Was Jesus a yogi?

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Christianity and your faith are poles apart.
I cant even imagine why you would want to adopt the teachings of Jesus in to your beliefs. He doesnt teach that worshiping rats is acceptable, eating flesh or all Gods can be worshiped. Jesus teaches that all mankind is created equal, Hinduism and Budhism does not teach that at all as referenced.
Poles apart.
Cow worshiping??
Who could keep up.

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Yet worshiping a cross... or even a cross with an image of your dead "saviour" on it... is better?

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keep up with what. all I see is some rambling

Originally posted by Akragon
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Yet worshiping a cross... or even a cross with an image of your dead "saviour" on it... is better?

Yeah you are right on the money there, I certainly cant defend that. I wont even try.
Tell you this but, I dont worship a cross or an image of a dead savior, I distance myself from those people as much as possible.

Scorps seems to imply Jesus supported Hinduism or Budhism yet he states "Jesus never uttered a single word about hinduism or buddhism"
Yet the OP indicates Jesus was a Yogi after a person (Scorps) who identifies himself as a Hindu (I think?) admits that Jesus never even broached the subject.
Not only is that absurd, without any evidence everyone defends the absurd position

You are right Doublemint, I cant keep up with all their ramblings either.
Though you must enjoy it, as here you are.

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Lets hear from some buddhists...

The greatest achievement is selflessness.

Conquer the angry man by love.
Conquer the ill-natured man by goodness.
Conquer the miser with generosity.
Conquer the liar with truth.

So that every new moment is spent not in regret, guilt, fear or anger,
but in wisdom, understanding and love.

viewonbuddhism.org...

You'll find Hinduism beliefs have love all through their scrpiture as well....

Don't believe everything you read bro

Nobody is denying that Budhism and Hinduism dont have any good moral values.
I cant reconcile calling Jesus teachings with Budhisms or Hinduism simmilar.
Hinduism and Budhism dont teach that their is one single God.
Jesus was not a Yogi.
Budhism doesnt have a God and Hinduism teaches many gods, Jesus taught ONE God
“For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; …I am the Lord; and there is none else.”
irreconcilable.
Jesus wasnt a Yogi, anything other than that is not just conjecture, its opposite to what Jesus himself taught.
I cant see why thats hard to understand?

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yogi is just a word to discribe a spiritual master...

Would you not consider Jesus exactly that?

No he was God, not just a spiritual master. Jesus was part of the Trinity (and that is a whole other dimension that Christians accept by faith) not just an enlightened human.

Originally posted by boony
No he was God, not just a spiritual master. Jesus was part of the Trinity (and that is a whole other dimension that Christians accept by faith) not just an enlightened human.

Not all Christians accept the trinity... In fact it was a fabrication, made by the church over 300 years after his death... None of the apostles taught the trinity, nor did Jesus.

I and my father are one, does not mean equality... the quote by Thomas... "my lord and my God" doesn't mean he was God either...

Jesus never once claimed to be God, if he was he would have said "i am God" or he was lying by omition... he didn't lie so again he was not God.

Theres even a passage where he specifically denied being God when a group of jews where ready to stone him... They're quote.... "we are going to stone you because, being a man you make yourself God" and his reply... You want to stone me because i said i am the son of God?

He questions them because he was NOT God nor did he claim to be...

Either way you're free to believe whatever you like... but there is no evidence that he was God... Some of the writers of the bible claimed he was... HE did not, Not even one time...IF he did, they would have wrote it down somewhere within the pages of said book.

I suppose its better you worship him then anyone else... but remember one theme that he said through out the books... There is one greater then he... His father. The one true God

You're basing your belief that he is God on an assumption propagated by the church...

And its incorrect

Have you ever met a real yogi?
I do, as I practise yoga.

And by seeing my teachers and the other guys there i can say with property that if Jesus wasn't one, he was at least close to be one. They teach about one god, and how everythig is founded in love and light and all that stuff, basically the same speech jesus used to "say" in the bible. I don't acredit the bible anyway, but still.

