No, America's unemployment rate is not 8.6 percent

Just laugh at people right in their face when they try to say stuff like this. I do!

There's more than a few ways these numbers can be fudged to make it look like things are improving.

When the big picture is put together, the US never really recovered from the tech bubble. We entered a recession about a decade ago, and entered into depression territory in 2008. Here in 2011, we're teetering on the edge of collapse.

I say, let's watch it burn!!

So technically, the government didn't lie! They simply "forgot" to mention important factors and variables involved!

Deceitful buggers, ain't they?

reply to post by 2Isee3rd


To be able to even qualify for the benefits, you have to work so many hours. But, how can you work for those hours if your employer, doesn't supply you with those hours?

You, work, for nothing.

Simple and period.

It is frustrating.

And you wonder why some stories, half the stories, are half-cocked.

I can't blame them for their actions with the way society made them out to be.

Society is to blame.

reply to post by Manhater

Society is to blame.

I agree with you, but maybe in different context. Society is to blame for letting it happen

Between the number of welfare over 50 million and 25 million unemployed that the real number leave it up to the good ole "government creative accounting" to see the real number which is over 75 million out of work and underemployed.

At any rate what ever numbers the Goverment passes out are complete bs.

I'd like to also see are the numbers related to people employed that have full time jobs that still can't afford decent shelter and food. I'm in that catagory and they cut alot of programs out of my medical benefits too

reply to post by -W1LL

About the only "statistics" more perversely manipulated than unemployment stats are crime statistics. Neither have any basis in reality and both are produced with such shoddy methodologies that it is foolish to even consider them as any indication of the demographic reality they are seeking to protray.

Think about it - when they describe the unemployment numbers they then go into how other factors that are directly related to real unemployment are not factored in making the numbers they just presented invalid on their face. A few days later they come out with a story about how an entire class of folks were counted as employed who were really not - like Obama counting the same census worker they hired and fired three times in 90 days three new jobs added.

Why bother? Real unemployment is close to 20% and the level of under employment is significant. Lay on top of that those folks who work on a commission basis who, while still having jobs have had their income cut by 1/2 or more.

Now the administration has moved away from job creation - the new measure is how many jobs they saved. They have a real handle on that whole can't prove a negative business.

So does anyone think they can put together some data and come up with a roundabout percentage that represents the unemployment?

I know it's got to be much higher than 8.6 percent.

to many people not enough jobs.the fix.

Depopulate

or move over seas were we moved the work.

reply to post by -W1LL


More like 17% IMHO

reply to post by SkipperJohn


we could retire the boomers early, with full social security benefits, and let the younger ones have jobs.....
weather they want them or not???
us old folks have everything we want anyways, if we decide to buy another house, it's gonna be downsizing after the kids move out...
it's the younger ones who are gonna be fueling the economy, buying homes, starting families, ipods, home theaters, and on and on...
if you give the money us old folks we're just gonna stash it under the mattress since we're being told constantly that social security isn't gonna be there for us...
now, kids, they don't have the foresight usually to worry about something that far away. they'll spend their money on all the neat gadgets they can find!!!
retire the old (with enough of a pension to live comfortably on), put the young to work!!! I am sick of seeing these young people not working a day and knowing that there's a 90 year old lady working 40 hours a week helping to pay their way through life!!!

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by sonnny1

 

They are putting icing on a turd and calling it cake.

Yeah, the icing is made from aspartame..no sugar for you!


I think you have had a bit to much to think..

nice av..

Don't believe the figures for jobs created for the last two months, or for this month for that matter. This happens at this time every year as retailers hire allot of extra employees for the holidays. The jobs are temporary and most will disappear come january when the holiday return season ends. At that time the retailers will get rid of most of the people hired for the holiday rush. With a spike in unemployment come january.

This happens every year but most people never notice. Most of the people who will be laid off come january won't be counted either because they won't have worked long enough to qualify for unemployment.

Originally posted by 2Isee3rd
So technically, the government didn't lie! They simply "forgot" to mention important factors and variables involved!

Deceitful buggers, ain't they?

Yes they are , A lie of omission is still a lie. They couldn't tell the truth if their lives depended on it. It would make the politicians look bad.

reply to post by lonegurkha


They said the same thing this time last year. The MSM cheered and sent praise for the recovery. Come January, the 1.4% that was hired for the Christmas season will be terminated. The MSM will continue to talk about December.

reply to post by seabag


If people gave up looking for jobs, then they are not looking and part of the unemployment numbers are they?

That is just silly.

reply to post by Henley


Unemployment numbers factor in holiday hiring. They are not that stupid. Just like they also edge the numbers for temprorary hiring in spring for landscaping work.
They estimate these numbers outside of the usual norms.

And for the sensationalists who want to make the sky to fall and the aliens to invade, making up baseless statistics to make the unemployment numbers higher then they are, doesn't make them higher then they are.

I certainly hope you people don't do your taxes this way.

8.6 is 8.6 no matter how you try to fudge it.

And no, this is no where near the Great Depression, so don't even try to compare. And people forget their history and that one of the things that made the GD what is was is the agricultural whammy that hit at the same time.

And no one killed themselves at that time either.

If there was a 20-25% unemployment, what sector is it in?

IT is stil booming, hospitals still have doctors and nurses, and my commute still sucks.

Life would be completely different at a 20% unemployment rate.

reply to post by nixie_nox


I might be wrong, but even if you are looking for work, but not seeking assistance from the labor debt....registering with them so you can take advantage of their job database...
well, I don't think you are counted..
but, like I said, I might be wrong.

reply to post by nixie_nox


They don't factor in the people who are off unemployment and still can't find a job these folks just fall through the cracks and at this point are probably in the majority of the unemployed. Especially as most people fail to realize that this down trend in employment has accelerated since the crash in '08.

The sector most affected by unemployment is manufacturing. This used to be the major soure for employment in this country. Now all these jobs are employing people in foriegn countries.