Anarchy Would Be Good

Originally posted by Blue Shift

Most people advocating anarchy just have no idea how instantly brutal and forceful some ordinary guy like myself could get, given the proper circumstances. And with the amount of heavy firearms and explosives there are available on every street (at least here in America), you can forget about some kind of frontier style civil code -- which isn't real anarchy anyway.

Couldn't have said it better myself. There would be no rules, only ruin.

There seems to be some assumption that there is a 'perfect' system, yet surely everything is a work in progress, right? There are things that are badly wrong with all current forms of society - but there are very many good tihngs about capitalism that are conveniently forgotten or brushed aside, in the pursuit of la-de-da anarchist fantasies

Did it work? Damn right it did. Anarchy doesn't mean "no rules" it simply means "no rulers".

Also remember all of humanity lived in a state of anarchy until the invention of agriculture

Then why is that each historic or pre-historic culture always developed something like rulers/leaders..and be it the local village leader or Apache leader or whatever other "person in control" which you can find in almost ANY society and culture?

Because humans per se are unable to function truly "independent" from each other...they will always organize into some hierarchy. The fact that a hierarchy would change from a "ruling government which makes laws"...into some Anarchist group-thing would not make it an anarchy, it would be the same thing just mirrored on a smaller scale...and there will always be laws and the people who made them/agreed to them...and SOME people who do not agree with the laws. I rally think that Anarchy is even more utopic than capitalism or communism and would never work out.

reply to post by ComeFindMe

Text but there are very many good tihngs about capitalism that are conveniently forgotten or brushed aside, in the pursuit of la-de-da anarchist fantasies

I think many would disagree.

And why do you need to resort to saying "la-de-da anarchist fantasies"?

Is that telling? Or are you just being rude?

Originally posted by Blue Shift

Originally posted by steveknows
Anarchy would be great for you OP until someone comes after you with a gun and you can't call a cop.

Most people advocating anarchy just have no idea how instantly brutal and forceful some ordinary guy like myself could get, given the proper circumstances. And with the amount of heavy firearms and explosives there are available on every street (at least here in America), you can forget about some kind of frontier style civil code -- which isn't real anarchy anyway.

How brutal can you get? Are you saying that if we had anarchy you would grab a gun and start shooting? Who would? And I say bring it on. There are more good people than bad. We would kick your ass.

reply to post by theovermensch


lol. anacrhists have >>feelings

I think anarchy is just starting process before the world settles down to begin a new ages of reason to not want greed or power , just love and to truly live your life and celebrate everyday as it comes . I believe everyone on
This earth are so dumb down, and believe every word the fat cats have said to us. as the years pass they trap us more and more soon it will be to late . We are all the same we are one , why are we not showing this , they hide so much information from us , we will be shocked when we find out the truth . They have band all the drugs that will break us out from the norm. '___' I'm goin To preach about this drug but ooh my . I have no fear now it is the forbidden fruit we are not spepose to eat . You will look at the world from a whole different perspective ,tv is a big part of there plan brainwashing don't watch tv !! Well some program's are alright but don't believe everything remember they manipulate everything in there favour . The bad guys in films that are trying to break the system like die hard 4.0 he's is kinda doing us a favour , freeing us but they have made to seem like it bad to do that !! I say no we all hit them at once !!! We take back what is ours not sit on our couches watching same old # day in day out !!! I'm only 21 but I'm tired Of this life already . Fight back fight back .

The men fighting in there wars will side with family at home ! Not the control freaks

Sorry any Incorrect spelling failed English ha ha ha and proud because I rely on my intuison to get me through life


Peace and love after the fight

reply to post by flexy123

Text Then why is that each historic or pre-historic culture always developed something like rulers/leaders..and be it the local village leader or Apache leader or whatever other "person in control" which you can find in almost ANY society and culture?

I think there is a big difference between an Roman leader and an Apache leader.

The Apache leader is not particularly interested in exploiting his people. The Roman leader is very interested.
Anarchy does not have to be void of leadership.

Originally posted by theovermensch
I like your thread. I think you present your case alot better than I do.

I think you are right. They want us dependant. They need us dependant.

Thank you, but I think Matteroni put it even better than I!

They absolutely want us dependent. Dependency = control, it's as simple as that. They've also duped us into believing that we need the systems that they invented to control us, when in fact we lived for millenia with no need for political systems. We human beings are not so stupid and hopeless that we can't form naturally harmonious societies without being herded like sheep. We are not sheep - it's the herding that has made us into sheep.

And as for medicines... not to tempt fate, but I haven't been to see a doctor in 6 or 7 years. I don't take painkillers for headaches and I believe most so-called medication does more harm than good. I simply eat healthily and exercise, and when I've got the flu I grin and bare. Obviously accidents do happen, and there is a need for emergency services, but there's no reason surgeons and doctors shouldn't exist in a non-governed world. In fact, it would probably encourage all of us to learn basic survival and medical skills, for the sake of self-reliance.

reply to post by Cythraul


I agree with your post. However I disagree with extreme libertarianism being 'smart anarchy'. Anarchy doesn't have market, and, of course, money.

reply to post by Matteroni


The 'anarchy is chaos' premise is based on the behaviour of today's society. Some people rob because they are engaged to material things, and some because they need it (food). Guess what caused this situation?

