Why did the Pope dress up as Santa?

So once again, for those who can see it, hear it, and understand it, "it was the stone that was rejected by the builders that became the keystone", and you are that very stone, as am I. We too were abused by an abuse of power and the corruption of empire, and much worse than that if we think of all those who suffered horrible deaths at the hands of very wicked men, men of the church, who did these things in the name of God?! This is utter lunacy, as we all know, and this, but NOT Jesus himself and the person of Jesus, is our shared wound.

Where this becomes very problematic is when, born of man's natural, innate and appropriate hatred of evil, in response, he condemns in opposition to Christ who is the very love of God we all need and ARE, made also in the same likeness and stature as the great teacher.

"Woe to those who neither enter in nor allows others to enter in", while prejudicing the whole world (or much of it) in opposition to Christ and the truth and the efficacy of Christ, who's treasure is his love!

So there again, on the OTHER side, in this case self-professed opposers to Christ framed only by the church with whom he is associated, is another lunacy and absurdity, in opposition to the very best of the best of the very thing that we truly are, in Christ!

Christ is coming, and his here already.

To to the "PTB" I have this message to impart (to your utter horror and astonishment).

It is raining Bodhisatvas!

After all "How is it, that you can read the signs of the weather, and yet you cannot read the signs of the times?"


This stone, therefore, the one that was rejected (everyone) IS the very keystone that is now placed in the royal arch over which humanity shall begin to pass, before your very eyes, into everlasting life, love and freedom, and all manner of mutually loving shared (gifted) koinonia, in spirit and in truth.

That said - I must also say, again "forgive them father for they did not know what they were doing." (or did they?).

And to everyone else I say this in the spirit of Christ Jesus - pick up your cross and follow me too, until your cross, that you've born, dissolves, in the laughter (and tears) of a fully recovered inner-child.

"When the hearts of men change, kingdoms WILL change."
~ John the Baptist

Best Regards, and Merry Christmas!

Rudolf the Red Nosed Reindeer.

..and there's another one!

"used to laugh and call him names"

You see, Rufolf, allegorically, is ALSO Jesus, which is why he had to leave his society as a child, just before entering puberty.

He is the one I love, who is eminantly lovable, and TRUSTWORTHY and true.

Worthy is the lamb.

The Birth of Christ





To hold the frame of reference for what I'm attempting to present here in this thread (around the drive-by pope shootings and moral indignation and outrage at the institutionalized church expressed by many) yes, as an authentic "religious conspiracy", I needed to bump the above two posts. Thanks for taking the time to read and consider it carefully.

Best Regards,

NAM aka Rudolf.

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by NewAgeMan

 

Thanks though for reading, but I was hoping for an inquisitive and inquiring mind and an open mind free from any contempt prior to investigation, in this case biased by religious orthodoxy, something even Jesus himself wasn't all too pleased with.

I'm open if you can back it with scripture.

That's the next step, which I will do between now and over the Christmas holidays, demonstrating the conspiracy of "the secret Santa". However, it will require a historically informed textual criticism and comparison of the the Synoptic Gospels. I'll begin with Mathew, and offer the salient scriptural references along with the occasional comment to illustrate the point and what it all has to do with this conspiracy, which is indeed a religious conspiracy and thus belongs in that forum, not in "general chit chat".

Best Regards,

NAM

reply to post by NewAgeMan


There's a reason some gospels were not expelled. Just because it's underground doesn't make it valid.

If you are going to claim Jesus went to India, I simply ask you prove it.. Because there isn't even really a hint of eastern though in it. Eastern thought is basically about being happy about where you are and tolerant. As I recall, Jesus wooped some banker arse. Seems a bit non-eastern to me.

reply to post by Gorman91


Gorman you are in denile..
Your religion is simply a smart business idea, nothing more nothing less.
Do you really think if you grew up in an Islamic nation or something you would still be saying the same thing?
Think for yourself, stop listening to what you have been told.

reply to post by ThrowCatsAtCacti

Considering the Muslims respect Jesus as much as I do as a human being, I don't think anything would be wrong.


People love to claim that religion is a profit thing. But I challenge that. When they actually had significant amounts money, they used it on art and culture. When they lost political power, they still spent it on art and culture.

I'm not exactly sure what a church can spend money on besides art and culture. Themselves? Outside the Pope and a few others, not really. And those that do enjoy it, are far too old to use it for anything.

Rich men in business make money while they are young so that they can rule the world. Old men in business tend to stop giving a damn, because they learn that power is useless when you're going to die in 10-20 years, so you might as well do something decent with it.

In history, rich religious men of Catholicism and Islam didn't even really finance the armies for their religious wars. The Pope was practically a hostage of the Spanish crown, and the Muslims just wanted right to rule. It was the kings and rich aristocracy that financed it, and made money by land theft and pillaging.



So really, I don't see what purpose a bunch of old clergy men would have with a lot of money other than to do what their faiths instruct them. Certainly at times it was dubious, but over all it really was just for whatever art, culture, or thing they wanted to do or repair. That goes for mostly all faiths of the time that were large scale. If they ever were for profit, it went to kings and queens hijacking the papacy.

reply to post by NewAgeMan


New,

I bash all churches.