Just FYI, en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by Akragon

Originally posted by boony
No he was God, not just a spiritual master. Jesus was part of the Trinity (and that is a whole other dimension that Christians accept by faith) not just an enlightened human.

Not all Christians accept the trinity... In fact it was a fabrication, made by the church over 300 years after his death... None of the apostles taught the trinity, nor did Jesus.

I and my father are one, does not mean equality... the quote by Thomas... "my lord and my God" doesn't mean he was God either...

Jesus never once claimed to be God, if he was he would have said "i am God" or he was lying by omition... he didn't lie so again he was not God.

Theres even a passage where he specifically denied being God when a group of jews where ready to stone him... They're quote.... "we are going to stone you because, being a man you make yourself God" and his reply... You want to stone me because i said i am the son of God?

He questions them because he was NOT God nor did he claim to be...

Either way you're free to believe whatever you like... but there is no evidence that he was God... Some of the writers of the bible claimed he was... HE did not, Not even one time...IF he did, they would have wrote it down somewhere within the pages of said book.

I suppose its better you worship him then anyone else... but remember one theme that he said through out the books... There is one greater then he... His father. The one true God

You're basing your belief that he is God on an assumption propagated by the church...

And its incorrect

According to your opinion and understanding, and I hounestly believe it is faulted.
At the beginning of the bible in Genesis we see God create with the Word and the Spirit.
The presence of both God and the Spirit of God in these verses is obvious. However, Jesus is represented in the spoken Word of God indicated by "God said..." How do we know that the voice of God refers to Jesus? First we know this because the Bible indicates that the voice of God is a person. After the fall of man Scripture states in Genesis 2:8, "And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden." Here the Bible says that God's voice was walking and that it had a presence. Also, in John 1:1-3 we are told that Jesus is the Word of God, that He was with God from the beginning, and that nothing was made without Him

Its not just an assumption propagated by the church, its in the Bible, I read it and study the bible regularly.
To suggest what you have is not valid

We can see further evidence of the trinity in God's discourse on the creation of mankind. " And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness." (Genesis 1:26a) In this Scripture, God refers to Himself in the plural. He says "Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness." In agreement with His Word, God created man as a triune being - a reflection of God's image. Mankind is a spirit, housed in a body, that has a soul. "And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." (1st Thessalonians 5:23)

We also see the concept of the trinity of God carried over to the New Testament. A physical manifestation of the trinity is seen in Matthew 3:16-17, "And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." Here we have three distinct yet simultaneous presentations: God the Father, Jesus the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Jesus is being baptized, the Holy Spirit descends on Him in the form of a dove, and God the Father is speaking from Heaven at the same time.

The trinity is defined explicitly in 1st John 5:7, "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." God cannot be more clear than in this Scripture. There are THREE bearing record in Heaven and these three are ONE. The three being one means that there are three in unity or tri-unity resulting in the word trinity. It does not say that there is ONE who manifests as THREE.


Without reading Gods word what do you base your beliefs of the church on,

You have been fooled

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S&F

You couldn't have said it any better!

"People are separating themselves from half the world because they worship a different form of the formless."

Jesus never argued over "knowledge" or information, nor did he attempt to bolster himself with show of his intellect. He spoke the Truth of self-evident gnosis. It is quite obvious that he looked within himself.... deeply within himself to discover the Truth that enlightened men throughout the ages have discovered. It is the same self-evident Truth that transcends all.

I don't know enough about Hinduism to make a comparison... but I can say with certainty that Jesus Christ ate from the same fruit as Lord Buddha.

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Lets put aside your silly assumptions about me and what i've studied first off...

Genesis is flawed... so using that as evidence of anything is a waste of time.

Also, in John 1:1-3 we are told that Jesus is the Word of God, that He was with God from the beginning, and that nothing was made without Him

This is John speaking... not Jesus... So again you'll find that Jesus did not call himself God, no matter how hard you try to find it... you won't.

