Obama Begs Iran to Give Him Back His Toy Plane

Originally posted by FlySolo
May I ask seeing your Jewish, do you believe Iran would really nuke Israel and do you feel you still need America to defend you?

I believe Iran is waiting for a nuke to be ready first. If they achieve it, they will at one time or another attempt to strike.

If it's all a matter of one vs one, I have all the confident in the world that we will not need the help of the US in a war against Iran. Seeing as an attack on Iran means automatically and instantly a barrage of rockets from Hezbollah, Hamas and maybe even Syria, and a chance that Russia intervenes aswell (seeing as they've already sent their pilots against us in the past), I feel the need for the US to aid us.

Just like Iran will put their hopes on China and Russia.

reply to post by IsraeliGuy


but then Israel would nuke Iran. They may be many things but i don't think the Iranians are suicidal.

Originally posted by IsraeliGuy

Originally posted by FlySolo
May I ask seeing your Jewish, do you believe Iran would really nuke Israel and do you feel you still need America to defend you?

I believe Iran is waiting for a nuke to be ready first. If they achieve it, they will at one time or another attempt to strike.

If it's all a matter of one vs one, I have all the confident in the world that we will not need the help of the US in a war against Iran. Seeing as an attack on Iran means automatically and instantly a barrage of rockets from Hezbollah, Hamas and maybe even Syria, and a chance that Russia intervenes aswell (seeing as they've already sent their pilots against us in the past), I feel the need for the US to aid us.

Just like Iran will put their hopes on China and Russia.

Israel as nukes correct? Do you believe Ahmadinejad would do a one single strike suicide mission? No matter how crazy he may sound to be. Let me use an analogy here. You know those tiny yappy dogs on their owner's leash barking at a large dog? What would happen if the owner dropped the leash?

The world has been there before. The 60's Cuba missile crisis, the cold war, N. Korea. All of these events have been handled with diplomacy.

Right now, it is not in China's best interest to side with Ahmadinejad. The world stage is currently the global economy and god knows how long it will take before that gets fixed. 10, 20, 40 years? Not to mention this is going to be another decade of revolts and transitions throughout the globe. You have time on your side.

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Really,Can you show the evidence that Building 7 was hit by a plane?
I am waiting for you to prove the BS you post.

Originally posted by hmdphantom
We never say death to American people . We say death to America ..

Which is death to Americans.

So , IMO , it is just a point that translators refuse to tell you.

The Iranian gov't has a strangle-hold on the poor Iranians. It's Iranians that aren't told the truth or allowed freedoms. Example - homosexuals are hung in the public square and that nutcase president tells the world that there are no homosexuals in Iran.

Iran wants to be dominant in Middle East , but it won't come through Nuclear Missile.

keep spitting out those government lies ... it sounds like you actually believe them. Irans claims of peaceful power from it's nuclear program is ABSURD. No one believes it because it simply isn't true.

US claims Iran shouldn't have nuclear weapon , but it always threats to attack Iran's nuclear power plant.

Iran threatens death to America .. and you wonder why we don't want it to have a nuclear bomb .. a nuclear bomb that it is clearly making? Really .. you can't see why?

But we know that 12th Imam will not arrive by force

Dude .. the so-called 12 Imam will NEVER arrive because he was made up by a fake religion ... a religion based upon lies by a mass murdering liar named Muhammad. He never had visions from God .. he lied to the people in order to gain power and money. He mass murdered .. he lied ... he was a pedophile. His qu'ran is absurd, full of contradictions and errors and mysogyny .. oh, and Abraham was NEVER in Mecca (it's impossible).

And no .. Jesus won't be coming with the 12th Imam. The 12 Imam is a myth.
Jesus can hold his own and come all on his own.

reply to post by FlyersFan


considering that catholics are child rapists why are you mocking others beliefs?
Protestants know that Vatican and catholics is the antichrist.

Remember Malachi Martin talking about satanism in Vatican.

reply to post by IsraeliGuy

And yet how high is it ranked in the list of countries who people wish to immigrate to?

