NASA debunks every 2012 conspiracy under the sun...

www.space.com...

"There's no evidence whatsoever that Nibiru exists," Yeomans said. Notions that it might be hiding behind the sun are unfounded, as "it can't hide behind the sun forever, and we would've seen it years ago," Yeomans said.

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There are records of a solar "super-storm" striking the Earth in 1859. Although that caused little damage back then, there are fears that such a storm would inflict much more harm now that our world is far more dependent on electronics. Still, "there is no evidence that one will happen on Dec. 21 next year," Yeomans said. It's impossible to predict solar activity that far out, and even an extremely strong solar storm wouldn't likely bring the apocalypse that some fear.

Have at it!

I worry about our future weather on this planet but don't really know if NASA has predicted any upcoming apocalyptic disasters... I do think there's more to solar activity that this article implies, though, for sure, as that's one thing I've been following very closely and it looks like we're due for some epic happenings there...

By the way, anyone seen Melancholia yet? Let's just say, Lars Von Troyer has been researching this stuff like the rest of us.

Melencholia was great. If thats what watching it all go down is like, then it won't be THAT bad. Kind of beautiful, really.

what about that thing thats floating out there by mercury? and what exactly would a really strong solar storm do here on earth?? I'm not very big on the astronmy thing but i do think that the mayans knew what they were doing with their calendar they've predicted a whole lot correctly in terms of solar eclipses and so forth, while I'm not 100% conviced 12-21-12 is the end per se I DO believe that something will happen wether big or small only time will tell I do also have personal reasons for wanting them to be wrong my sons 2nd b-day is 12-21-12 so I hope he gets to see his 3rd!!!

NASA will never tell us the truth. They see "anomalies" day in and day out.

When I was in the Air Force, I used to talk with the guys and gals in the tower. The stories were amazing.

Of course there was never an official end to the stories.

2012? I'm placing my bets on the Mayan's. They knew something. Are we at the end or are we at the new beginning?

We will find out soon.

I wouldn't believe "Never A Straight Answer" NASA even if they were to swear on a stack of Bibles and their Mother's grave. People all over the world are seeing, and taking photographs of the second Sun, even my daughter in Northern Indiana sent me photos, clearly showing a heavenly body near the Rising Sun. And I think we all remember the blackouts caused by Solar Flare activity? Who are they trying to kid here?

I think the good news, such that it is, is that the longer we go without a major CME, the more likely we get through the next one with damage we can handle. They came very late to the party but it finally has occurred to the Government that spending to shield the choke points of modern infrastructure and the power grid is a REALLY good idea.

1859 would still be one heck of a wild event in modern civilization....but we can hope they are making steady progress toward insuring it isn't a crippling event.

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The Mayan calendars predicted no such thing. The Long Count is merely a count of days that extends on forever. The Haab is a 365-day solar calendar much like our own except not as accurate. The Tzolkin is a 260-day calendar based on rituals that would occur every year. While there are other calendars they have never been mentioned in any Mayan "prophecies" and they are even shorter than the Tzolkin.

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Like this is going to stop the doom porn merchants. Their answer is that NASA is in on it, or covering it up. Plus.. anyone else caught speaking rationally about this 2011 nonsense is quickly labelled a shill or a troll and told that their minds are closed.

Doomsayers spreading fear meme's represent the bottom of the barrel in conspiracy terms. These are some seriously screwed-up people whose lives are in need of serious review!

IRM

Just the mere act of saying something doesn't exist is not debunking. Proof?

Hell, even on ATS we have to provide more than that. "Pics or it didn't happen" kinda stuff.

Peace

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I'm glad you didn't give a plot spoiler, that movie is on my hard drive waiting to be watched.

ETA Would a lead-tinfoil hat, umbrella, galoshes and sou'wester give me protection against a solar storm?

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S&F OP because: I think the timing is interesting. space.com decides to run this on their website on the eve of the impossible lunar eclipse. The one where they say the sun and eclipsed moon may be visible at the same time. Some new sort of optical illusion. Wonder why they didn't debunk that. I had actually read this the other day on the NASA site. These days there's a lot of explaining to do and I'm glad to see they're getting started.

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I read NASA debunks and it makes me laugh . Understand my words, NASA have more than competents workers but hoping to get the truth on such controversial subject, especially, Nibiru and during this time frame

Does not that make you sound a bell in your head ? They just admited it exists by saying it does not, the law of the opposite, pure and simple. I do not pretend having truth as I can not prove it, but my intuition tells me otherwise what they say.

Keep an eye on what NASA says, little pieces of truth hidden here and there folks without any doubt.

It does worth the mention though OP, thank you.





Thruthseek3r

Wow I just found this out and straight from NASA website

Go at the "Pole Dancing subtitle:

The magnetic poles do flip sometimes, but on time scales of about 500,000 years. These shifts are not sudden, but take place very gradually over thousands of years, "and there's no evidence of a flip on Dec. 21, 2012," Yeomans said. "Even if it did flip, it would not cause any real problems, other than us having to change our compasses from north to south."


The Source

Mmh ? Pole shift with no real problems other than us having to change compass from South to North


Only something else to add to the OP.

Would anyone here really want NASA to say "Yes. You are doomed but we aren't muhaaha!!" with no substantial evidence? If they know something they aren't doing anything to save themselves. Can you point to me HOW NASA is going to save themselves and thousand others from doomsday if its true?

Would you expect on December 20, 2012 a day before the supposed doomsday NASA, PTB pack their bags and leave for the underground laughing at us? Nobody can do nothing to stop a world-wide disaster.

