Jesus is NOT a copy from Pagan religions! Those are lies! Do research and do not believe!

reply to post by arpgme


Yeah, Mithra born of a rock is Waaaay more ridiculous than: "The talking snake that caused the downfall of humanity, or the Senior Citizen who put some of every kind of animal on earth on his boat, to avoid an impending flood that God tipped him off about; or the other Senior Citizen who lead an entire nation through the red sea, got 10 [obvious] commandments I.E. don't kill, don't steal, don't screw your neighbors wife(Wow what a revelation) and led them around in circles for 40 years until he was a SUPER Senior Citizen only to be told Screw you Mo, no promise land for you. No, you're right the Mithra story is way more ridiculous. You guys can't monopolize all the stupid. Give another fake religion a chance. Who know 100 years from now we'll have Justin Bieberism and the Holy Roman church of Jersey Shore. Christianity's over son, Ya'll been waiting for that dude for like 2000 years. Christians act like the girlfriend who didn't get it after the 3rd restraining order. YA'LL BROKE UP!!! Even the Roman Catholics are talking about aliens. They Killed billions of people.

(Stereotypical Italian voice): "Popa whaza going on?"
"Don't worry we wannit ta be a supriza... Jesus iz ona shippa..."
"What about my 83 year old mamma mia"
"We gotta special placa for you mamma, It looks lika dumpster on da outzide but itsa shippa on da inside."

reply to post by boymonkey74


Of course, just because someone says he is the only way, doesn't mean he is. But, this is why we need to look at Jesus' miracles as a proof that He was right about who He said He was. Jesus walked on water, calmed a storm with a command, raised people from the dead, and rose from the dead Himself. It is the fact of His incredible deeds.

Now, if Joe Schmoe on the street said that he was the only way to God, we'd look at him and say, "Yeah, right." But, if Joe calmed a storm with a command, raised someone from the dead, walked on water, etc., that would add a lot of credibility to his claim. After all, he is demonstrating extraordinary abilities consistent with his claim.

This is the case with Jesus. He made extraordinary claims and performed extraordinary deeds. Therefore, it is logical to conclude that what Jesus said was true -- especially since He claimed to be God (John 8:24,58; 10:30-33; 5:18).

Also, consider that no one else has done what Jesus has done. No one else has risen from the dead, calmed storms, raised others from the dead, and fulfilled numerous prophecies, etc. Though some may have claimed to be able to do one or two of these things, none have done all the things Christ has done as well as claim divinity. Since Christ has done all of these things and since He claims to be God in flesh, then it is logical to believe what He has said... that He is the only way.

reply to post by manna2

It was stated that Adam Seth and Enoch devised mazzaroth to pass on these prophecies that the posers and imposters used to decieve man to sway worship from Yah to themselves.

The Mazzaroth(Zodiac) is slight evidence at best. Both Seiss and Bullinger who wrote books on this have been criticized for their lack of documentation. And that Adam, Seth, and Enoch created it is more Arab and Persian tradition than anything else, is it not?

Still, the zodiac is quite old to be sure. But just because it was co-opted by the Jews and/or christians later on doesn't make it a creation of god, or the story of the messiah written in the heavens.

And if I recall, tradition says something to the effect of it representing two judgements. One by water, and another by fire.

Giving the benefit of the doubt though, and saying the three men really did devise it. That doesn't mean what they envisioned in the stars was any more acccurate than any other cultures story of their gods in the night skies.

Originally posted by RevelationGeneration

Also, consider that no one else has done what Jesus has done. No one else has risen from the dead, calmed storms, raised others from the dead, and fulfilled numerous prophecies, etc. Though some may have claimed to be able to do one or two of these things, none have done all the things Christ has done as well as claim divinity. Since Christ has done all of these things and since He claims to be God in flesh, then it is logical to believe what He has said... that He is the only way.

I have been wondering a lot if these miracles are symbolic the way a lot of things in the Bible are symbolic. I keep thinking about the fact that as much as is written of Jesus in the Bible... we are never given a physical description of him at all. The way we wouldn't if a story is mythological. Some would say a physical description isn't important. And I agree..but... when we write about people we always describe them. That is a lot of books in the Bible with no physical description and he came to the world as a man as well as the Son of God. Shouldn't there be one? Its something that bugs me and makes me wonder why?

Originally posted by arpgme

Originally posted by Beamish
reply to post by GmoS719

 

To say "Sex wasn't involved" would suggest that Sex COULD be involved.