The ignorants want to immigarate there. The naieve people who think that there is such thing as American dream.

Many American people on ATS claim that this is a fraud , a lie , a myth.

So , yes ignorant people want to immigrate there and I was ignorant before I joined ATS. I was thinking that everything Fox or VOA says is right , but their are mostly lies.

There was sometime , some freedom in USA but after 9/11 and TSA there is not much. US is just turning into another Nazi state out of control , and there will be another Hitler to repel US oppression world wide. Unless American people decide to control the Nazi government before another Hitler arrives.

That is the rule. The rule set by Allah , the Lord.

Originally posted by ludwigvonmises003
considering that catholics are child rapists why are you mocking others beliefs?

Stating facts and mocking are two different things.
FACT - The Qu'ran is full of contradictions and flat out lies.
Contradictions and errors of the Qu'ran
Questions Muslim Scholars Can Not Answer
1000 Errors in the Qu'ran
Historical Errors of the Qu'ran

The reason why Islam comes into this discussion is because the president of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. believes that by entering into a massive war he can usher in the so called 12th Imam ... a mythological person who simply doesn't exist. Ahmadinijad is willing to put the world into death and destruction in order to try to bring in some kind of mythological Islamic saviour ...

Protestants know that Vatican and catholics is the antichrist.

Only Protestants who get their education from Jack Chick tracts.

Remember Malachi Martin talking about satanism in Vatican.

Um .. you do realize that he wrote FICTION .. right?

reply to post by yeti101

Hi its nice to have someone from Iran giving their views. But the Olympic logo in your sig transforming into the word zion is a bit strange. Do you really think the logo was made to spell zion?

It what I see through the present observations. Look at the toys . What do you see ? I don't see anything but all seeing eye.

+ Look at all the advertisement which is made to let people think 2012 is just the end of the days.

It is an invasion to our mind. They prepare us for a big scary event , then they will give us the smaller version of the big scary event. Then everyone will thank goodness that the big scary event didn't take place. This is what happened in 9/11.

Is this a common mindset of Iranian people? I mean do a lot of Iranians buy into the idea the olympic logo was designed to abstractly spell "zion"?

Many people here has approved by all observation and knowledge about illuminati and Zionism. They don't accept it because just our president says so.

I think as you do more investigation in the web , you will find more about these groups and cults.

But beware of diss-information lurking through the web and just use your own mind. Never judge too soon or you will be confused.

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but then Israel would nuke Iran. They may be many things but i don't think the Iranians are suicidal.

That is why I am here , to avoid invasion and the consequence. Although it is hard to see people who just act like Nazis , but as Allah helped me , I never give up.

Originally posted by hmdphantom
There was sometime , some freedom in USA but after 9/11 and TSA there is not much. US is just turning into another Nazi state out of control ,

And Iran is soooooo much better, right? More freedom? Not at all totalitarian, right? :shk:

Iran - women can't ski without male escort
Iran - barefooted women arrested in Iran - 'immoral'
Iran - Dancing kindergardeners are immoral
Iranian police enforce dress code
Necklace ban for men in Iran
Gay Holocaust in Iran
Iran executes 2 Gay Teenagers
Iran does far worse than ignore gays

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's seemingly ridiculous claim that "we don't have homosexuals, like in your country" masks the cruel reality that his government does far worse than ignore gays, human rights groups charge.

"There are criminal laws on the books in Iran that allows for people to be killed for being homosexual," said Paula Ettelbrick, executive director of the International Gay and Lesbian Human Rights Commission

Google is FULL of stories of how much better Iran is in regards to freedoms ... (sarcasm)
Plenty more out there .. this is just a smidgen of what is available in a country that has freedom of the press.
(which Iran doesn't by the way)

and there will be another Hitler to repel US oppression world wide. Unless American people decide to control the Nazi government before another Hitler arrives.

Newsflash .. Hitler was a bad guy.