Anarchism isn't the philosophy of living isolated, living in the woods or something like that. I have no problem imagining a society of mutual agreement developing medicines. It's not like it would disappear.

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Its just that I cant shoot you in the face over the internet. (humour) #Nanny State mods

And if you want to give an opinion give it.

No need to be rude.

Anarchy isn't what most people think it is. Anarchy isn't violent revolt or chaos. It is simply the ability of society to care for itself without government or laws. It's a great goal, one we should be working towards but we are no where near ready for it as of now, sadly.

Violence in the name of anarchy is an oxymoron.

reply to post by theovermensch

"Capitalism isnt working."

What capitalism? You have no idea what you're talking about. To think the USA is capitalist is very foolish.

Those of us somewhat stuck in the US borders will suffer in a permanent financial doom much like the USSR did for the specific reason that the USA is now a very socialist economy. The groundwork has been being laid for an century. The USA is over.

Only returning to the capitalism that made us great can cause a restoration of the economy.

reply to post by theovermensch


You bag free-trade and then tout anarchy. Even with no rules, I'm still going to try to sell you some Coca-Cola. You're confusing social liberty with economic liberty. Capitalism incorporates freedom of trade of goods and services and has nothing to do with being able to have a fight club.

reply to post by theovermensch


Well, thats good - disagreement generally leads to debate

To be completely honest, my experience of anarchists / supporters of anarchy (online and in real life) has essentially been a pattern of vague statements based on wishful thinking (sentiments along the lines of "if someone robbed me, i'd just get a mob and kill them" etc). These I believe must be fantasies - as the closest thing to an anarchist state in the world right now - Somalia - is so f**ked up that it couldn't ever be considered a positive endorsement of the theory.

We have locked horns on a similar issue before, overmensch - so I know you to be a reasonable person - rudeness on my part (to reasonable people anyway ) is never intended.

However, what is annoying is that a large number of pro-anarchist posters here base their entire argument on the assumption that there would be no contradiction in moral values between people, that the majority of people would support a move to an anarchist state and / or that none of the inevitable downsides (lack of clean water or sanitation, lack of medicine, removal of all infrastructures eg internet, gas and electricity supplies etc) simply 'wouldn't matter'.

Originally posted by seachange
reply to post by theovermensch

 

"Capitalism isnt working."

What capitalism? You have no idea what you're talking about. To think the USA is capitalist is very foolish.

Those of us somewhat stuck in the US borders will suffer in a permanent financial doom much like the USSR did for the specific reason that the USA is now a very socialist economy. The groundwork has been being laid for an century. The USA is over.

Only returning to the capitalism that made us great can cause a restoration of the economy.

If you read the thread I have already said that we dont have true capitalism. Any idiot can see that. And you can take your McCarthyist rantings elsewhere. It is not socialist. It is crony/state capitalism slash corporatism. Any idiot can see that. I thought it went without saying.

reply to post by steveknows


Since when is government the only provider of infrastructure? Some of the best infrastructure, healthcare, roads, education and utility suppliers in the world are provided by free enterprise according to demand. Sure beats incentive-deflating socialism sucking everyone's money by force to blow on infrastructure bureaucrats are hoping people need.

Originally posted by ComeFindMe
reply to post by theovermensch

 

Well, thats good - disagreement generally leads to debate

To be completely honest, my experience of anarchists / supporters of anarchy (online and in real life) has essentially been a pattern of vague statements based on wishful thinking (sentiments along the lines of "if someone robbed me, i'd just get a mob and kill them" etc). These I believe must be fantasies - as the closest thing to an anarchist state in the world right now - Somalia - is so f**ked up that it couldn't ever be considered a positive endorsement of the theory.

We have locked horns on a similar issue before, overmensch - so I know you to be a reasonable person - rudeness on my part (to reasonable people anyway

) is never intended.

However, what is annoying is that a large number of pro-anarchist posters here base their entire argument on the assumption that there would be no contradiction in moral values between people, that the majority of people would support a move to an anarchist state and / or that none of the inevitable downsides (lack of clean water or sanitation, lack of medicine, removal of all infrastructures eg internet, gas and electricity supplies etc) simply 'wouldn't matter'.

I agree. I didnt recognise you

I had someone tell me I was up for a "purity experiment" today.

And sorry I like your style,I contradict myself because I am against people being muzzled and people should say what they really feel.

reply to post by ComeFindMe


And I see your point about the lack of planning.

I guess that is what I like about Tyler Durden,he doesnt worry about what comes after,he is focused on what is in front of him.

Originally posted by theovermensch
I agree. But anarchy would be survival of the fittest. Dont you think we get devolution the way things are?

Yeah, that's easy to say now.

Let me know how you like it after someone has clubbed your brains out of your skull for the shoes on your feet.

Why do people who start these conversations always think they'll be the ones to live?

Todays world does not make me feel trapped or impotent.

I feel powerful, capable and free. I have a great life that allows me to do what i want to do, when i want to do. Life is good! Dont dare bring your anarchy here, ill fight those who want to tear down all i worked so hard to create.