Was Jesus a yogi?

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You believe whatever you like my friend...

God has no reason to kill in any circumstance... And doesn't for any circumstance... The passages in the bible that show murder rape and torture being commanded by God are lies written by men with agendas.

God has no reason to kill his children... because eventually they will all return to him either way.

As i've said you believe whatever you like... Believe your God is a murderous envious jellous God...

But that is not my God...

I believe the father of Jesus, the true God is above such petty human issues.

According to what you want to believe and you made up.
Irrespective of what you want, the bible states differently, the exact opposite of what you believe in fact.


Does God hate anyone? The answer is yes.

Psalm 5:5, "The boastful shall not stand before Thine eyes; Thou dost hate all who do iniquity,"

Psalm 11:5, "The Lord tests the righteous and the wicked, and the one who loves violence His soul hates."

Lev. 20:23, "Moreover, you shall not follow the customs of the nation which I shall drive out before you, for they did all these things, and therefore I have abhorred them."

Prov. 6:16-19, "There are six things which the Lord hates, yes, seven which are an abomination to Him: 17 Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18 A heart that devises wicked plans, feet that run rapidly to evil, 19 A false witness who utters lies, and one who spreads strife among brothers."

Hosea 9:15, "All their evil is at Gilgal; indeed, I came to hate them there! Because of the wickedness of their deeds I will drive them out of My house! I will love them no more; All their princes are rebels."

Are these verses hard to read? Do they make you feel uncomfortable? They should. God hates sin. But, He does not punish sin. He punishes the sinner. Sin cannot be tied up and thrown into a fire. It cannot be put in a box or glued to a stick. It is rebellion. It is rebellion in the heart. It is breaking God's Law. Sin occurs inside the heart and mind of people. Therefore, God must punish the sinner. Why? Because He is both Holy and Just and the person who sins offends God. God's Holy and Just character will not allow Him to ignore this offense. Why?....

God's Law is Perfect

When God said, "Let there be light," it happened. When He commanded that the oceans be, they came into existence. God's word is powerful. What He says is never futile, empty, or without power.

The Law is a reflection of God's character. It is pure and perfect. It is powerful. The Ten Commandments reflect God's holiness and justice. These commandments are not without punishments. A law without consequences is only an empty slogan.

To sin is to break God's Law and offend His character. To sin means to challenge His character and authority. It means you go against His word. But God is not a liar. His word is true. He has said He will punish the lawbreaker.

But, praise be to God, that while we were yet sinners, Jesus died for us (Rom. 5:6). There is no way we can appease God. That is why God became one of us (John 1:1,14; Heb. 2:17), to take our place and become sin on our behalf (2 Cor. 5:21). Therefore, people have two options:

Trust Jesus, God in flesh, as your savior and put your faith in the sacrifice that He made on the cross and in nothing you do.
Reject the cross and let the penalty of the Law fall upon you.
Either God pays, or you do -- forever. Which will it be?

"For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins," (Heb. 10:26). If there is no sacrifice available for you, then God's wrath abides upon you because He hates sin and your sin is not removed (John 3:36). Trust Jesus alone or the wrath of God will abide upon you forever.

Conclusion

The sobering fact is that God is so holy and righteous that He hates the sinner (Psalm 5:5; Lev. 20:23; Prov. 6:16-19; Hos. 9:15). Some say that we should say that God only hates the sin but loves the sinner. But, the above scriptures speak contrary to that. But it is also true that He is love (1 John 4:8). It is better to accept the love of God found in Jesus than to reject it and suffer His wrath.
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If your own heart despises evil, as it should? How much more would God hate evil and He is pure and perfect.

If your god accepts evil, then by association your god is evil

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Ahh, at least i understand where you're comming from... Another one who condems everyone that doesn't believe what you do... Again feel free...

According to what you want to believe and you made up.

Incorrect... according to what i've studied, and have been studying for many years.

Irrespective of what you want, the bible states differently, the exact opposite of what you believe in fact.

I don't care what "the bible" says, im not christian like i've already told you... Theres only a few books within the bible that have any practical value at all. Most of it can be tossed as far as spiritual knowledge is concerned...

As far as it being a story, its an amazing read... Its just a shame most people miss the real message within.

Does God hate anyone? The answer is yes.

Incorrect...

IF anything he would hate the act of the sin, not the sinner...

Are these verses hard to read? Do they make you feel uncomfortable?

Nope....

They should. God hates sin. But, He does not punish sin. He punishes the sinner. Sin cannot be tied up and thrown into a fire. It cannot be put in a box or glued to a stick. It is rebellion. It is rebellion in the heart. It is breaking God's Law.

Your Gods law... Not mine...

The only sin is lack of love... With understanding of love you can not sin against your fellow man...

