Hitler Was a Socialist!!!

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


Well he was a member of the national socialists party of Germany, sounds like a leftie, socialist to me.

reply to post by thehoneycomb


Wrong my good man. Hitler was anti-marxist.

After World War I, Hitler remained in the army and returned to Munich.[66] In July 1919 he was appointed Verbindungsmann (intelligence agent) of an Aufklärungskommando (reconnaissance commando) of the Reichswehr, both to influence other soldiers and to infiltrate the German Workers' Party (DAP). While he studied the activities of the DAP, Hitler became impressed with founder Anton Drexler's antisemitic, nationalist, anti-capitalist, and anti-Marxist ideas

en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by thehoneycomb


Is this thread just to bait?
That is frowned upon on ATS, you know...

reply to post by Chamberf=6


Yeah.. this is the second trollish thread he's posted in the last day or so. His threads share a few themes, defense of far right, and blatantly incorrect statements that he will defend til the end even in the face of evidence/proof to the contrary of his stated beliefs.. so yeah troll thread.

reply to post by Chamberf=6


No, I started it because it started in another thread, but it was off topic but a good debate so I started this thread. Look forward to hearing your thoughts.

reply to post by thehoneycomb


Doesn't matter what it sounds like to you, he was far right. Just because you don't want it to be doesn't make it so.

I don't think you understand socialism.. it can be far left and far right.
He was far right.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


OK, show me some evidence then please.

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by GogoVicMorrow

 

OK, show me some evidence then please.

Your thread, I already showed you that he was anti-marxist. Are you trying to say he is just a socialist or that he is far left? You have to understand socialism before you can use it as an argument against something or else you just end up looking foolish.

So are you trying to prove that Hitler was far left? Because if that is the case I assure you you are wrong. If you are trying to show that he is just a socialist then it gets murky because he very well may have been, but was a type of socialist, not a marxist/communist/liberal. Hitler was undeniably far right. That is just the way it is. Regardless of whether or not he was a type of socialist.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by thehoneycomb

 

Whether he was a socialist is up for debate. He more closely resembles a neoconservative and he was a fascist.
What is for certain is that he was NOT the type of socialist that the right leaning people and organizations like FOX want to attribute to him. Fascism is against several types of socialism (liberal socialism and communism). So what is for certain is that Hitler was in fact far right.

You may want to google the definition of Neoconservative, you may be in for a surprise.

Also, Marxism and Socialism are exclusive terms. You can be a socialist and still be anti-marxist.

Originally posted by thehoneycomb

His teachings could be attributed to any political system.
Give unto Caesar what is due unto Caesar.
Oh and he healed the sick, last time I checked that was not free government run healthcare, but I dunno, maybe I'm wrong. I beg of you to find anything that is supportive of your outrageous claim.

edit on 30-11-2011 by thehoneycomb because: (no reason given)

Not quite true. He was clearly in support of giving away riches to help out those in need. He was against getting too rich. And generosity was important to him. It would be hard to interpret him as having anything but a "spread the wealth, you only what you need" attitude.

As I already explained. Instead, you call it an outrageous claim. I said the scriptures could be found with research, just read his teachings.

I know you're not going to do that. However, any claim that the idea is outrageous, when you can't even address what he did say repeatedly, I shall ignore. It's irrelevant to the topic at hand.

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The real point though, is that I provided two links explaining why Ad Hominems are fallacious. Did you read either? Offer any response?

The party was founded out of the current of the far-right racist völkisch German nationalist movement and the violent anti-communist Freikorps paramilitary culture that fought against the uprisings of communist revolutionaries in post-World War I Germany.[6] The party was created by Anton Drexler as a means to draw workers away from communism and into völkisch nationalism.[7] Initially Nazi political strategy focused on anti-big business, anti-bourgeois, and anti-capitalist rhetoric, though such aspects were later downplayed in the 1930s to gain the support from industrial owners for the Nazis, focus was shifted to anti-Semitic and anti-Marxist themes.[8] The party's last leader, Adolf Hitler, was appointed Chancellor of Germany by president Paul von Hindenburg in 1933. Hitler rapidly established a totalitarian regime[9][10][11][12] known as the Third Reich.

Nazi ideology denounced many political and economic ideologies and systems as being associated with parasitical Jewry, such as: capitalism, democracy, the Enlightenment, industrialisation, liberalism, Marxism, parliamentary politics, and trade unionism.[13]

He was far right. It's just the way of the world my friend. Sorry to rain on your liberal hating parade.

reply to post by Drunkenparrot


Did you read what you replied to?
I said "types of socialism." That implies that there are types and also that I am aware the Marxism and Socialism are exclusive terms. I don't need to look up neoconservative, you may need to read the rest of my posts before you make claims.

Why is Hitler slightly right ? The Nazis were socialists, so they weren't fascists either.

Let's start with the second part first. Some respondents confuse Nazism, a political party platform, with fascism, which is a particular structure of government. Fascism legally sanctions the persecution of a particular group within the country - political, ethnic, religious - whatever. So within Nazism there are elements of fascism, as well as militarism, capitalism, socialism etc. To tar all socialists with the national socialist brush is as absurd as citing Bill Gates and Augusto Pinochet in the same breath as examples of free market capitalism.

Economically, Hitler was well to the right of Stalin. Post-war investigations led to a number of revelations about the cosy relationship between German corporations and the Reich. No such scandals subsequently surfaced in Russia, because Stalin had totally squashed the private sector. By contrast, once in power, the Nazis achieved rearmament through deficit spending. One of our respondents has correctly pointed out that they actively discouraged demand increases because they wanted infrastructure investment. Under the Reich, corporations were largely left to govern themselves, with the incentive that if they kept prices under control, they would be rewarded with government contracts. Hardly a socialist economic agenda !

www.politicalcompass.org...

I just finished reading a couple books by Gabriele Amorth, the Vatican's exorcist. He said Hitler was possessed. Not really a surprise considering all the evil things he did.

I can remember watching a video of him making a speech. I could actually see small black shadows spewing out of his mouth at one point while he was screaming his speech.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


Socialism can never be defined as far right or even right, it can be defined moderated left, or in the center (depending on the context that serves as reference) but never at the right...

The common evil here is authoritarianism, it doesn't work no matter your political leaning.

reply to post by Panic2k11


Well.. you are wrong about that.
As evidence by: en.wikipedia.org...
Socialism can be left, middle, or right.

reply to post by thehoneycomb


Nazi stands for national socialist, yes..

So now have the remedial school history lesson out of the way, whats your point?

reply to post by davespanners


His point is that he thinks socialism = left leaning exclusively.
He wasn't aware of the types of socialism.
I have been posting to explain that despite socialist platforms Hitler was far right.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by Drunkenparrot

 

I don't need to look up neoconservative, you may need to read the rest of my posts before you make claims.

Yes you do

The term "neoconservative" was popularized in the United States in 1973 by Michael Harrington, the author of The Other America, which helped to inspire the War on Poverty.

Harrington applied the term "neoconservatism" to the policy writings by Daniel Bell, by Daniel Patrick Moynihan, and by Irving Kristol. In the 1970s, "neoconservative" was used as a pejorative label by Harrington and other American socialists and by new politics liberals, particularly those who had supported George McGovern's immediate-withdrawal candidacy in 1972.

Neoconservatism

How does an offshoot of the democratic party in the 1970's apply to Adolph Hitler and the NSDAP again?