I respect the Mayans, they knew stuff. They made part of what we know work in their own perception of things. Still people are dumb founded and ignore the entire premise that the Mayans had astronomical information that would be tough to acquire, to say the least.

Just imagine there being no technology whatsoever, and then being apart of a world where things were as so:

The Maya believed the Earth was flat with four corners.

Each corner represented a cardinal direction. Each direction had a color: east-red; north-white; west-black; south-yellow. Green was the center.

The Milky Way itself was much venerated by the Maya. They called it the World Tree, which was represented by a tall and majestic flowering tree, the Ceiba. The Milky Way was also called the Wakah Chan. Wak means "Six" or "Erect". Chan or K'an means "Four", "Serpent" or "Sky". The World Tree was erect when Sagittarius was well over the horizon.

Near Sagittarius, the center of our galaxy, where the World Tree meets the Ecliptic was given special attention by the Maya. A major element of the World Tree include the Kawak Monster, a giant head with a kin in its forehead. During the months of winter, when the so-called "Winter" Milky Way dominates the sky, it was called the "White Boned Serpent."

The Maya portrayed the Ecliptic in their artwork as a Double-Headed Serpent. The ecliptic is the path of the sun in the sky which is marked by the constellations of fixed stars. Here the moon and the planets can be found because they are bound, like the Earth, to the sun.

The constellations on the ecliptic are also called the zodiac. We don't know exactly how fixed constellations on the ecliptic were seen by the Maya, but we have some idea of the order in some parts of the sky.

It has also been found that Gemini appeared to the Maya as a pig or peccary, (a nocturnal animal in the pig family.) Some other constellations on the ecliptic are identified as a jaguar, at least one serpent, a bat, a turtle, a xoc monster--that is, shark, or a sea monster.

The Pleiades were seen as the tail of the rattlesnake and is called, "Tz'ab."

Approximately one millennium before Archbishop Usher of Armagh concluded that creation occurred at 4004 B.C., the Mayans had calculated the cosmos was 90 million years old.

Like other pre-Columbian civilizations, the Maya had a profound knowledge of the sky. Their priests recorded astronomical observations and passed them down from generation to generation. The result was an extremely accurate calendar that predicted the coming of eclipses and the revolutions of Venus to an error of one day in 6,000 years.

Only a handful of the parchments that chronicle this knowledge survived the zealous bonfires of the missionaries; those that did are now called codices. In one example, Venus is represented as a figure with two masks, symbolizing its appearance in the early morning and evening.

The calendar itself was divided into cycles 3 million years long, subdivided into units of 20 years, 400, 8,000 and 158,000 years. There were also subunits for marking the death and rebirth of the sun and fire. Rituals punctuated the cycles and acted like the needles of a clock, marking the passage of time.

If one uses a basic leap year correction every four years, from which one derives an Earth tropical year value of 365.25 days, then using this value as the length of an Earth year, one may calculate the number of days within 128 such years: 365.25 x 128 = 46752 days

Now indeed, if one were to use what has been determined by modern astronomers to be a very accurate value for the Earth tropical year, of 365.2421840 days, and multiply this figure by 128, one gets a value that is in fact most harmonious with respect to a complete number of solar days: 365.2421840 x 128 = 46750.99955 days

As can be seen, this new value is almost exactly 46751 days, which is one day less than the value derived from using a basic 365.25 day year over the course of 128 years, as given above.

The implication of this is that if one were to use a basic leap year every four years continuously from some given start point, but on the 128th year, which would indeed ordinarily be classed as a leap year of 366 days – being the fourth year of the 32nd ‘batch’, one were to count instead that year as being 365 days i.e. that is to say that the 32nd four-year batch is comprised of four years equal to 365 days a piece, rather than three years of 365 days followed by a fourth year of 366 days; then in this instance, a far more refined value for the tropical year is to be had:

(365 x 3) + 366) x 31) + (365 x 4) = 46751 days

With:

46751 / 128 = 365.2421875 days

One can compare this with the value as determined by modern astronomers given previously, and calculate the difference: (365.2421875 - 365.2421840) x 86400 = 0.3 seconds

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Truly an incredible find! Had to put it out just one more time.

The magnetic poles do flip sometimes, but on time scales of about 500,000 years. These shifts are not sudden, but take place very gradually over thousands of years, "and there's no evidence of a flip on Dec. 21, 2012," Yeomans said. "Even if it did flip, it would not cause any real problems, other than us having to change our compasses from north to south."

Originally posted by luxordelphi
Some new sort of optical illusion.

"Face west to see the red moon sinking into the horizon as the sun rises behind your back. It's a rare way to begin your day."

I’m not sure what is new about this, they are at opposite sides of the earth from each other, its simply that at some point as the earth rotates you’ll be at a point (so many degrees from points A&B below) were you can see both at the same time.

Put another way, NASA is the source for most of the material that people try and tear apart and find conspiracy in.
Without any of this incredible data, there would not be any content to debunk.

So what would you expect form a consortium of scientists when some people take that data and throw it back in their face with weird, unfounded and non-scientific speculation attached to it? They defend the science for the record, as they should. Science and mythology don't mix well. The 2 describe an XOR function.

Originally posted by thruthseek3r
Mmh ? Pole shift with no real problems other than us having to change compass from South to North

He’s referring to magnetic pole shift, not physical pole shift or earth crust displacement. Right now the poles wonder all over the place. I believe that the current magnetic pole is vacationing somewhere over in Russia as opposed to its normal home in Canada. Did you notice any significant events when it wondered thousands of miles from Canada to Russia? If not, you’ll probably not notice anything if it does a complete pole flip, outside a change in compasses as stated.