Sin occurs inside the heart and mind of people. Therefore, God must punish the sinner. Why? Because He is both Holy and Just and the person who sins offends God. God's Holy and Just character will not allow Him to ignore this offense.

So you fear your Gods wrath... Good luck with that

I do not fear my God... Because i know his son...

When God said, "Let there be light," it happened. When He commanded that the oceans be, they came into existence. God's word is powerful. What He says is never futile, empty, or without power.

God didn't say "let there be light" the author of Genesis did...

To sin is to break God's Law and offend His character. To sin means to challenge His character and authority. It means you go against His word. But God is not a liar. His word is true. He has said He will punish the lawbreaker.

Yet you call your "God" a liar when you claim Jesus is God... Interesting, i wonder what your punishment will be?

Therefore, people have two options:

Trust Jesus, God in flesh, as your savior and put your faith in the sacrifice that He made on the cross and in nothing you do.

I trust Jesus, And i know he wouldn't omit an important factor such as "im God in the flesh"... In fact he rejected the idea that he was God.

By calling him God you also call him a liar... and the one who sent him.

Reject the cross and let the penalty of the Law fall upon you.
Either God pays, or you do -- forever. Which will it be?

I happily reject your Cross... And your church... and all churches for that matter. The best means of understanding the bible is to study it without someone telling you what is correct.... This only leads to judgement of others... As you can clearly see by what you've written thus far.

If your own heart despises evil, as it should? How much more would God hate evil and He is pure and perfect.

Evil does not exist... its simply human selfishness. Sorry i don't believe in fairytales...

IF your God was perfect he would not Hate at all... Hatred is a useless human emotion.

I have NO hate in my life...

If your god accepts evil, then by association your god is evil

IF you understood your saviour, then you would understand my God.

Originally posted by boony
If your own heart despises evil, as it should? How much more would God hate evil and He is pure and perfect.

If your god accepts evil, then by association your god is evil

Oh I do hate evil my friend. I hate it so much I drove it from me. I drove it from me with such furry that never again will anything evil dare to come within reach of my wrath.

No longer is there evil in my world.

This is the last I will even mention the word.

Have you so driven it from your own?

Does your eye rest upon all that is Good?

Does your ear hear only that which is Good?

With Love,

Your Brother

Originally posted by IAMIAM

Originally posted by boony
If your own heart despises evil, as it should? How much more would God hate evil and He is pure and perfect.

If your god accepts evil, then by association your god is evil

Oh I do hate evil my friend. I hate it so much I drove it from me. I drove it from me with such furry that never again will anything evil dare to come within reach of my wrath.

No longer is there evil in my world.

This is the last I will even mention the word.

Have you so driven it from your own?

Does your eye rest upon all that is Good?

Does your ear hear only that which is Good?

With Love,

Your Brother

Not my brother, my brothers dont deny they are human and evil and sinners.
Mathew 7:21 For from within, out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery,

Originally posted by boony

Originally posted by IAMIAM

Originally posted by boony
If your own heart despises evil, as it should? How much more would God hate evil and He is pure and perfect.

If your god accepts evil, then by association your god is evil

Oh I do hate evil my friend. I hate it so much I drove it from me. I drove it from me with such furry that never again will anything evil dare to come within reach of my wrath.

No longer is there evil in my world.

This is the last I will even mention the word.

Have you so driven it from your own?

Does your eye rest upon all that is Good?

Does your ear hear only that which is Good?

With Love,

Your Brother

Not my brother, my brothers dont deny they are human and evil and sinners.
Mathew 7:21 For from within, out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery,

You are correct, my Brother does not have these things within him.

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I believe many of our brothers have these things within them...

But are we not to love them just the same?

Originally posted by Akragon
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I believe many of our brothers have these things within them...

But are we not to love them just the same?

No my friend, my Brothers and Sisters do not have these things within them.

They may have pain and sorrow, they may be burdened beyond bearing, they may be ill without diagnoses, but they still are nothing but Good.

For each offensive action there is an underlying cause. The cause is not the person, but the environment.

You show that you love them by changing their environment to one conducive of creating their best performance.

Bless the meek

Comfort those who mourn

Feed those who are hungry

Ya know...

With Love,

Your Brother

reply to post by IAMIAM


Well said my friend...

As usual you see the light through the clouds

Merry Xmas!

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Merry x-mas to you as well Brother.

It was a very good question, but the error (not yours) was once again due to not reading the scripture fully.

(and the wrong scripture I guess, it was Mark not Mathew)

14And when he had called all the people unto him, he said unto them, Hearken unto me every one of you, and understand: 15There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.

Here Jesus is setting up the parable. It is those things which COME OUT which defile a man, not what goes in.

16If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.

So listen to what people say to know their heart.

17And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable. 18And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him; 19Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats? 20And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. 21For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, 22Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: 23All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

What are these things that come out of men that defile them?

Judgements against other men and women.

