Disclosure 101

Originally posted by fusion47

I was just reading about the new planet that Kepler has discovered in a sun's habitable zone and started to wonder what all of this "search for alien life" activity could mean in terms of eventual disclosure.

So, the US government decides that it's citizens need to know that alien life exists. If they come out and say "we've been lying to you for decades and here's all we know about aliens, their ships, culture, etc" folks would probably be mad about at the long running deception...to put it mildly.

Another route is to "discover" alien life and let information out as what was "just" discovered. Such as "we've just discovered a planet in a habitable zone...oh wait, just got an alien signal...oh wait, they're on the way...oh wait, now they're here...oh wait, aliens are now here for the first time ever! let's learn about them together!"

It would be a way to "disclose" the truth of alien life without coming clean about covering it up since forever.

*** Of course you may argue that disclosure will never come for whatever reason, but that's not the topic of this thread.

People need to understand that "Disclosure" is not up to the United States government, if, in fact, that's what we're implying. It will never come out of the White House for many reasons. First of all, no one-term president is probably made aware of the alien presence. Why? Agencies like the DIA, NSA, CIA would never tell inform a person who may only be in term for 4 years all the nation's secrets...that's just stupid. The people "in the know" include folk like Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfield, etc...people who have been in government since the 1950's, not people like Obama.

Most importantly, all the "goods" about aliens is not in the hands of the government, but buried Deep in defense contractors. Contractors like Lockheed, the Rand Corporation, Raytheon, Batelle Corporation, etc. There is a good reason the GAO found NOTHING when they looked into the USAF files on Roswell...because they don't exist. Here's why...government contractors are not subject to Freedom of Information Act Requestes (FOIA) like the government is. Anything the government has everybody already knows about....the good stuff was taken by private contractors LONG, LONG AGO.

It will only happen when they come and make themselves known on a gobal scale. (Typical White House lawn bs, invasion, motherships at each capital city in the world ect ect.)

I think the OP is right, just watching NBC and their announcement of Kepler22B, seems to be going right a long with the path outlined by the OP.

Originally posted by OMsk3ptic
I think the OP is right, just watching NBC and their announcement of Kepler22B, seems to be going right a long with the path outlined by the OP.

Right

Originally posted by SloAnPainful
It will only happen when they come and make themselves known on a gobal scale. (Typical White House lawn bs, invasion, motherships at each capital city in the world ect ect.)

Thank you for being a realist. What you say is true.

Originally posted by Cosmic911

Originally posted by SloAnPainful
It will only happen when they come and make themselves known on a gobal scale. (Typical White House lawn bs, invasion, motherships at each capital city in the world ect ect.)

Thank you for being a realist. What you say is true.

Thanks Cosmic911. Indeed I am a realist. However I am interested in UFOs/Aliens but IF the gov't has things to hide they just are not going to disclose something that they have been trying to keep secret since the 40s or earlier. (IF indeed thet are hiding anything at all).

-SAP-

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Anything they HAD, is in the hands of the contractors...there is nothing left to disclose...

Originally posted by Cosmic911
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Anything they HAD, is in the hands of the contractors...there is nothing left to disclose...

Really? Give it the hand of "private sector" contractors? This is new to me I didn't know they would do something like that. Although it is a good idea. You learn something new everyday.

-SAP-

Originally posted by SloAnPainful

Originally posted by Cosmic911
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Anything they HAD, is in the hands of the contractors...there is nothing left to disclose...

Really? Give it the hand of "private sector" contractors? This is new to me I didn't know they would do something like that. Although it is a good idea. You learn something new everyday.

-SAP-

Sure...do you think private contractors are subject to FOIA requests? Who do think is more trustworthy? A government worker making $50,000/year or a private contractor making $100,000 with a pension and a decent retirement. Why do think you the employees bording JANET flights from Macaran Airport to Detachment 3 RUN when they see media?

reply to post by fusion47

Another route is to "discover" alien life and let information out as what was "just" discovered. Such as "we've just discovered a planet in a habitable zone...oh wait, just got an alien signal...oh wait, they're on the way...oh wait, now they're here...oh wait, aliens are now here for the first time ever! let's learn about them together!"

That gave me a really good laugh.

....cause it's so true

Hello ATS,
This is my first post, so go easy on me. I am reading ATS since a while but just tonight decided to join the discussions.

In my opinion we are mixing up two different issues or disclosures. One is admitting that there is life out there and the second is admitting to have made contact. Well the first has already been disclosed since the beginning of astrology. The second disclosure is the one that the OP is talking about, which already happened but not from an official point of view and it wont happen due to conflicting interests.

Just thinking about these conflicting interests, I ask myself who benefits/loses the most if contact is disclosed. Well the scientific community and curious people like us would benefit a lot from it, and in my opinion religion will be the biggest loser.

We curious people are the customers (paying taxes). The scientists (the ones at the front line) are working for the governments and various agencies, even the private sector is being monitored and semi controlled by the officials. The governments are working not for, but in coordination with the religious power houses around the world.

Just thinking out loud: We want disclosure, and believe me that the scientists also want the same. The officials would like to keep it for themselves in order to capitalize on it. The theocratic community would lose everything if disclosure would ever happen, so they have their reasons for not wanting it.

