MESSED UP: Writer from "Famly Guy" TV Show Details His Arrest at Occupy LA

Originally posted by Bob Sholtz
reply to post by PrimalRed

 

i'm actually in a general psychology class in college right now. got a 93% atm O.o.

the first chapter we covered was stress, and for PTSD to be diagnosed (and really every psychological condition) multiple symptoms must be present in an amount that effects the person's life.

The criterion for all these mental disorders can be found in the DSM IV, though they do seem to change depending on how the doctors decide to vote. The official criteria for PTSD is

309.81 DSM-IV Criteria for Posttraumatic Stress Disorder

A. The person has been exposed to a traumatic event in which both of the following have been present:

(1) the person experienced, witnessed, or was confronted with an event or events that involved actual or threatened death or serious injury, or a threat to the physical integrity of self or others (2) the person's response involved intense fear, helplessness, or horror. Note: In children, this may be expressed instead by disorganized or agitated behavior.

B. The traumatic event is persistently reexperienced in one (or more) of the following ways:

(1) recurrent and intrusive distressing recollections of the event, including images, thoughts, or perceptions. Note: In young children, repetitive play may occur in which themes or aspects of the trauma are expressed.

(2) recurrent distressing dreams of the event. Note: In children, there may be frightening dreams without recognizable content.

(3) acting or feeling as if the traumatic event were recurring (includes a sense of reliving the experience, illusions, hallucinations, and dissociative flashback episodes, including those that occur upon awakening or when intoxicated). Note: In young children, trauma-specific reenactment may occur.

(4) intense psychological distress at exposure to internal or external cues that symbolize or resemble an aspect of the traumatic event.

(5) physiological reactivity on exposure to internal or external cues that symbolize or resemble an aspect of the traumatic event.

C. Persistent avoidance of stimuli associated with the trauma and numbing of general responsiveness (not present before the trauma), as indicated by three (or more) of the following:

(1) efforts to avoid thoughts, feelings, or conversations associated with the trauma

(2) efforts to avoid activities, places, or people that arouse recollections of the trauma

(3) inability to recall an important aspect of the trauma

(4) markedly diminished interest or participation in significant activities

(5) feeling of detachment or estrangement from others

(6) restricted range of affect (e.g., unable to have loving feelings)

(7) sense of a foreshortened future (e.g., does not expect to have a career, marriage, children, or a normal life span)

D. Persistent symptoms of increased arousal (not present before the trauma), as indicated by two (or more) of the following:

(1) difficulty falling or staying asleep
(2) irritability or outbursts of anger
(3) difficulty concentrating
(4) hypervigilance
(5) exaggerated startle response

E. Duration of the disturbance (symptoms in Criteria B, C, and D) is more than one month.

F. The disturbance causes clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.

Specify if:
Acute: if duration of symptoms is less than 3 months
Chronic: if duration of symptoms is 3 months or more

Specify if:
With Delayed Onset: if onset of symptoms is at least 6 months after the stressor

Please note that it says ONE or more under those headings so if you get sent off to war, don't want to talk about it, get disturbed at gory images and you don't want to talk about it. You have PTSD unless it takes you under a month to get over it.

reply to post by CREAM


Man it almost time to start building a resistant, not so much to fight but for defence. I think you will have the numbers on your side. If they are going to that level of violence when all you were doing was chanting holding hands then those freaks have alot to learn. Need an Egypt style mass grouping but with non violence they would not know what to do. Write to someone like Foster Gamble and start making those critical mass actions he was talking about.

reply to post by PrimalRed


Thanks for solving this mystery, bro. You have single handidly proven that Patrick Meighan is a pathogical liar. Furthermore, even if his claims were true, this type of force would have been justified. You sir, are a true american. I salute you.

Originally posted by ArrowsNV
This is one of the many many reasons why I hate today's police officers.

That and:
They're assholes.
They only respect themselves and their buddies.
They'll find any reason to throw you in jail, legal or not.
They have no respect for anyone's property but their own.
They THINK they know the law but a lot of them don't.

I could go on for hours...

edit on 12/7/2011 by ArrowsNV because: (no reason given)

Would love to see what these cops would do against our armed forces....Probably pee their pants.

I'll make a prediction of sorts.

IF police action with the protestors does not get better, expect the protest to morph from peaceful nonviolence into more computer 'protest crime' and expect overall, more destruction of property.

You can't put people into powerless positions and not expect them to get wiser and more covert.

reply to post by theovermensch


You should all try a bit of this

reply to post by Algernonsmouse


Lol, I read his comment as "Actually I am... taking a few classes... in developmental psychology."

reply to post by thedigirati


Naysayer!
Give it some time.. christ! Things don't happen over night and there are two paths for this to go. One above ground, the other below. Sounds like you want it to go underground. Regardless this is the natural course of both.Either continue protests, heading into a political party inside the system or a subversive revolution splitting up going underground and waging an attrition war. Both scenario's start as the same kind of protest you just mocked..