That is the rule. The rule set by Allah , the Lord.

A true God would never say such a thing.
Your views of God are twisted by the political rhetoric inherent in Islam.

Originally posted by hmdphantom
That is why I am here , to avoid invasion and the consequence.

So you admit you have an agenda and you aren't just here for 'discussion'.
Where exactly are you in Iran? What is your 'job' there?
You wouldn't happen to be sitting in a government building right now, would you?
Perhaps even sitting in front of the computer with an Iranian army uniform on???

reply to post by FlyersFan

The Iranian gov't has a strangle-hold on the poor Iranians.

Your statement could bring tears to my eyes before I knew that US is the country who wants to be the one. I mean the one world government.

What freedom do you have ?

The freedom to choose between CNN or Fox ?
Or the freedom to choose between Lady Qaqa or Madonna ?
Or maybe the freedom to choose between marrying another man or another woman ?
Maybe oneday , you will have the freedom to choose an animal to marry and marry in church ?
I pray not to be alive to see that day , because it will be the biggest catastrophe in human history , maybe worse than Hiroshima bombing.


You have the govt that is just taking you trips out of humanity . Your govt is just finding ways to make it's neo-colonialism bigger and it doesn't mind nations. That is why people in Middle East love you.

And then come with all kinds of accusations on my holy prophet to knock me down . You will never knock me down.

Muhammad was just imposed with wars and those who imposed knew what they were doing.

+ My prophet lived only 63 years and he knew he is not going to live forever , so he wasn't in love with power.

+ I suggest you to study Islam from other sources than the ones which just attack on Islam . That will help you judge more fairly next time.

Irans claims of peaceful power from it's nuclear program is ABSURD.No one believes it because it simply isn't true.

Then where is your simple reason ?

Dude .. the so-called 12 Imam will NEVER arrive because he was made up by a fake religion ... a religion based upon lies by a mass murdering liar named Muhammad. He never had visions from God .. he lied to the people in order to gain power and money. He mass murdered .. he lied ... he was a pedophile. His qu'ran is absurd, full of contradictions and errors and mysogyny .. oh, and Abraham was NEVER in Mecca (it's impossible).

Man , that could knock me off the day I was ignorant as hell about my religion.

So , here is your massage from Quran :

WHEN IT IS SAID TO THEM: BELIEVE AS THE PEOPLE HAVE BELIEVED, THEY SAY: SHALL WE BELIEVE AS THE FOOLS HAVE BELIEVED? KNOW THAT THEY THEMSELVES ARE THE FOOLS IF THEY BUT KNEW IT.

2-13

reply to post by FlyersFan

Iran - women can't ski without male escort
Iran - barefooted women arrested in Iran - 'immoral'
Iran - Dancing kindergardeners are immoral
Iranian police enforce dress code
Necklace ban for men in Iran
Gay Holocaust in Iran
Iran executes 2 Gay Teenagers
Iran does far worse than ignore gays

a message from Quran :

AND COVER NOT TRUTH WITH FALSEHOOD, NOR CONCEAL THE TRUTH WHILE YOU KNOW IT.

2-42

Some of your statements are right , some of them are wrong , some of them are just wrong titles. It is a complicated mixture.

Google is FULL of stories of how much better Iran is in regards to freedoms ... (sarcasm) Plenty more out there .. this is just a smidgen of what is available in a country that has freedom of the press. (which Iran doesn't by the way)

IMHO , I really appreciate we don't have freedom of the press. It is very good when US govt and Israel just threat to attack Iran . Then i go walking in the streets , I see they don't know anything about it , so they are living their normal life and they are not disturbed with all warmongers.

We have democracy , we have chosen Islam and we don't want to have any kind of casual marriage with different kinds of species and groups.

That is what we have chosen and we want your govt hands off all the middle east

We don't want another power (the PTB) to rule us and to tell us what to do and not to do. We don't appreciate dictators.

Originally posted by hmdphantom
Muhammad was just imposed with wars and those who imposed knew what they were doing.