Its not just an assumption propagated by the church, its in the Bible, I read it and study the bible regularly.
To suggest what you have is not valid

Again with your assumptions...

The church pushed the trinity, it was not taught by the appostles or Jesus... If you'd put down the bible once in a while and look for evidence you'll find that 1 john 5-7 has controversy all over it... Its generally thought by most scholars that this these verses were added sometime within the 15-16th century... And they are not found in older versions of the greek text. Even some trinitarian scholars admit it was added... But im not doing your research for you... believe whatever you like...

Without reading Gods word what do you base your beliefs of the church on

I base my beliefs about the church on the lies they teach their people... They use fear as a conversion tactic, and most do not understand their own "saviour"...

Trinitarianism is just incorrect... but that is my opinion

IF you'd listen to your saviours words you'd understand that...

Your lord told you there is ONE God.... Not three... Not three that make up one... Just one. And that one did NOT include Jesus... He was a part of God, but not God.... He would have said it himself if he was God.

But he didn't... This is what he said...

Matthew 19:17
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

And lets not forget what he said in John...


SO you believe your trinity...

And i will continue to call it a lie propagated by the early church fathers...

Unfortunatly you are the one that has been fooled by the words of other men... Not me

And BTW... this is not the topic of this thread.

The answer is yes i believe...

Jesus was a yogi techically if you define that term as a "spiritual master"...

Meditation is used throughout the bible... Though its been omitted by most religions...

Garenteed Jesus meditated regularly... you can find hints of it within his teachings

Prayer is a form of meditation as well

Either Genesis is flawed or you are. My money is on you being wrong as everything else you say is based on opinion, not true biblical teaching

Lets assume prayer is meditation, How.
"But when you pray, go to your room, close the door and pray with your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. And when you pray, do not keep babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him. 'This, then is how you should pray: Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us today our daily bread. Forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.'" (Matthew 6:613)

Jesus taught we as Christians are to ponder the glory of God and fill our minds with the Holy things of him.Some Christians get a little skeptical when you start talking about meditation—not seeing the huge distinction between biblical meditation and some types of mystical meditation. In mystical meditation, according to one explanation, “the rational mind is shifted into neutral . . . so that the psyche can take over.” The focus is inward, and the aim is to “become one with God.”
In contrast, biblical meditation focuses on the things of the Lord, and its purpose is to renew our minds (Rom. 12:2) so that we think and act more like Christ. Its objective is to reflect on what God has said and done (Ps. 77:12; 119:15-16,97) and on what He is like (48:9-14).
In Psalm 19:14, David wrote, “Let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable in Your sight, O Lord.” Other psalms reflect on God’s love (48:9), His deeds (77:12), His law (119:97), and His testimonies (119:99).
Fill your mind with Scripture and focus on the Lord’s commands and promises and goodness. And remember this: Whatever is true, noble, just, pure, lovely, and of good report, “if there is any virtue and if there is anything praiseworthy—meditate on these things” (Phil. 4:8).

Meditation teaches we are to empty our minds. These positions are opposite.
Meditation teaches chanting, Jesus taught not to chant
You ARE wrong again, the constant theme here is you are constantly wrong in your understanding of the bible. To try and usurp its teachings is a joke.
You have nothing to offer. Like the OP. You think, YOU THINK Jesus was a Yogi and you want me to accept that

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Either Genesis is flawed or you are. My money is on you being wrong as everything else you say is based on opinion, not true biblical teaching

I'd take that bet...

Lets assume prayer is meditation, How.

Notice i said it was a "form" of meditation... More accurately a less efficient form of it.

"But when you pray, go to your room, close the door and pray with your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. And when you pray, do not keep babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him. 'This, then is how you should pray: Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us today our daily bread. Forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.'"

Thank you for supplying this passage...

I underlined your hint...

Jesus taught we as Christians are to ponder the glory of God and fill our minds with the Holy things of him.Some Christians get a little skeptical when you start talking about meditation

Some...

