Earth is a self-aware living creature

reply to post by Sly1one


So if you or your family get a disease which a few years ago was terminal, you would not take it? Sure you would don't fool yourself, you have electricity right? You have a computer of course, so you are very much a part of human 'evolution' so don't sound so self-righteous. You are just like every one of us!

If the earth is a self aware living creature, why doesn't it replicate? I thought that was an essential trait for an organism to be called "alive". Just because you can anthropomorphize the world doesn't necessarily count as proof. In fact, that's a specific product of human evolution, so I could use you and your article as proof of humans being more advanced than other organisms.

reply to post by Sly1one


I don't agree one bit. If Earth was a self regulating entity there would be discipline for what we have done. Perhaps the great famine will occur without a moments notice and we will have to act entirely differently once again.

Originally posted by wulff
reply to post by Sly1one

 

So if you or your family get a disease which a few years ago was terminal, you would not take it? Sure you would don't fool yourself, you have electricity right? You have a computer of course, so you are very much a part of human 'evolution' so don't sound so self-righteous. You are just like every one of us!

Never said I wasn't part of the problem if you read what I said, was HUMANITY all together is the issue and I AM just as much a part of that as anyone else.

The big difference here is I am open for change and up for adapting humanity to live in harmony etc...Others however refuse this notion for a multitude of reasons some of which I couldn't possibly understand. Some of those reasons being denial, comfort, convenience, arrogance etc..

As far as my family gets a disease unfortunately due to the status quo it would be EXPECTED of me to "do something" about the disease otherwise I would be perceived as negligent, irresponsible etc...

I do not AGREE with 99% of what modern medicine has provided for us on several different levels. I do not get vaccinations now because of my personal feelings on the arrogance of man and the superior arrogance of how man USES science to accommodation his agenda (which is not real science).

Personally I have made my peace with nature and is processes and that includes death. I don't disillusion myself into thinking I won't feel pain from a loss but I know that its unavoidable and all "part of the process" regardless of my personal opinion on it.

I wasn't on a high horse I am very much using that technology I just demonized in my last post...however, I am open and willing to live in a world where I would be talking to you about this face to face...I actually prefer it honestly.

My family has a plan of being re-routing our lives as much as possible to live with nature instead of against it. This includes growing our own garden and living low impact lives and getting accustomed to new forms of entertainment such as "watching the sun set" (as boring as that may seem in comparison to call of duty, which I play). This won't be over night it can't be the human race is so immersed in the modern opinion and perspective of the world and what it should be like that it can't be over night.

Originally posted by MeesterB
If the earth is a self aware living creature, why doesn't it replicate? I thought that was an essential trait for an organism to be called "alive". Just because you can anthropomorphize the world doesn't necessarily count as proof. In fact, that's a specific product of human evolution, so I could use you and your article as proof of humans being more advanced than other organisms.

I would argue the earth does replicate it replicates LIFE over and over and over and over...earth is the mother to countless forms of life and it's not a reach to make that statement.

Just because the earth isn't reproducing by traditional human methods does not mean its not reproducing at all.

Pretty pictures, but it's like seeing shapes in clouds.

Just because a cloud looks like an elephant doesn't mean that's what it is.

Earth doesn't function like a human body either, the functions won't be similar.

However I would pose the thesis; every being is a part of a larger being.

Cells make up your body, but their level of consciousness and behavior is very different than for you, you make up part of a company or crowd, but the consciousness and behavior of the larger being is very different than that of you.

Originally posted by RightWingAvenger
reply to post by Sly1one

 

I don't agree one bit. If Earth was a self regulating entity there would be discipline for what we have done. Perhaps the great famine will occur without a moments notice and we will have to act entirely differently once again.

There is discipline in the form of diseases, climate change, earth-quakes etc...just because its not in the form of a hand to your ass doesn't mean its not discipline.

reply to post by Sly1one


An object being able to facilitate life does not make it alive in itself. E. coli can grow on an agar plate, but that doesn't make the agar alive.

Edit: and yes, the earth has to reproduce according to the definition of reproduction, or else it isn't reproducing. Discourse is framed in definitions. Without a common ground to debate, no points can be made.

This idea has been discussed in several threads on ATS already.Gaiaism became popularized back in the 1980's. It is now generally rejected by most of mainstream science as a workable ecological paradigm. The few remaining adherents have added spiritual values and morphed it into a religion of sorts, intermingled with deep ecology and ecosophy.


here are a couple of threads that discuss this.



www.abovetopsecret.com...
"- the Earth is a living, dynamic organism in many ways we never suspected. Example: Many analogies reveal the ways in which the biosphere behaves like an organism. "

www.abovetopsecret.com...
"The whole thing is alive!" This is the truly awesome realization brought about by the trip to the moon. The whole planet appears to be alive--not just teeming with life but an organism in its own right."

Originally posted by MeesterB
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An object being able to facilitate life does not make it alive in itself. E. coli can grow on an agar plate, but that doesn't make the agar alive.