Are you being serious? When I said:

Unless someone had sex with a rock

did you think I was suggesting it was a possibility?

The point of the matter is the concept.

Mithra and Jesus were allegedly both born without procreation having taken place.

Virgin can have several meanings, not just in relation to sex.

being the first or happening for the first time

www.thefreedictionary.com...

So with that in mind, Mithra having been born of a rock – which was a first – then his is a virgin birth.

Which is Incorrect. So VIRGIN can not be applied to a rock.

It is correct. And it can be applied.

But obviously not if you are devout Christian.

OK, you can call a birth from a rock a virgin birth if you want, it still does not relate to Jesus. Only he was born of a virgin HUMAN mother...

Originally posted by lilowl53
I tend to go for the notion that Jesus is actually the "sun" and not the"son". 12 Disciples, 12 constellations in the zodiac, Sirius...etc.

Ok, so if Jesus represents the Sun (Leo), and The virgin marry represents the Virgo, why is it that Jesus (Leo) came from The Virgin Marry (Virgo), does that make any chronological sense to you?

Also, if Jesus is the Sun and Jesus had 12 deciples, why is it that the 12 deciples doesn't have the 12 qualities of the different zodiac signs? One of them was a tax collector, which zodiac sign does THAT represent?

It's scary that an Atheist would say that even with evidence they still wouldn't believe because they already came to a "conclusion". VERY scary indeed. It's sort of like the ultra religious people...

Even though I found out that Jesus existed, I'm not sure what to make of it... There can be a number of conclusions to make here, but at least I'M being open minded and admitting that he DID in fact exist...

You are talking about open mindedness, yet you are shooting down every other possibility that other people have pointed out, and you are not even considering those options. i am sorry but that is not open mindedness, that is being close minded. you are also taking things too literal, open your mind, and realize the bible is not to be taken literal, it's all symbolic! What people are putting on the table is the same thing you are saying, you can't see it!

reply to post by FugitiveSoul

"to bind up"

That's one of the many meanings of the word religion (from Lactantius, who decided to side-step etymology), but there are others you neglected to mention. When delving into the meaning(s) of religio (the latin origin of religion) even the Romans couldn't decide on a single definition... at least not at first. From Cicero: Religio was taken from the verb relegere, which means "to read and re-read text", making religion a word for describing the works of scholars.
It took the Romans, who in conquering the world were forced to become its first anthropologists, to realize that behind all this multifariousness was something about which it was possible to generalize. From its original meaning of “punctilious respect for the sacred,” religio came to denote any comprehensive human system of organizing and expressing such respect. Religio was, Cicero finally wrote, cultus deorum, “the worship of the gods.”

Yep you are right there are several Latin words which may have served as the origin of our English word "religion." The Latin word religo meant "to tie or fasten." A similar word, religio, was used to refer to "respect, devotion or superstition." Religio was a recognition that men are often tied or bound to God in reverence or devotion. It can also convey the meaning of being bound or tied to a set of rules and regulations, to rituals of devotion, to a creedal belief-system, or to a cause, ideology, or routine. Some have suggested that "religion" may be derived from the Latin word relegere, which refers to re-reading. There is no doubt that "religion" is often associated with repetitious rites of liturgy and litany, and the reproduction of creedal formulas and expressions. Most etymologists, however, regard the English word "religion" to be derived from the Latin word religare which is closely aligned with the root word religo. The prefix re- means "back" or "again," and the word ligare refers to "binding, tying or attaching." Other English words such as "ligature," referring to "something that is used to bind," and "ligament" which "binds things together," evidence the same root in the Latin word ligare. The Latin word religare, from which our English word "religion" is most likely derived, meant "to tie back" or "to bind up."

Islam is one of the three Abrahamic religions (as are Christianity and Judaism). The God is the same. The difference stems from the mortal element, ie> Jesus, Muhammad, Moses, etc.

Are we to assume that just because the Quran states that Allah is Yahweh of the Bible that both Jews and Christians are obligated to believe this to be true? Or do we examine the nature and attributes of Allah in order to compare them with the biblical portrait of Yahweh to find if this is the case?

The Holy Bible teaches that God cannot be tempted by evil and neither tempts anyone with evil; evil being understood as referring to immorality and sin. James 1:13

Yet, the Quran teaches that Allah is the author of evil:

Verily, the hypocrites seek to deceive Allah, but it is He Who deceives them. And when they stand up for As-Salat (the prayer), they stand with laziness and to be seen of men, and they do not remember Allah but little. S. 4:142 Hilali-Khan

And that's just one scripture out of many, that I could show you from the koran

Allah was a pre-Islamic pagan deity. In fact, he was the Moon-god who was married to the sun goddess and the stars were his daughters. Why do you think they pray toward Mecca several times a day?