Not all. You might find that many "christians" meditate... They are usually the wiser ones honestly.

Meditation teaches we are to empty our minds.

Some meditation tells you to empty your mind... If you're not comfortable with it, don't use it...

Meditation teaches chanting,

Not always...

You ARE wrong again, the constant theme here is you are constantly wrong in your understanding of the bible. To try and usurp its teachings is a joke.

I don't recall being "wrong" as of yet...


And we're not done yet.

Watch me "usurp" the bible's teachings before your eyes....

If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through.

Usurp...

From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. "Go up baldhead," they shouted, "go up baldhead!" The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces.

Usurp...

Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city.

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You have nothing to offer. Like the OP. You think, YOU THINK Jesus was a Yogi and you want me to accept that

Yogi is just a term defining a man that fully understands the spirit... Nothing more...

And i didn't ask you to accept anything... I said Believe whatever you want...

But back to your question...

Lets assume prayer is meditation, How.

Prayer is talking to God...

Meditation is listening...

I think you have made a Boo Boo, Jesus was not a Yogi and the lack of evidence proves it.
What you believe is whatever you like. Thats fine, its still wrong.

Christian meditation is taught via scripture
B. TO REACH THE HEIGHTS OF SPIRITUAL MEDITATION, HEED THE COUNSEL OF
THE PSALMS...
1. Make the Bible your primary focus for meditation - Ps 1:2
2. Read it contemplatively every day - Ps 1:2; 119:15
3. Read it with a prayer in your heart - cf. Ps 119:18
4. As you read, occasionally read it aloud to yourself
a. The Hebrew word in Ps 1:2 means "to mutter"
b. Reading slowly and audibly helps to focus one's mind on the
words
5. As you read, you might ask yourself the following questions:
a. Is there some truth I should know from this verse?
b. How does this passage affect a previously held conviction?
c. Is there something I should stop doing in light of this
verse?
d. Is there a practice I should change?
e. Is there a habit I ought to begin?
6. To put it another way: "Hold the Word of God in your heart
until it has affected every phase of your life...this is
meditation."

Its not daydreaming or chanting, its not like eastern meditation, but you can keep ignoring what I say.

and how does any of those scriptures usurp the bible, thats just your babble?

Originally posted by boony
and how does any of those scriptures usurp the bible, thats just your babble?

Its not babble... Those scriptures are within the bible...

It also says Kill homosexuals, and bad parents... etc etc etc...

Those that believe that the "entire bible" is truth... are only fooling themselves.

And yes i know what "christian" meditation is... im not ignoring what you say. Im Not Christian, so that style of meditation is useless to me...

Jesus was not a Yogi and the lack of evidence proves it.
What you believe is whatever you like. Thats fine, its still wrong.

What lack of evidence? Jesus was a spiritual master, that is undeniable... Theres more evidence of that then there is for him being God...

Wrong according to who? You?

LOL im ok with that honestly

At least you're right about one thing... I do believe what i like. It comes very natural... but what i believe is what Jesus said... Not the bible as a whole.

Its true those statements are in scripture but how in your mind does that usurp scripture.
Those statements teach that the ultimate outcome of sin is death, the whole old Testament teaches the ultimate outcome of sin is destruction. God cant relate to sin or sinners so their destruction is the only outcome possible.
Sin= DEATH
There is no issue with those statements, that is the teachings that the bible is trying to show humanity.
Sin and God will destroy you and the world. Read the bible. God destroys sinners. God cant relate to sin, hence Jesus sacrifice/self offering. How many of your Yogis can and have done that.
You havnt usurped anything, just shown the fact you are under the curse of sin and its ultimate judgement without Christs redemption.
You according to the bible are under the law of death and sin, I have accepted I am 1. a sinner, 2 Jesus is God and has been sacrificed in my place, 3 saved through Jesus death at Calvary.
All you have done is stated the blatantly obvious, Usurped the bible?? Hardly?? Understood it better, maybe?

God is not some cute and cuddly santa figure as some try and portray.