He was a mass murdering liar, thief, and pedophile. And he was a pagan. It's well documented.

I suggest you to study Islam from other sources than the ones which just attack on Islam .

I suggest you study Islam from ACCURATE sources ... historical sources ... Facts are facts.

here is your massage from Quran :

here are your FACTS about the Quran - AGAIN.
You didn't even bother to read them and get educated .. did you?

Contradictions and errors of the Qu'ran
Questions Muslim Scholars Can Not Answer
1000 Errors in the Qu'ran
Historical Errors of the Qu'ran

You can quote from your Qu'ran all day long .. it means nothing.

2ND REQUEST - ANSWER THE QUESTION

Originally posted by hmdphantom
That is why I am here , to avoid invasion and the consequence.

So you admit you have an agenda and you aren't just here for 'discussion'.
Where exactly are you in Iran? What is your 'job' there?
You wouldn't happen to be sitting in a government building right now, would you?
Perhaps even sitting in front of the computer with an Iranian army uniform on???

And don't use the Qu'ran as an excuse to lie. I know it says you are allowed to lie to deceive people to get your way and to win in wars. Are you able to tell the truth ??? Or are you covering and it's okay because your religion and your government say you can/should? Nevermind.... whatever answer you give won't be believable anyways ...

What does the 'religion of peace' teach about lies?

The Qur'an:
Qur'an (16:106) - Establishes that there are circumstances that can "compel" a Muslim to tell a lie.

Qur'an (9:3) - "...Allah and His Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters..." The dissolution of oaths with the pagans who remained at Mecca following its capture. They did nothing wrong, but were evicted anyway.

Qur'an (40:28) - A man is introduced as a believer, but one who must "hide his faith" among those who are not believers.

Qur'an (2:225) - "Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts" The context of this remark is marriage, which explains why Sharia allows spouses to lie to each other for the greater good.

Qur'an (66:2) - "Allah has already ordained for you, (O men), the dissolution of your oaths"

Qur'an (3:54) - "And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers." The Arabic word used here for scheme (or plot) is makara, which literally means deceit. If Allah is deceitful toward unbelievers, then there is little basis for denying that Muslims are allowed to do the same. (See also 8:30 and 10:21)

From the Hadith:

Bukhari (52:269) - "The Prophet said, 'War is deceit.'" The context of this is thought to be the murder of Usayr ibn Zarim and his thirty unarmed men by Muhammad's men after he "guaranteed" them safe passage .

Bukhari (84:64-65) - Speaking from a position of power at the time, Ali confirms that lying is permissible in order to deceive an "enemy."

Bukhari (50:369) - Recounts the murder of a poet, Ka'b bin al-Ashraf, at Muhammad's insistence. The men who volunteered for the assassination used dishonesty to gain Ka'b's trust, pretending that they had turned against Muhammad. This drew the victim out of his fortress, whereupon he was brutally slaughtered despite putting up a ferocious struggle for his life.

From Islamic Law:

Reliance of the Traveler (p. 746 - 8.2) - "Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible (N:i.e. when the purpose of lying is to circumvent someone who is preventing one from doing something permissible), and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory... it is religiously precautionary in all cases to employ words that give a misleading impression...

You really blew yourself out of the water with these ...

Originally posted by hmdphantom
I really appreciate we don't have freedom of the press.

So you admit -
- You only get the information that your government wants you to get.
- You have no way of knowing if the government is telling you the truth.
- You get no historical facts about the errors of Islam or the Qu'ran because the gov't doesn't allow truth.
- You get no historical facts about the errors of Muhammad because the gov't doesn't allow truth.
- You get no historical facts about the USA or Israel because the gov't doesn't allow truth.

We have democracy ,

WRONG
- no freedom of the press = no democracy.
- no freedom of the press = no facts about those 'running' for office. You don't know the truth of them.
- no freedom of the press = only gov't approved 'candidates' can run for office.