Edit: and yes, the earth has to reproduce according to the definition of reproduction, or else it isn't reproducing. Discourse is framed in definitions. Without a common ground to debate, no points can be made.

edit on 12/3/2011 by MeesterB because: (no reason given)

again that Agar plate is already (because of earth) in a hospitable environment, there is no life floating around in outer space, it NEEDS a biosphere. ALL life that we know of exists because of the earth that made your Agar plate even work...you cannot reduce something like the earth to an Agar plate...Agar plates aren't floating around in outer space spawning life...Agar plates don't have their own atmosphere, biosphere etc...

I personally agree 100%, and I hope that this awareness may provide some much needed love and concern for the health of our planet and species.
S&F!

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AWESOME THREAD!

I completely agree with you. I've always thought the Earth was alive, it's just logical to me. What's the proof? We are! What are we? Are we separated from Earth, or are we Earth. Think about it, what are we made of? The very same materials that the Earth is made of. The particles are rearranged in another way, but still, it's the same material.

The Earth is the mother, and the Sun is the father. Gaia births us, and the Sun gives us the light and the subtle (maybe not so subtle) energies required for life to exist.

But being more specific on the topic of this thread, as above, so below. Here's how I see it. Everything is a system to something. Atoms, then cells, then organs, then us, then planets, then the planetary systems, then the galaxies, then the streams of galaxy, then something even bigger, then something even bigger, and so on.

I think the Universe is a fractal continuum. I do believe as well that everything single thing is "alive".

Thanks for that thread!

I get what the OP is saying, but a straight comparison of the earth and humans as living entity just doesnt seem all that accurate. The part of the earth everyone is referring to is mostly just the lithosphere and the hydrosphere which combined only account for less than 3% of the earth's mass. The interconnectedness of the biosphere with relation to plants and animals can be looked at as a living organism, but for the entire earth is stretching it, that is unless you believe the non-biological parts are alive. Plate tectonics is closer to physics than biology, and you wanna talk about getting rid of cancers, earthquakes is the way to go
And I don't see the relation between earthquakes and human behavior, especially since we justify behavior.

reply to post by Sly1one


You totally missed my point which was "An object being able to facilitate life does not make it alive in itself." Refute that

Good luck with these crazy ideas

reply to post by ShadowAngel85

And what knowledge do you have to say it is not possible ?

Excellent, intelligent, thought provoking thread - Well done OP

I really enjoyed reading this thread, until the God Squad turned up....

Originally posted by wulff
I can;t believe so many members really think the earth is "alive" as in a biological sense.. like people, it is made of rock, (some molten) water, more rock, a metal core and organisms living on and slightly below it's surface!
Comparing rivers to blood vessels, etc. ridicules human intelligence God gave you!!
I will agree that there are a lot of strange things in this universe but come on people, get serious! We have come a long way from when people thought the Sun was a living being and would sacrifice (murder) a poor victim to please it so it would come up the next day! Or have we? Seems some of you have not evolved past that stage!
I think I will look for a more intelligent thread!

I find it ironic you are ridiculing beliefs and saying people have not evolved beyond a certain stage of thought while ascribing intelligence as a gift from a God. You do realize there are people out there who would say a belief in a God denotes a very primitive unevolved mindset? (That would not be me, I am a Christian).

As to the other posts addressed to me, good responses! I can't really think of anything in the way of arguing against those points. This has most definitely been an interesting discussion.

You're not the only one thinking like this.
Here is The Living Cosmos Theory, which I find very plausible. The many empirical evidences pointing to the fact that the earth is a living entity are more than convincing. I think you'll find it interesting.

S&F for a great thread.

Very interesting theories being shared on this thread, great read.

The question that I keep asking myself though is what is life? My personal opinion which I think is neither right or wrong, is for something to be considered alive it should follow the basic rules of everything we know to be alive ie. be born, grow, die and decay then recycle. All plants, trees, animals, humans, bacteria ect all do this, but on their own time table.

But how about this, couldn't it be said that the earth was born? Couldn't it be said that the earth grew, and as we know eventually it will die and when it does it will break up and decay into something else... which will then go on to form another kind of body, meteor, asteroid, moon, other planet what ever. The sun is the same, born, grew, will die at some point and many other things will be created from it's decay. What makes our life more special than this kind of life? Is life just the universal law of the universe? These are all questions, not claims on my part, just writing out lound and getting ideas on the page.

Self awareness, I think you need a soul/spirit, which ever name you like to use to claim something is self aware. I believe animals and humans have this, plants and so forth maybe not, but really who knows. I remember watching that awesome documentary "Life" and there was a part when it showed a vine crawling up a wall in time lapse and the way they filmed it, it looked almost exactly like a skinny green man scaling a wall. It used it's "hands" to grip and pull it's self up, it used it's "legs" to brace it's self against a ledge, really cool actually. So maybe other things can be self aware as well, but we have to look outside of our time perspective, not everything lives by the same clock as us. Flash back to lord of the rings and the Ents, maybe that groaning in the forest is actually the trees talking to each other, but it seems so slow to us that we can't notice it lol.

Cool stuff, learning lots reading this thread

reply to post by Shadow Herder


The idea of earth as Gaia is wery wholistic, but the UN has hijacked the concept to ensnare New Age types to go along with their agenda of de-population. Thus it becomes a very dangerous concept in the hands of power-hungry people.