It is easier to cast judgements than it is to do God's will, love one another.

Happy Holy day.

With Love,

Your Brother

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Yet again well said my friend, you hit the nail on the head...

I do miss reading your threads...

I hope one day soon something might inspire you to write another

Ignorance is bliss

God Expects Us to Judge

"The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment." (Psa. 37:30) A righteous person will talk of judgment. He will not REFUSE to judge. He will talk judgment.

"Seek good, and not evil, that ye may live: and so the LORD, the God of hosts, shall be with you, as ye have spoken. Hate the evil, and love the good, and establish judgment in the gate: it may be that the LORD God of hosts will be gracious unto the remnant of Joseph." (Amos 5:14-15) How can you hate the evil and love the good if you refuse to judge? You can't. You are SINNING when you refuse to judge.

Our generation is well described in Isaiah 59:8: "The way of peace they know not; and there is no judgment in their goings: they have made them crooked paths: whosoever goeth therein shall not know peace." People have refused to judge, so there is no peace.

Paul said in I Corinthians 1:10 to ". . . be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment." Why would Paul make such a statement if judging is wrong? In I Corinthians 2:15 Paul says, "But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man." Judging is not a sin; judging is a characteristic of being a spiritual person! Satan has been lying to us, hoping that we will NOT judge, because he knows that the right kind of judgment PLEASES God and betters our lives and Christian service.

Someone says, "But should we judge PEOPLE?" Yes, we certainly should. Paul actually REBUKES the Corinthians for NOT judging: "Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints? Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church. I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?" (I Cor. 6:1-5) If judging is wrong, then Paul needs to confess and repent for misleading these Christians! He clearly told them to JUDGE PEOPLE.

If judging people is wrong, how can we obey Romans 16:17-18? II Corinthians 6:17? II Timothy 3:5-6? I John 4:1? Friend, if judging is wrong, then God has contradicted Himself and His words cannot be trusted!

Notice Malachi 3:18: "Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not." WOW! Does that sound like it is wrong to judge?

What about Revelation 2:2? " I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:" Why would the Lord be pleased with these Christians if judging was wrong? Is it not impossible to find someone a "liar" without judging them?

If the Bible is clear about anything, it is clear about the importance of judging on a regular basis in order to properly serve and honor God. To ignore this fact is to ignore all of the Scripture just presented and also the rest of the Bible. God expects us to judge.

God's Rules for Judging

Now I do not wish to imply that we should spend all of our time judging. Sometimes people judge when they have no business doing so. In John 7:24 Jesus tells us to judge RIGHTEOUS judgment. This can only be done by following the rules that God has established in His word. Here follow seven good rules from Scripture:

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Only a fool would accept everything as good

Originally posted by boony
What about Revelation 2:2? " I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:" Why would the Lord be pleased with these Christians if judging was wrong?

Do you know who this is speaking to? It isn't "Christians".

Within the Bible are many names with their version of the truth.

Some came before Jesus.

Some came after.

Jesus was the only one that IS the truth.

So, what did Jesus himself say about Judging?

Judge none lest you yourself be judged, and with what measure you mete, so shall be brought against you.

I judge no man.

If you judge, judge Righteously.

Do not point at the splinter in your Brother's eye, while still blinded by the mote within your own.

If thine eye be evil, pluck it out lest it leads the whole body to damnation.

If thine eye be full of darkness, how dark is it within.

Doesn't the sun shine on the wicked and just alike?



How about I just tell ya in my own words.

If you are doing good for fear of judgement, what profit is there?

Do good for the sake of the good, not for the promise of reward or fear of punishment.

Originally posted by boony
Only a fool would accept everything as good

22“But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, ‘You good-for-nothing,’ shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, ‘You fool,’ shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell. 2

So be it.

With Love,

Your Brother

As I said, and I will say it again
You aint my brother
22“But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, ‘You good-for-nothing,’ shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, ‘You fool,’ shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.

I am not angry with you and I can only assume your worth, so I am not saying you are good for nothing.
But it is foolish what you say, very foolish.
If like all the other delusional fools around here you believe God is a lucky charm you can carry in your pocket, I suggest you go read the old testament.
Start in Genesis were sin caused God to turn from man and read up to Judea being destroyed completely for the same reason, sin.
Dont call me brother, I am no brother to this world.

Originally posted by IAMIAM

How about I just tell ya in my own words.

If you are doing good for fear of judgement, what profit is there?

Do good for the sake of the good, not for the promise of reward or fear of punishment.

So be it.

With Love,

Your Brother

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Yeah your interpretation with no scriptural support at all. In your words because that is not stated in the bible, in your words because you are full of foolish faith.
How about iz just tells yah in Gods words "bruddah"
Revelations 3:16 So, because you are lukewarm--neither hot nor cold--I am about to spit you out of my mouth.