We don't appreciate dictators.

- You have no freedoms ... you are under a dictatorship that has been painted as a democracy.
- You have no freedoms ... Islam has a stranglehold on you. It's your dictatorship.
Women can't even go barefoot without being arrested ...
You are under the dictatorship of the state and of Islam. You aren't free.


YOU ADMIT YOU HAVE NO FREEDOM OF THE PRESS AND YET YOU ARE ON AN INTERNATIONAL DISCUSSION BOARD SPEWING THE IRANIAN PARTY LINE .... AGAIN - DO YOU WORK FOR THE IRANIAN GOVERNMENT?? It's pretty clear you must.

reply to post by FlyersFan

So you admit -
- You only get the information that your government wants you to get.
- You have no way of knowing if the government is telling you the truth.
- You get no historical facts about the errors of Islam or the Qu'ran because the gov't doesn't allow truth.
- You get no historical facts about the errors of Muhammad because the gov't doesn't allow truth.
- You get no historical facts about the USA or Israel because the gov't doesn't allow truth.

Not too fast , and avoid diss-information. This whole debate is not about 'my daddy is taller than yours'.

here is what I said fully :

IMHO , I really appreciate we don't have freedom of the press. It is very good when US govt and Israel just threat to attack Iran . Then i go walking in the streets , I see they don't know anything about it , so they are living their normal life and they are not disturbed with all warmongers.

I said , we as an Iranian , But you see me on ATS reading all the headlines and thread , so I am o an ordinary Iranian.

I have access to the information , so I am informed and I can read what you say as the truth behind our religion.

WRONG
- no freedom of the press = no democracy.
- no freedom of the press = no facts about those 'running' for office. You don't know the truth of them.
- no freedom of the press = only gov't approved 'candidates' can run for office.

People , vote the parliament members who don't allow the freedom of the press and majority of people vote for them. So , it is democracy unless you don't know democracy.

Maybe it is not the democracy you like , but luckily you live in US and you are not allowed to decide.

We have restricted press and people want it and you are not numbered to decide.

6 - 106 :HE WHO DISBELIEVED ALLAH, AFTER HIS BELIEF; EXCEPTING HIM WHO IS COMPELLED (TO DISBELIEF) WHILE HIS HEART IS SURE. AND HE WHOSE BREAST IS EXPANDED BY DISBELIEF, ON THEM IS A WRATH OF ALLAH, AND FOR THEM IS A GREAT PUNISHMENT.

9-3 : AND A PROCLAMATION TO PEOPLE, FROM ALLAH AND HIS MESSENGER, ON THE DAY OF THE GREAT PILGRIMAGE; THAT ALLAH IS QUIT (i.e. EXEMPT FROM OBLIGATIONS OF TREATIES) OF THE POLYTHEISTS, AND (SO IS) HIS MESSENGER. SO IF YOU REPENT, THAT WILL BE BETTER FOR YOU. AND IF YOU TURN AWAY, THEN KNOW THAT YOU CANNOT FRUSTRATE ALLAH; AND GIVE THE GOOD TIDINGS TO THE UNBELIEVERS, OF A PAINFUL PUNISHMENT.

Stop miss-translation and spreading lies.

2-225 : ALLAH WILL NOT CALL YOU TO ACCOUNT FOR A SLIP IN YOUR OATHS, BUT WILL CALL YOU TO ACCOUNT FOR WHAT YOUR HEARTS HAVE EARNED, AND ALLAH IS ALL-FORGIVING, FORBEARING.

What do you know about heart . It is not the one which beats every minute.

whatever answer you give won't be believable anyways ...

This is a really disgusting debate.I debated for love of Allah. Not for you.

You just want to bring me into your darkness of heart .

Thank you for caring.
I don't like darkness.

Try another ignorant individual.