Archaeologists have uncovered temples to the Moon-god throughout the Middle East. From the mountains of Turkey to the banks of the Nile, the most wide-spread religion of the ancient world was the worship of the Moon-god. In the first literate civilization, the Sumerians have left us thousands of clay tablets in which they described their religious beliefs. As demonstrated by Sjoberg and Hall, the ancient Sumerians worshipped a Moon-god who was called many different names. The most popular names were Nanna, Suen and Asimbabbar. His symbol was the crescent moon.

Islam is refuted by solid, overwhelming archeological evidence. Islam is nothing more than a revival of the ancient Moon-god cult. It has taken the symbols, the rites, the ceremonies, and even the name of its god from the ancient pagan religion of the Moon-god. As such, it is sheer idolatry.

reply to post by LunaKat


That's because all of the details about Jesus described him as having hair like wool and skin like bronze burned in a furnace. Doesn't sound very caucasian, does it? No one wants to talk about the Judah either or that that tribe was, and has always been, black.

reply to post by FugitiveSoul

Interesting side bar: Most everyone goes to hell when they die. I say "most everyone" because there are plenty of people who never rest in a grave upon death, due to circumstance. In case you missed my previous posts on this matter, or missed the clues in the previous sentence, "Hell" translates literally into grave. Nothing more, nothing less. Hell is a place where dead people are placed.

Actually Hell is a place of eternal fire and punishment the scriptures clearly tell us that. Although Hell is one of those subjects that makes people uncomfortable (hence why scoffers always accuse christians of preaching hate) hell is definitely taught in the Bible.

Unquenchable Fire
Matt. 3:12 "And His winnowing fork is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clear His threshing floor; and He will gather His wheat into the barn, but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire."

Fiery Hell
Matt. 5:22, "whoever shall say, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell." See also, Matt. 5:29,30.

Fiery Hell
Matt. 18:8-9, "And if your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; it is better for you to enter life crippled or lame, than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into the eternal fire. 9 "And if your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out, and throw it from you. It is better for you to enter life with one eye, than having two eyes, to be cast into the fiery hell."

Eternal Fire
Matt. 25:41, "Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels.

Eternal Punishment
Matt. 25:46, "And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

The word "eternal" in both places is "aionios" which means 1) without beginning and end, that which always has been and always will be; 2) without beginning; 3) without end, never to cease, everlasting. The word "punishment" is the word "kolasis" and it means "to punish, with the implication of resulting severe suffering - 'to punish, punishment.'"5

Eternal Fire
Jude 7, "Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example, in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire."

Thrown into the lake of Fire
"And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever."

Lake of Fire
Rev. 20:15, "And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

Hell is a real place. It is not mere unconsciousness. It is not temporal. It is eternal torment. Perhaps that is why Jesus spoke more of hell than heaven and spent so much time warning people not to go there. After all, if people just stopped existing, why warn them? If it was temporal, they'd get out in a while. But if it were eternal and conscious, then the warning is strong.

Jesus said, "And if your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out, and throw it from you; for it is better for you that one of the parts of your body perish, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30 "And if your right hand makes you stumble, cut it off, and throw it from you; for it is better for you that one of the parts of your body perish, than for your whole body to go into hell," (Matt. 5:29-30).

reply to post by FugitiveSoul


Nope it doesn't sound very caucasian, I agree. And still it is symbolic.

Originally posted by RevelationGeneration


Actually Hell is a place of eternal fire and punishment the scriptures clearly tell us that. Although Hell is one of those subjects that makes people uncomfortable (hence why scoffers always accuse christians of preaching hate) hell is definitely taught in the Bible.

Yep Christianity teaches a lot about Hell. I would wager that I learned more about devils and Hell that I did about love and God while I was Christian from the Church. They seem to know more about that than anything. Big reason why I left.

reply to post by RevelationGeneration


Wait a damn minute! You're claiming Islam (an off-branch of Judaism, like Christianity, and a religion that recognizes both Christ's ascension into Heaven as well as his return) is an off-branch of paganistic religions, and are throwing comparisons out like they're candy, but when someone compares Christianity to paganism you scoff? Wow!

Mind = Blown

You literally just gave me a headache.

And the word "Hell" doesn't appear in the original Greek Testament, and neither is it mentioned in some newer OTs or NTs. I guess you got the remake edition, with all the extra scenes added in.

