police department from which Kanin derived his data threatened to use the polygraph in every case...The fact that it was the standard procedure of this department provides a window on the biases of the officers who conducted the rape investigations, biases that were then echoed in Kanin’s unchallenged reporting of their findings.” Lisak later performed his own study, published in 2010 in Violence Against Women, which found a false allegation rate of 5.9%.

A 2006 paper by N.S. Rumney in the Cambridge Law Journal provided an exhaustive account of studies of false reporting in the USA, New Zealand and the UK.[17] Rumney notes that early researchers tended to accept uncritically Freudian theories which purported to explain the prevalence of false allegations, while in more recent literature there has been "a lack of critical analysis of those who claim a low false reporting rate and the uncritical adoption of unreliable research findings" (p. 157) Rumney concludes that "as a consequence of such deficiencies within legal scholarship, factual claims have been repeatedly made that have only limited empirical support. This suggests widespead analytical failure on the part of legal scholarship and requires an acknowledgement of the weakness of assumptions that have been constructed on unreliable research evidence".

Others:

Jody Raphael, DePaul University College of Law:

Kanin's study] is frequently cited on web sites devoted to debunking the prevalence of rape. During this ten year period, the police department followed policy (now deemed unlawful by the U.S. Congress for police departments receiving federal funds) that required polygraphing complainants and suspects as a condition of investigating rape reports. Kanin’s department only declared a complaint false when the victim recanted and admitted it was.

In his published journal article, Kanin (1994) admitted that “A possible objection to these recantations concerns their validity….rather than proceed with the real charge of rape, the argument goes, these women withdrew their accusations to avoid the trauma of police investigation.”

And indeed, the Kanin study has been criticized for the department’s use of polygraph testing in every case, a process that has been rejected by many police departments because of its intimidating impact on victims. The International Association of Chiefs of Police disapproves of requiring polygraph tests during rape investigations because “victims often feel confused and ashamed, and experience a great deal of self-blame because of something they did or did not do in relation to the sexual assault. These feelings may compromise the reliability of the results of such interrogation techniques. The use of these interrogation techniques can also compound these feelings and prolong the trauma of a sexual assault” (Lisak, 2007, p.6).

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Originally posted by batgirl
On the evening of Oct. 13, 2010, members of the Delta Kappa Epsilon fraternity at Yale University marched across campus chanting, "No means yes! Yes means anal! No means yes! Yes means anal!"

Maybe they were trying to wind up the feminists?

I don't agree with the Delta Kappa Epsilon fraternity. No only sometimes means yes.

The lady doth protest too much.

William Shakespeare

reply to post by HappyBunny

Given the popularity of Kanin’s study, especially in light of the collapse of the Duke University lacrosse players prosecution, David Lisak (2007), an associate professor of psychology at the University of Massachusetts Boston, cautions that this particular police department employed a common procedure in which officers’ inherent suspicion of rape victims results in a confrontational approach towards the victim that would likely result in an extraordinarily high number of victim recantations. Lisak also points out that Kanin’s is not a research study, because it only puts forth the opinions of the police officers without any further investigation on his part.

Kanin (1994) himself cautioned against the generalizability of his findings…

Now, Kanin never revealed which police force(s) he studied, which means no one can verify his results. He never tried to interview any of the alleged false rape accusers and he never attempted to independently verify anything he was told by police.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by batgirl
On the evening of Oct. 13, 2010, members of the Delta Kappa Epsilon fraternity at Yale University marched across campus chanting, "No means yes! Yes means anal! No means yes! Yes means anal!"

Maybe they were trying to wind up the feminists?

I don't agree with the Delta Kappa Epsilon fraternity. No only sometimes means yes.

The lady doth protest too much.

William Shakespeare

You idiot, no means NO. What part of that don't you understand?

Originally posted by HappyBunny
I guess you only cherry-picked what you wanted to read. There are numerous criticisms of Kanin's work

You seem to have missed the fact that 41% of the women admitted to making false allegations of rape.

They expressly stated that they had lied.

False Allegations of Rape

Originally posted by HappyBunny
You idiot, no means NO. What part of that don't you understand?

I presume that I have more extensive experience of having sex with women than you?

Ask any man (not a feminist). Sometimes (not usually, not often, sometimes) women say no but mean yes.

But how could you know that?

How many women have you had sex with?

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by HappyBunny
I guess you only cherry-picked what you wanted to read. There are numerous criticisms of Kanin's work

You seem to have missed the fact that 41% of the women admitted to making false allegations of rape.

They expressly stated that they had lied.

False Allegations of Rape

You apparently didn't read the whole thing. Kanin never tried to contact them himself--he simply took the police at their word.

His results can't be verified, and without independent verification of his results his study is highly suspect, to say the least. Many have criticized him for his methods.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by HappyBunny
You idiot, no means NO. What part of that don't you understand?

I presume that I have more extensive experience of having sex with women than you?

Ask any man (not a feminist). Sometimes (not usually, not often, sometimes) women say no but mean yes.

But how could you know that?

How many women have you had sex with?

Wow, what a medieval Neanderthal. How old are you, 15?

When I say NO I mean NO. There's no joking around about it, unless you're playing a game in the privacy of your own bedroom. It doesn't mean, "Well, maybe." That only happens in romance novels.

reply to post by HappyBunny


You have to be careful.

For some (of both sexes) no means no.

For some (of both sexes) no means negotiate better.

Very hard to tell with some people, very easy with others. When in doubt ask for clarification.

Originally posted by peck420
reply to post by HappyBunny

 

You have to be careful.

For some (of both sexes) no means no.

For some (of both sexes) no means negotiate better.

Very hard to tell with some people, very easy with others. When in doubt ask for clarification.

Well, he's taking it for granted that no means yes. If that's his operating assumption, he's probably one of those men who rape but don't consider it rape, because of course she said no, but she didn't really mean it.

Originally posted by HappyBunny
You apparently didn't read the whole thing. Kanin never tried to contact them himself--he simply took the police at their word.

Do we have any reason to believe the police made up the figure of 41% of women expressly admitting to making a false rape allegation?

False Rape Accusations

In his study, Dr. Eugene J. Kanin of Purdue University found that 41% of women who had made rape allegations subsequently admitted to police that they had lied.

To the few men on this thread who see the truth because you have actually LISTENED to what the women in your lives have said about this issue in relaying their own personal experiences, I applaud you

To the rest, you don't get, you don't want to. It is willful ignorance. It will take crossing over to the other side before you will understand.