So we find unusual stuff, anomalies, UFO's and want to corner them so they cannot say anything other than what we want to hear: "That there is more than the eye meets".

Do you see how we all pull to different directions regarding disclosure?

I appreciate any comments you may have. Apologies for my broken English as it is not my first language. Thanks for your time.

reply to post by StringTh


Welcome to ATS StringTh. Just to let you know there are also introduction threads/forum as well. Great opeing post. I agree with you, there are two different types of it. The one most of us would probally be refering to is disclosure from the gov't and releasing ALL types of information they have on the subject. But all in all you are right.

Once again...Welcome to ATS.

-SAP-

Originally posted by SloAnPainful
reply to post by StringTh

 

Welcome to ATS StringTh. Just to let you know there are also introduction threads/forum as well. Great opeing post. I agree with you, there are two different types of it. The one most of us would probally be refering to is disclosure from the gov't and releasing ALL types of information they have on the subject. But all in all you are right.

Once again...Welcome to ATS.

-SAP-

Thanks for the warm welcome. Much appreciated. And in your English it sounds all much more better. Thanks for understanding my point.

Originally posted by StringTh

Originally posted by SloAnPainful
reply to post by StringTh

 

Welcome to ATS StringTh. Just to let you know there are also introduction threads/forum as well. Great opeing post. I agree with you, there are two different types of it. The one most of us would probally be refering to is disclosure from the gov't and releasing ALL types of information they have on the subject. But all in all you are right.

Once again...Welcome to ATS.

-SAP-

Thanks for the warm welcome. Much appreciated. And in your English it sounds all much more better. Thanks for understanding my point.

Sorry my English is "American English" so I am sorry for the spelling errors.

-SAP-

Originally posted by Blue Shift
They already had disclosure a few weeks ago. The White House said that it didn't know anything much about UFOs other than they were unidentified, and that they weren't aware of any aliens, so there was no sense in connecting the two. Disclosure. The end.

It was in all the papers.

That's not how it works. The believer crowd will only listen to things they want to hear. Anything that doesn't confirm their ignorant delusions gets pushed aside. I know you know this though, anyone with half a brain that has been around this subject for more than a minute knows the scoop about how things work around here.

As far as scientists saying they have found a planet that might be in a habitable zone of another star......as much as folks around here want to take any type of space news and twist it to feed their conspiracy needs, this has nothing to do with "disclosure". It is what it is. They think they found a lump of rock, much bigger than Earth, circling closer to a cooler star about 600+ light years away. For some that is exciting enough, but for others they needs to jazz it up a little bit and put on their tin foil hats.

Originally posted by Cosmic911
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Anything they HAD, is in the hands of the contractors...there is nothing left to disclose...

Ha, don't you say earlier that they don't trust such secrets to elected officials that might be short term (even though the ones you gave examples of being long term still carry the same short term time limit risks, lol....think it through for crying out loud man!)....but then you say it is in private hands? Think about that for a second. Just sit there and think about it. Sure you read it in a book, saw it parroted on the internet over and over....and in your mind the logic makes sense. But seriously think about that for a second and you will come up with very logical and elementary school level reasons why your assumption about alien technology being in private for-profit companies and remaining clandestine is HIGHLY improbable.

I just knew this conversation would derail into a dozen different directions.

Assuming there is alien life, the gov't knows it (or contractors or whoever else), and for whatever reason it is decided to be disclosed (by whoever with the power to make the call)....could the disclosure process not be as carefully crafted as the coverup?

Yes, sometimes a new planet is just a new planet. Yes, maybe there's nothing to disclose. Yes, maybe the CEO of Lockheed Martin can overrule the US president.

Maybe I should have used a Star Trek-ish analogy to "imagine a world where the following assumptions are true..."

reply to post by fusion47

I just knew this conversation would derail into a dozen different directions.

Don't they always..? Sorry I'm off topic again... >.<

-SAP-

Originally posted by Epirus
reply to post by fusion47

 

There's still a chance that there's nothing to disclose.

That's what I used to think, then...

just keep looking up

Originally posted by Cosmic911

Originally posted by fusion47

I was just reading about the new planet that Kepler has discovered in a sun's habitable zone and started to wonder what all of this "search for alien life" activity could mean in terms of eventual disclosure.

So, the US government decides that it's citizens need to know that alien life exists. If they come out and say "we've been lying to you for decades and here's all we know about aliens, their ships, culture, etc" folks would probably be mad about at the long running deception...to put it mildly.

Another route is to "discover" alien life and let information out as what was "just" discovered. Such as "we've just discovered a planet in a habitable zone...oh wait, just got an alien signal...oh wait, they're on the way...oh wait, now they're here...oh wait, aliens are now here for the first time ever! let's learn about them together!"

It would be a way to "disclose" the truth of alien life without coming clean about covering it up since forever.

*** Of course you may argue that disclosure will never come for whatever reason, but that's not the topic of this thread.

No offense, but no one with half a brain would believe that.

I'm sorry, but that was very rude! No, I'm not sorry.

The truth is, a lot of people do believe that. And I'm not so sure we're the ones with "half a brain".