College Mate: Obama Was an “Ardent” “Marxist-Leninist”

I WISH Obama was a Marxist!

But his actions as President show that he is a corporatist through and through.

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OK so that means we have no one to vote for now. Right? The republicans have no real candidates and the incumbent is a commie. No one left.... What's that? Gingrich for president? That guy is the biggest loser the planet has ever seen.

So what do we want? Commie or Mega Loser? How about neither. You got any bright ideas about who we should vote for? Keep in mind that a republican president will do to America what that prick governor is doing to Wisconsin.

Where the hell is Eisenhower when we need him?

Occupy.

Obama is just the current puppet for the Wall Street Government. Call him what you like, but everything he does will be decided by his Wall Street owners. You think the next guy's gonna be any different? Unless it's Ron Paul, you will have more of the same.

Originally posted by Yazman
This guy has never even read the book. It was Lenin who advocated the building of a state and the usage of existing apparatus, not Marx. Marx was very critical of reformists and authoritarians. To say the communist manifesto advocates "enslavement of the people for the benefit of the government" is ignorant in the extreme (at best), particularly when it's a document that advocates direct democracy. The Communist Manifesto talks of destroying the apparatus that the ruling class uses to maintain its power, NOT maintaining and exploiting it. That was Lenin's goal, not Marx's.

How sad that such a well through out and factual post only has the 1 star I've given it. But there you go, your post was probably too long and well written for the political-illiterates to grasp.

Originally posted by kimar
I WISH Obama was a Marxist!

But his actions as President show that he is a corporatist through and through.

He is not there to implement marxism, but to set up the US for collapse - only after that will they implement whatever it is they have in mind!

Originally posted by kimar
I WISH Obama was a Marxist!

But his actions as President show that he is a corporatist through and through.

If you want to get textbook, Obama and members of his cabal are Collectivists in nature. Basically, he believes we should not work for our own living, but for the lives of others instead. Individuals mean nothing to him, it’s the “collective” that’s important. Don’t support yourself, the government will support you.

The statistics reflect a rapid shift and heavy imbalance in our country as more and more people pay fewer federal taxes and more and more people collect federal assistance while the numbers of those paying for it continue to decrease. Obama's main goal is to take the nation to the tipping point socially and economically. The class warfare rhetoric and us vs. them mentality is caustic and unhealthy for a struggling nation. But, it seems to work great if you want to lead the nation into to chaos.

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I felt as though I had to vote for McCain. But now I agree with you, there's no way I could vote for any repub. other than RP.

Originally posted by jibeho

Originally posted by Atzil321
Whats wrong with communism exactly? I can never understand why americans hate marxism so much. Why not take the time to read The Communist Manifesto and try to understand it? Rather than just hate on it because that's the american way......

Because socialism (derived from marxism) fails every time and is failing before our eyes in Europe as we speak. I don't want that in my nation nor did my relatives who died fighting against its spread.

I don't believe in socialism, communism, or any one system for that matter. And I'm not saying you are wrong but do you really think capitalism works? Our government is comprised of corporate Democrats and corporate Republicans. Corporations rule our government and country.

You bring up your relatives fighting against it. So what are the soldiers in Iraq, Afghanistan, and in Africa really fighting for? Are they really fighting for our freedom? Don't you think that we have less freedom now than before? We have a big problem all across the world, you should open your eyes and realize that we need change. Not Obama's definition of change but a real change in the system where it's not rigged to make the rich get richer and poor get poorer.

These Elites have been planning all along for centuries of control. Capitalism is just a delusion where majority of the people become slaves but making them think like they actually have freedom. It doesn't work. You are saying socialism and communism have failed time and time again. Well wake up, capitalism is failing big time and you are in denial.

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Capitalism works just fine. Our problem is that it has been allowed to influence our nations legislature on all fronts. Capitalism will still work in its pure form as long as we can rid DC of its influence. Just read today that GE spent $84 million in lobbying fees between 2008 and 2010 and we all know they paid zero taxes. We need politicians who are in the job for their constituents and not for themselves or their careers. Strict term limits would be on of the best ways to curb the influence in DC.

Originally posted by jibeho
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Capitalism works just fine... We need politicians who are in the job for their constituents and not for themselves or their careers.

You are contradicting your self here. This is one of the many reasons why it doesn't work. These politicians are getting bought out even before they take the office and the corporations that bought them out want to get paid exponentially when they take the office. Do you think the bailouts were by choice? Just look at who funded Obama to become POTUS. The biggest contributors are corporations and they always get their retribution.

Term limits is the fastest way to limit the power of lobbies. It should be the #1 priority of the voter, and if enough of us scream loud enough we can make it happen.