Originally posted by boony

Originally posted by IAMIAM

How about I just tell ya in my own words.

If you are doing good for fear of judgement, what profit is there?

Do good for the sake of the good, not for the promise of reward or fear of punishment.

So be it.

With Love,

Your Brother

edit on 25-12-2011 by IAMIAM because: (no reason given)

Yeah your interpretation with no scriptural support at all. In your words because that is not stated in the bible, in your words because you are full of foolish faith.
How about iz just tells yah in Gods words "bruddah"
Revelations 3:16 So, because you are lukewarm--neither hot nor cold--I am about to spit you out of my mouth.

So in other words, you can't find any scripture of Jesus advising or COMMANDING anyone to judge another?

With Love,

Your Brother

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you are full of foolish faith.

Funny, you took the words right out of my mouth...

I believe if Jesus was here he would say "i do not know you"... like he would say to many christians.

Originally posted by IAMIAM

Originally posted by boony

Originally posted by IAMIAM

How about I just tell ya in my own words.

If you are doing good for fear of judgement, what profit is there?

Do good for the sake of the good, not for the promise of reward or fear of punishment.

So be it.

With Love,

Your Brother

edit on 25-12-2011 by IAMIAM because: (no reason given)

Yeah your interpretation with no scriptural support at all. In your words because that is not stated in the bible, in your words because you are full of foolish faith.
How about iz just tells yah in Gods words "bruddah"
Revelations 3:16 So, because you are lukewarm--neither hot nor cold--I am about to spit you out of my mouth.

So in other words, you can't find any scripture of Jesus advising or COMMANDING anyone to judge another?

With Love,

Your Brother

edit on 25-12-2011 by IAMIAM because: (no reason given)

Not my brother
Why did Jesus attack the moneychangers in the Temple
John 2:13-16
English Standard Version (ESV)
13 The Passover of the Jews was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 14 In the temple he found those who were selling oxen and sheep and pigeons, and the money-changers sitting there. 15 And making a whip of cords, he drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and oxen. And he poured out the coins of the money-changers and overturned their tables. 16 And he told those who sold the pigeons, “Take these things away; do not make my Father's house a house of trade.”

I use scripture, you dont. I bet you just have warm feelings you obey.

Righteous Anger (Ephesians 4:26-27)

26 Be angry, and yet do not sin; do not let the sun go down on your anger, 27 and do not give the devil an opportunity.

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I bet you get your teachings from fairys.
I am not of this world and I am happy to be under Gods judgement, I have Jesus.

Matthew 7:1.
Judge not, that ye be not judged.
Most people will stop right there, and conclude, "Jesus said don't judge." But we've got to read on to see this in context, so that we can determine what he was really saying.
Matthew 7:2.
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with the measure which ye measure with, it shall be measured to you again.
And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thy own eye?
Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thy eye; and, behold, a beam [is] in thy own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thy own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
Now it becomes clear. Jesus wasn't saying, "Don't judge." He was saying, "Don't judge your brother without first judging yourself." His exhortation was to remove the plank or beam from your own eye first, so that you can see clearly to remove the speck of sawdust from your brother's eye.
Part of the problem we have with judging is that when people say "judge" they usually mean or imply "condemn." But judging means much more than that.
"To judge" means "to make a distinction" or "to separate." You judge every day, in every aspect of life. You had to make a judgment in order to decide what clothes to wear today, or what to eat. You are also responsible for judging between truth and error.
When we look at scripture on judging, it is important that we pay attention to who is being addressed.
Romans 2:1.
Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whoever thou art that judgest: for in that thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
At first glance, this verse seems to forbid judging, and to warn that when you judge someone else, you are condemning yourself. But who is it talking to? Those who judge others for doing the same things they are doing. If you fall into that category, then you are indeed condemning yourself when you judge someone else! But this is not a blanket prohibition against judging.
What God wants is not for us to avoid judging, but instead to judge rightly.
Luke 7:40-43.
And Jesus answering said to him, Simon, I have somewhat to say to thee. And he saith, Master, speak.
There was a certain creditor who had two debtors: the one owed five hundred pence, and the other fifty.
And when they had nothing to pay, he frankly forgave them both. Tell me therefore, which of them will love him most?
Simon answered and said, I suppose that [he], to whom he forgave most. And he said to him, Thou hast rightly judged.
In this passage, Jesus invited Simon the Pharisee to make a judgment, then commended him when he judged rightly. God wants us to make right, or righteous, judgments


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Originally posted by boony
Simon answered and said, I suppose that [he], to whom he forgave most. And he said to him, Thou hast rightly judged.
In this passage, Jesus invited Simon the Pharisee to make a judgment, then commended him when he judged rightly. God wants us to make right, or righteous, judgments


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Bad and poor teachings lead to foolish idle talk and the road to destruction
Cheers

to whom he forgave most