I am not singling out the RC church.

I despise all liars.

Jesus, or Yeshua, in spite of his controversial birth origins (no father) and a very difficult early childhood - became something quite extraordinary, even in the face of it all, the whole damn mess, including abuse of power and the corruption of empire, an empire which would have fallen, had it not taken on his authority, as a guiding light (however much darkeness it's own inner denail also contained in potential, and with men the potential for ignorance is always great).

His birth therefore, and the dynamic it set in motion, and how he handled it, and who he became and how he responded, that's definitely well worth celebrating now, in hindsight. I love him. Understanding him, as a human being and a person, that's really something, quite the marvel, and so I must be a pretty neat person also, to so sympathize with him, that his historical person is able to walk straight through the mythical frame to become present, first in me, and with me, and through me, with you as well, today.

Away in a manger,
No crib for His bed
The little Lord Jesus
Laid down His sweet head

The stars in the bright sky
Looked down where He lay
The little Lord Jesus
Asleep on the hay

The cattle are lowing
The poor Baby wakes
But little Lord Jesus
No crying He makes

I love Thee, Lord Jesus
Look down from the sky
And stay by my side,
'Til morning is nigh.

Be near me, Lord Jesus,
I ask Thee to stay
Close by me forever
And love me I pray

Bless all the dear children
In Thy tender care
And take us to heaven
To live with Thee there

www.carols.org.uk...

'Til morning is nigh.

"Behold, woman (look mom) I make all things new!" (while carrying cross)

I tell you, Mary AND Joseph are both the real heros in this story as well. Without that family framework and their love, Jesus, and who he became, and what he accomplished, would not have been possible.

Originally posted by catwhoknowsplusone
reply to post by NewAgeMan

 

New,

I bash all churches.

I am not singling out the RC church.

I despise all liars.

Do you bash me? I am obviously a Christian or a desciple of Christ Jesus, however flawed I may be at times.

reply to post by catwhoknowsplusone


How do you know they are liars. Most of the world's most largest religions share some commonality. And thanks to intense anthropology work, we now know most of them originated from the same region, between Iraq to India. Perhaps the strangest part is how exactly those traditions ended up in Native America.

reply to post by Gorman91

Did you say India?

reply to post by NewAgeMan


yes, India. It's the origins for most of the west's pre-christian religions. It's called the indo-European pantheon. Current guess say that they were really just a bunch of kings and queens who called themselves gods. Very likely in rebellion to a much older religion. Those that rejected this idea came together into what is today called Buddhism. A clear evidence to their rebellion is the lack of any actual god in their faith. Because they rejected gods in their rejection of Hindi tradition.

This is also why I find it silly to use Egyptian history for some sort of connection to Christianity. Egyptian myth and lore are direct imports from Arabia.


But you never really answered my question. HOW could Christ get to India with war and death all around the region.

At the time, the Kushan Empire ruled where you claim Christ would have gone. They would have shot Christ, Buddhists, and anyone in the way. The Kushan Empire was a polytheistic Greek-influenced country, with Indian traditions. There's nothing Christ-like about them. Coins found at monastery from both Rome and India suggest that they were far more interested in money than anything else.

Christ, had he gone there, would have found Greco-Buddhism. They got sucked into protecting them, and the faith did prosper, but it would not have been the same Buddhism you know. By that time they would putting Buddha on a thrown and calling it enlightened. No different than the Catholic Church, actually. And you're telling me Christ would have adopted this?

Quite simply put, history says Christ never left Palestine and Egypt.

reply to post by Gorman91

The three "kings" of that tradition are Lao Tsu, Confuscius and Buddha (approx 500 BC), who's own enlightenment flowed from the ancient Vedic tradition of Brahmavidya, the sacred science, and the Jews, they flowed out of the same tradition, the very name Abraham stemming from I-Brahmin. As to safe passages to Monasteries at that time, I have no idea.

Origins

Abraham

In his History of the Jews, the Jewish scholar and theologian Flavius Josephus (37 - 100 A.D.), wrote that the Greek philosopher Aristotle had said: "...These Jews are derived from the Indian philosophers; they are named by the Indians Calani." (Book I:22.)

Clearchus of Soli wrote, "The Jews descend from the philosophers of India. The philosophers are called in India Calanians and in Syria Jews. The name of their capital is very difficult to pronounce. It is called 'Jerusalem.'"

"Megasthenes, who was sent to India by Seleucus Nicator, about three hundred years before Christ, and whose accounts from new inquiries are every day acquiring additional credit, says that the Jews 'were an Indian tribe or sect called Kalani...'" (Anacalypsis, by Godfrey Higgins, Vol. I; p. 400.)

Martin Haug, Ph.D., wrote in The Sacred Language, Writings, and Religions of the Parsis, "The Magi are said to have called their religion Kesh-î-Ibrahim.They traced their religious books to Abraham, who was believed to have brought them from heaven." (p. 16.)