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Not really, you clipped out my mention for a dire need of reform on Capital Hill. It has to start at the root of the problem which in my opinion is Capital hill.

Two term limit consecutive or split in both the House and Senate
Campaign finance overhaul
lobbying restrictions and governance
Eliminate the fox guarding the hen house

Then move on to a flat tax or a FAIR tax system, break up the redundant govt. agencies and the over regulating agencies and on and on it goes. Sure, its a pipe dream but our nation cannot maintain its current path and status quo that is leading it there. We are closer than ever to a full blown collapse and life as we know it if we maintain the current pace.

Its complicated and has been compounded by our current president and the ideology that guides him.

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Besides the lobbyist. If you look at the big picture, capitalism is a system of ownership in which the capitalist owns both the work place and means of production, under which employees work for employers. It was designed to preserve the rich, not the general public. Just read a chapter from "The Ragged-Trousered Philanthropists" called The Great Money Trick. It simply explains why it doesn't work.

Originally posted by 46ACE

Originally posted by Atzil321
Whats wrong with communism exactly? I can never understand why americans hate marxism so much. Why not take the time to read The Communist Manifesto and try to understand it? Rather than just hate on it because that's the american way......

Because it looks great on paper on campus; but somehow just never seems to turn out that way in application. Through all the fancy party speak doubletalk Comrades at the top universally increase their power base and enrich themselves and their cronies at the expense of the people sacrificing for the state.Too much power in the hands of too few. Bloody history will bear this out :

( wait for it.... wait ..for ..it)
"but thats' not "real communism"the book smart apologists all shout back in unison .
Whatever your goodhearted intellect gets from the manifesto: it's a means of consolidating and holding onto centralised power
And turns murderous rather rapidly.

Death to communists.no discussion in mybook.

edit on 13-12-2011 by 46ACE because: (no reason given)

Isn't that what we have now? Capitalism or communism, they're both an ogliarchy...

We don't need some shady figure from Obama's past to conclude that he is a Marxist. Although I do believe that is why Obama has his college records sealed.

Originally posted by blackrain17
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Besides the lobbyist. If you look at the big picture, capitalism is a system of ownership in which the capitalist owns both the work place and means of production, under which employees work for employers. It was designed to preserve the rich, not the general public. Just read a chapter from "The Ragged-Trousered Philanthropists" called The Great Money Trick. It simply explains why it doesn't work.

I am quite comfortable working for someone else and if I was not, I would venture out on my own in the entrepreneurial spirit that helped build our capitalist nation. The same system that supports a lifestyle like no other in the world. Which creates good and bad. Unfortunately, we have a president who insists on creating the bad with his devise class warfare rhetoric. Now, we simply have a massive envy problem in this country evidenced by the caustic Occupy movement.

I want my American Exceptionalism back! You know the concept of choosing ones destiny, striving for success, the ability to move up, down, or side to side all based on the will and fortitude of the individual. Totally opposite of Obama's collectivist ideology.

Originally posted by buster2010
If socialism is such a failure then why are we depending on a socialist country to bail us out?

If socialism is such a success, then why is socialist-europe depending on us to bail them out?

America wouldn't be having the financial problems it has if it had not indulged in socialist type behaviors ... like BAILOUTS. The fault for this is with both Bush43 and Obama. Capitalism without the fear of bankruptcy is like Christianity without the fear of Hell. It just doesnt' work and it isn't authentic.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
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If socialism is such a success, then why is socialist-europe depending on us to bail them out?

What's going on in Europe is yet another failure of unregulated big money. Nothing to do with "socialism." We wouldn't be bailing out "socialists" we'd be (for example) bailing out banks that made bad investments.

Originally posted by jibeho

Well, consider the words of John Drew, a man whom writer Paul Kengor calls “Obama’s Missing Link.” A contemporary of Obama’s at Occidental College three decades ago, Drew says that he himself was a Marxist at the time — and part of Obama’s inner circle. And what does he reveal?

Obama was an “ardent” “Marxist-Leninist” who “was in 100 percent, total agreement with [his] Marxist professors,” said Drew.

In fact, Drew states that while he was a more nuanced Marxist who tried to convince Obama that old-style communist revolution was unrealistic in the West, the future President would have none of it and considered Drew a “reactionary.”

It took me 10 seconds to google and discover this John Drew didn't attend Occidental College at the same time as Pres. Obama and by his own admission only saw - possibly met him - twice in his lifetime.

BS is exhausting....

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The issue has already been brought up in this short thread had you actually read through it.

Drew just seems to be a little foggy with his dates. Just like Obama. Prerequisite to attend Occidental I guess.


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