Ending sentence :

إِنَّ الَّذینَ کَفَرُوا سَواءٌ عَلَیْهِمْ أَ أَنْذَرْتَهُمْ أَمْ لَمْ تُنْذِرْهُمْ لایُؤْمِنُونَ (6)
AS FOR THE UNBELIEVERS, ALIKE IS TO THEM WHETHER YOU WARN THEM (GOD'S PUNISHMENT) OR DO NOT WARN THEM, THEY WILL NOT BELIEVE.
خَتَمَ اللّهُ عَلى قُلُوبِهِمْ وَ عَلى سَمْعِهِمْ وَ عَلى أَبْصارِهِمْ غِشاوَةٌ وَ لَهُمْ عَذابٌ عَظیمٌ (7)
ALLAH HAS SET A SEAL UPON THEIR HEARTS AND UPON THEIR EARS, AND THERE IS A COVERING UPON THEIR EYES, AND THERE IS A GREAT PUNISHMENT FOR THEM.

2-6:7

Originally posted by hmdphantom
This whole debate is not about 'my daddy is taller than yours'.

No kidding. .. it's about the fact that you admitted you have no freedom of information in Iran. Without freedom of information, you don't have access to the truth. Without the truth, what you say is wrong.

I have access to the information ,

Only those in the Iranian Government can get access to information.
Only those in the Iranian Government could get on the internet and post like this.
Therefore ... you are with the Iranian Government.

so I am informed and I can read what you say as the truth behind our religion.

No you are not informed and you aren't posting the truth about Islam.
I posted the truth. It encourages Muslims to lie. I posted the quotes.
It is based on a lie and the quran is full of errors. I posted the PROOF.

People , vote the parliament members who don't allow the freedom of the press ...

People in Iran are limited on who they can vote for ... limited by the Government and by the Imams. They have no real choice in who to vote for. They don't fully know who they are voting for because there is no freedom of the press to vette the so-called candidates (government stooges).

Stop miss-translation and spreading lies.

I gave a correct and full translation of the Quran.
I gave correct and full information on the errors of the Quran.
I gave correct information on how Islam was founded and how it spreads.

You just want to bring me into your darkness of heart .

Truth is light. Iran keeps it's people in the dark by not allowing them to read the truth.

Your Qu'ran quotes are worthless. Nothing of God is in the Qu'ran.
As I said and as I have shown ... it's full of errors and contradictions.
You'd know that if you had access to the truth and had freedom of the press ....
Iran is not free. The leadership is a menice to the world.
Neda Agha-Soltan is further proof of this.

reply to post by FlyersFan


seriously,stop being intolerant to others religions.Catholic church is full of child rapists you should know that.Would Jesus like the nonsense happening on the world.
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John 8

1 but Jesus went to the Mount of Olives.
2 At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. 3 The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4 and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5 In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” 6 They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.

But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.

9 At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”

11 “No one, sir,” she said.

“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”

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Are you sinless ?

Originally posted by mkgandhas
seriously,stop being intolerant to others religions.

Seriously, read the thread and try to understand what is happening here.

This fella comes on the chat boards .. says he's posting from Iran ... admits Iran doesn't have freedoms, including not having freedom of the press and freedom of information ... then blasts the USA for things all the while refusing to acknowledge that Iran is guilty of just those same things he is accusing others of. The government of Iran holds the people in a death grip. They use Islam as an excuse for it. That's just a FACT. It's not 'intolerance of other people's beliefs' ... it's stating FACTS.

Catholic church is full of child rapists

This thread isn't about the Catholic Church.
You want a thread about the Catholic church and pedophiles ... go ahead and start one.

Are you sinless ?

Are you even reading what this thread is about and who that person in Iran probably is?
Obviously not.

reply to post by FlyersFan


Yes and you are being a hypocrit.Are you sinless? Jesus would have asked you this.

Are you sinless? The iranian has his beliefs so whats the point of ridiculing him? Your nation has the highest rape statistics ,indefinite torture/detention and catholic church is full of child rapists.Seems Dan Brown was right all along.

So are you and your nation sinless? Simple question and then cast stones(if you sinless) like Jesus would have said.