... and Hell still translates into "grave". So I'm guessing an "eternal" firey grave is the punishment. Except that eternal doesn't mean what you think it means either.

reply to post by RevelationGeneration


What's praying towards Mecca got to do with the moon, again?

Also you claim that the same name is used, How does Allah sound even remotely close to the other names you have listed for supposed moon gods?

reply to post by FugitiveSoul

A few of things wrong with this:
1) Paganism isn't a religion, hence it cannot be a "false religion."
2) Lucifer, in angelic theology, isn't the deceiver; it's Azazel.
3) Paganistic peoples pre-date Christianity. Did they borrow these "copy'd [copied] things" via time machine?

1. Paganism is a mystery religion that began at Babel where Satan could be
worshipped in secret as many still believed in the true God of Noah. Babylon is the cradle of ancient paganism.
2. Lucifer is the angel of light, that led the rebellion in heaven with the other angels, he is Satan the deceiver although he has many deceivers working for him, I don't know if Azazel is Satan, but they all have the same agenda so it doesn't matter.
3. So do you think Adam and Eve were pagan? Paganistic beliefs were made by man in opposition. Nothing predates YHWH. Jesus was also around before creation.

reply to post by RevelationGeneration


I consider myself Neo-Pagan and we do not worship Satan. The idea of Satan belongs to Christianity. Its why I left Christianity. I didn't want to hear any more about devils and Satan and Hell. "By their fruits you shall know them" and I was sick of all that stuff.

reply to post by Mentalistbee


Allah is sin. Often depicted as a wise old man with a long beard, the moon god Sin was one of the most important Babylonian gods. His main temples were situated at Ur and Harran. The moon god "sin" was elevated to the top of the Babylonian pantheon by Nabu-na'id (Nabonidus) in an effort to make Babylonian religion more acceptable to subjects like the Arabians and Arameans. The Arabians esteemed the moon god, but had more difficulty identifying with Marduk, the supreme Babylonian deity associated primarily with the city of Babylon. The god Sin, "The Controller of the Night," had the crescent moon as his emblem, and the lunar-based calendar, which became the primary religious symbols of Islam, was worshiped in Arabia as AI-Ilah. Mecca became the center of all pagan religions of Arabia before Mohammed. AI-Ilah, the Moon God, was the "Lord of the Ka'aba" ("cube") which held the pagan black rock idol and was formerly the center of pagan worship, ruling over 360 idols. Lucrative trade routes resulted in meca.

Pagans who lived in Saudi Arabia before Muhammad was born worshiped toward Mecca because Mecca is where their idols were located. Because this pagan worship centered on Mecca was so widespread, a rapid acceptance of Muhammad's new religion was possible. Thus, Islam is a previously heathen religion modified into a monotheistic form by discarding all the other pagan gods except for Al-Ilah. Al-Ilah simply became Al-lah over time.

Islam still worships a black stone idol as well as Al-Ilah the sin god. Al-Ilah was the pagan Lord of the Ka'aba when Muhammad made up Islam, he just dropped the "i" and name has been simplified to Allah. The Ka'aba black cube in Mecca houses the occult black rock of Allah. It is of course still the center of pagan Islamic worship today. The requirement for a Holy Pilgrimage (hajj) to Mecca, in order to circle the Ka'aba. The site of the black stone idol is to be circled 7 times and kissed. Pilgrims then run to the Wadi Mina to throw stones at the "devil". Islam incorporates beliefs in jinns which are demons genies, fairies. They believe in spells, magic stones, fetishes, and animistic beliefs (spirits living in inanimate objects). See: Suras 55; 72; 113, 114. These pagan rites are practiced in Islam today.

reply to post by RevelationGeneration

1. Paganism is a mystery religion that began at Babel where Satan could be
worshipped in secret as many still believed in the true God of Noah. Babylon is the cradle of ancient paganism.

Wrong. Pagan: from the latin Paganus, meaning rustic, rural, or a district marked by posts.
The romans used to refer to anyone who wasn't an enlisted member of the military as a pagan; their version of civilian, I suppose.

2. Lucifer is the angel of light, that led the rebellion in heaven with the other angels, he is Satan the deceiver although he has many deceivers working for him, I don't know if Azazel is Satan, but they all have the same agenda so it doesn't matter.