Originally posted by PrimalRed

The criterion for all these mental disorders can be found in the DSM IV, though they do seem to change depending on how the doctors decide to vote. The official criteria for PTSD is

Anyone who knows what the DSM is also knows you cannot diagnose a stranger over the internet. Or maybe that is just people that understand how to use the DSM because apparently you are still trying to argue you can diagnose a stranger over an internet article and that is just wrong on many levels. Any psychological professional can tell you that. Ask your teacher maybe.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by Algernonsmouse

 

Lol, I read his comment as "Actually I am... taking a few classes... in developmental psychology."

Pretty much exactly what it sounds like from here. Lots of people love to play professional when they get in that psych 101 class but a trained professional would never read one article from a stranger and diagnose them.

Again, I'm not surprised to see ATS's top posters and top critics of OWS NOT commenting on threads like this. It too obviously opposes their dead set propaganda influenced (even if they won't admit it, the best propaganda makes people think their opinions are their own based on independent analysis of a subject) view of the protest.

Originally posted by PrimalRed
Considering they had a 72 hour warning that got stretched another couple days then 2 hours of warnings before the police said they would move in, i do not feel sorry for those people at all. They were pretty much asking for it.

These cops would perform the exact same if asked to infringe on various constitutional rights.

But as long as they give a fair 72 hour warning that makes it all okay, we must comply.

Originally posted by Fractured.Facade
He is a 'writer', and obviously an activist involved in this movement, and you take his words as absolute truth here?

But I thought the people at OWS were homeless jobless drug addict alcoholic rich kid hipster communist anarchists.

Now even the profession of being a "writer" can be added as another negative adjective to describe the protesters at OWS.

Originally posted by Magnum007
OMG... what a sissy... we have to have this done to us in training (we practice on each other)... It shows that this guy is a writer because this is "really really obvious" BS...

I'm sure you guys practice the same level of care and force on each other in training as you do on the de-humanized resistors.

Originally posted by Algernonsmouse

Originally posted by PrimalRed

The criterion for all these mental disorders can be found in the DSM IV, though they do seem to change depending on how the doctors decide to vote. The official criteria for PTSD is

Anyone who knows what the DSM is also knows you cannot diagnose a stranger over the internet. Or maybe that is just people that understand how to use the DSM because apparently you are still trying to argue you can diagnose a stranger over an internet article and that is just wrong on many levels. Any psychological professional can tell you that. Ask your teacher maybe.

Did i mention anything about diagnosing someone over the internet? No, i didn't think so Mr. Strawman

reply to post by PrimalRed


So you are the third person to jump in about your expertise on the issue of PTSD as it applies and was diagnosed in this thread for no reason then?

Or are you suggesting any idiot can flip open the latest DSM and diagnose people if they so choose? Otherwise it seems nonsensical to point out where you can find the criteria. Two posters already claimed to be doctors and one diagnosed a stranger over the internet. You suggest anyone can just look up the criteria and that is all there is to it?

reply to post by Algernonsmouse


I was pointing out some myths about PTSD
One person was claiming that it is "not a disorder or a mental illness" which is not true and can easily be seen if you know what PTSD stands for
The other person was saying it is a long lasting disorder, which also is not really true. It only has to be a month for it to be called PTSD.

reply to post by PrimalRed


and I was questioning your expertise.
I apologize if the reason why I questioned it to begin with was off. There are just so many internet psychaitrists in this thread and yet, I know for a fact you are not one. So I was curious.

Originally posted by Drezden
Again, I'm not surprised to see ATS's top posters and top critics of OWS NOT commenting on threads like this. It too obviously opposes their dead set propaganda influenced (even if they won't admit it, the best propaganda makes people think their opinions are their own based on independent analysis of a subject) view of the protest.

edit on 12/9/2011 by Drezden because: (no reason given)

lol. ows is a joke with or without some poncy writer or naomi klein getting "arrested".
people can smell pr stunts and as it seems ows drones don't like that. so suddenly
everyone who is not blindly supporting this ows psyop becomes a "hater" or something
even worse. conservative! oh, noes.

but i do agree. "the best propaganda makes people think their opinions are their own based on independent analysis of a subject". ows are masters of propaganda. just like the tptb.
ows is tptb. just presented as "an independent" errrmm... thought? yeah. something like that.

Originally posted by Drezden
But I thought the people at OWS were homeless jobless drug addict alcoholic rich kid hipster communist anarchists.

no, they are posers. most of them.