Wrong. Lucifer was the angel of light, but it was Azazel and two others who led the war in heaven, and after being cast down to Earth (some say the desert, some the sea. I prefer sea because it accomodates other cultures' stories of "gods" being cast into the sea), Azazel became the official leader of the fallen. (this is all theological myth of course)

3. So do you think Adam and Eve were pagan? Paganistic beliefs were made by man in opposition. Nothing predates YHWH. Jesus was also around before creation.

Adam and Eve, if you believe they were the real originals, which if you believe that you'd have to believe that they weren't original at all, that others came before them, were in fact pagan in that they lived rustically. To say nothing predates Yahweh is a bit obvious... IF you're a blind believer of such things.

reply to post by LunaKat


If you do not worship the God of Noah, then you worship satan by default. Preaching of hell is important, if you had a loved one was walking towards a cliff, wouldn't it only be right to warn them? If pastor is not preaching hell then they are not doing there job. Even Jesus mentioned hell more then he did heaven. This was for a very important reason. Satan's biggest deception is convincing people that hell doesn't exist, so he can steal your soul for eternity. All you have to do is look at all the evil in the world and it is clear there are dark forces at work that are controlling things behind the scenes.

Originally posted by LunaKat

Originally posted by RevelationGeneration

Also, consider that no one else has done what Jesus has done. No one else has risen from the dead, calmed storms, raised others from the dead, and fulfilled numerous prophecies, etc. Though some may have claimed to be able to do one or two of these things, none have done all the things Christ has done as well as claim divinity. Since Christ has done all of these things and since He claims to be God in flesh, then it is logical to believe what He has said... that He is the only way.

I have been wondering a lot if these miracles are symbolic the way a lot of things in the Bible are symbolic. I keep thinking about the fact that as much as is written of Jesus in the Bible... we are never given a physical description of him at all. The way we wouldn't if a story is mythological. Some would say a physical description isn't important. And I agree..but... when we write about people we always describe them. That is a lot of books in the Bible with no physical description and he came to the world as a man as well as the Son of God. Shouldn't there be one? Its something that bugs me and makes me wonder why?

There are descriptions of Jesus in the prophetic (private revelation), part of God's revelation. "Bible Alone" is heresy.

Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
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3. So do you think Adam and Eve were pagan? Paganistic beliefs were made by man in opposition. Nothing predates YHWH. Jesus was also around before creation.

Opposition to what? According to *Christianity* nothing pre-dates but you must realize that is a narrow view. Your faith came out of the Middle East. The Middle East is not the whole world. Other parts of the world had their own creation stories. And many around a lot longer than yours. In fact Christianity is pretty much an upstart religion only being around a couple thousand years. Compare that to Hinduism.

Have hope, be joyful even in these times. Offer your "sufferings" small and large
to Jesus, you will meet one day, the souls you helped to save with this offering.

www.thewarningsecondcoming.com...

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Message to Maria/Divine Mercy

My mercy covers all races, colours, religions

Friday, December 2nd, 2011 @ 10:35 pm

My dear daughter keep strong and think of the good news in that My Mercy will bring most of My cherished children back into the bosom of My Sacred Heart.

Those poor unfortunate souls who have pledged their lives to wickedness need your suffering so that they can be saved. While this is extremely difficult to understand and from a human point of view very hard to take in you must trust Me. Your own suffering and that of My devoted followers goes towards the salvation of souls. None of it is wasted. This sacrifice is a gift to Me. Remember suffering also eases My burden.

Weary from my own suffering My daughter I look forward to embracing My children finally as one with My Eternal Father.

Think of it like this. When any loved member of a family emigrates and returns home after many years how much excitement there is. How much rejoicing. Think of the longing a parent has for a son or daughter they have not seen for many years and how much the reunion means.

I love all of you children with an abiding passion. I am looking forward to our reunion when I can embrace each one of you tightly in My arms and hold you close to My heart. My family is ready to reunite at last for the first time since Paradise was created for Adam and Eve.

I pour out My love and mercy so that it covers all My children in every corner of the world covering all races, all colours, all religions and all sinners.

Await this great moment in time. Finally the wretched hatred, suffering, unease, mistrust, greed, violence and other evil will disappear for good. Imagine what this will be like children. A new wonderful era of love and peace in the world.

Let no one miss this life of eternal happiness. Would you wish for any of your brothers or sisters not to be excluded. For if they weren’t they would suffer eternal darkness in the fires of Hell for eternity. Remember that children. Eternity. There can be no going back after then.

Pray that all souls can inherit this Paradise. Pray for those souls you are personally concerned for. Pray for all souls.

Your Jesus
Saviour & Redeemer of all Mankind