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CNN: "Iranian students storm UK Embassy in Tehran on Tuesday, replace the British flag with an Iran
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it seems the students did a bit of looting inside the embassy too.
you have hundreds of students attacking , breaking windows smashing stuff and even a bit of looting. and what does the student take with him after the protesting and the burning of the images of the american , uk and israel flags, what does he take home??????
this ;
too funny. picture kinda captures the mood of the planet at the moment, a touch insane.
you have hundreds of students attacking , breaking windows smashing stuff and even a bit of looting. and what does the student take with him after the protesting and the burning of the images of the american , uk and israel flags, what does he take home??????
this ;
too funny. picture kinda captures the mood of the planet at the moment, a touch insane.
reply to post by thoughtsfull
I'm just getting a kick out of all those here who are attempting [poorly] to dismiss this as staged propaganda and those who will Deny and by every means possible [whether rational or not] to justify this..
I wonder how long it will be before we see the British Government sponsor mass demonstrations in the Streets [like they do over there on their national burn the flag day] and Scream....
Death to Iran!
Death to Iran!
I'm just getting a kick out of all those here who are attempting [poorly] to dismiss this as staged propaganda and those who will Deny and by every means possible [whether rational or not] to justify this..
I wonder how long it will be before we see the British Government sponsor mass demonstrations in the Streets [like they do over there on their national burn the flag day] and Scream....
Death to Iran!
Death to Iran!
edit on 29-11-2011 by SLAYER69 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Darth_Prime
the way others are portrayed is Propaganda, people are quick to ask for war when the 'Animal Islamic' disapprove of the UK/US etc,
There are pictures and videos of how they're acting.
No need for Propaganda....
we are told that the Middle East are all US/UK haters, does anyone question why? does anyone ponder what commenced said 'Hatred'?
Told?
By whom? I and many here do our own research and ask hard hitting questions. No, I for one don't swallow everything I read or hear. However, I don't knee jerk react and declare it Propaganda when we have Video staring us in the face showing whats obviously really going on either
everyone is quick to point out other nations inhumane acts, yet they put a blinds eye to their own countries
On the contrary...
We see, hear and read all day everyday, day in and day out 24/ here at ATS what the US/West have done wrong. It's in our faces all the time. However, whenever anybody points out the Faults of others [In this case Iran] we are being arrogant and self absorbed imperialists [Towing the Line] Yadda Yadda Blah Blah Blah...
Horse Dung!
reply to post by Freeborn
BBC
For the benefit of those who can't stream;
“What exactly is the Iranian threat? The authoritative answer is....it’s not military....Iran’s military spending is not significant compared to the rest of the region.....a quarter of Saudi Arabia’s. “Iran’s military doctrine is strictly defensive designed to slow an invasion and to force a diplomatic solution to hostilities. Iran has only limited capacity to project force beyond its borders....
....Iran’s nuclear programme, and its willingness to keep open the possibility of developing nuclear weapons, is a central part of its deterrent strategy.” Report to Congress by the Pentagon and US intelligence agencies.
While the brutal cleric regime is undoubtedly a major threat to its own people (it hardly outranks US allies in that regard ) but the threat lies elsewhere. And it’s ominous
“One potential threat is Iran’s deterrent capacity.” Notice that that’s an illegitimate exercise of sovereignty - because it might interfere with US freedom of action in the region. It is of course glaringly obvious why Iran would seek a deterrent capacity, which is ...just take a look at the disposition of the forces in the region....including nuclear forces.
'Seven years ago one of Israel’s leading military historians ,Martin van Creveld , wrote that the world has witnessed how the Unites States attacked Iraq for, as it turned out, no reason at all, had the Iranians not tried to build nuclear weapons they would be crazy. Particularly when they’re under constant threat of attack by the United States of course in violation of the UN Charter (but remember that that doesn’t apply to the United States) Whether they are in fact developing a nuclear capability we don’t really know - but perhaps so.
Well the Iranian threat as described in the documents, the Reports goes beyond the deterrents. “Iran is also seeking to expand its influence in the neighbouring countries” – and thus to destabilize the region" (as it’s called). Notice that when the US invades and occupies Iran’s neighbours – that’s ‘stabilization’. When Iran tries to expand its influence, say commercial relations, with its neighbours that’s destabilization. That is absolutely routine usage in foreign policy commentary. Sometimes it becomes almost comical.’
What effects are the financial restrictions going to have for the Iranian people? Do we know what the repercussions are for them? Do we care?
Are we really going to sit back and let them attack another country and another people for fictitious reasons? ‘Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.’
The West's 21 November sanctions against Iran
• The US named Iran as an area of "primary money laundering concern" to dissuade non-US banks from dealing with Tehran. It also blacklisted 11 entities suspected of aiding Iran's nuclear programme. Expanded sanctions to target companies that aid Iran's oil and petrochemical industries.
• Britain ordered all British financial institutions to stop doing business with their Iranian counterparts, including the central bank.
• Canada said it would immediately ban the export to Iran of all goods used in the petrochemical, oil and gas industries.
BBC
For the benefit of those who can't stream;
“What exactly is the Iranian threat? The authoritative answer is....it’s not military....Iran’s military spending is not significant compared to the rest of the region.....a quarter of Saudi Arabia’s. “Iran’s military doctrine is strictly defensive designed to slow an invasion and to force a diplomatic solution to hostilities. Iran has only limited capacity to project force beyond its borders....
....Iran’s nuclear programme, and its willingness to keep open the possibility of developing nuclear weapons, is a central part of its deterrent strategy.” Report to Congress by the Pentagon and US intelligence agencies.
While the brutal cleric regime is undoubtedly a major threat to its own people (it hardly outranks US allies in that regard ) but the threat lies elsewhere. And it’s ominous
“One potential threat is Iran’s deterrent capacity.” Notice that that’s an illegitimate exercise of sovereignty - because it might interfere with US freedom of action in the region. It is of course glaringly obvious why Iran would seek a deterrent capacity, which is ...just take a look at the disposition of the forces in the region....including nuclear forces.
'Seven years ago one of Israel’s leading military historians ,Martin van Creveld , wrote that the world has witnessed how the Unites States attacked Iraq for, as it turned out, no reason at all, had the Iranians not tried to build nuclear weapons they would be crazy. Particularly when they’re under constant threat of attack by the United States of course in violation of the UN Charter (but remember that that doesn’t apply to the United States) Whether they are in fact developing a nuclear capability we don’t really know - but perhaps so.
Well the Iranian threat as described in the documents, the Reports goes beyond the deterrents. “Iran is also seeking to expand its influence in the neighbouring countries” – and thus to destabilize the region" (as it’s called). Notice that when the US invades and occupies Iran’s neighbours – that’s ‘stabilization’. When Iran tries to expand its influence, say commercial relations, with its neighbours that’s destabilization. That is absolutely routine usage in foreign policy commentary. Sometimes it becomes almost comical.’
What effects are the financial restrictions going to have for the Iranian people? Do we know what the repercussions are for them? Do we care?
Are we really going to sit back and let them attack another country and another people for fictitious reasons? ‘Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.’
edit on 29-11-2011 by christina-66 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by thoughtsfull
I'm just getting a kick out of all those here who are attempting [poorly] to dismiss this as staged propaganda and those who will Deny and by every means possible [whether rational or not] to justify this..
I wonder how long it will be before we see the British Government sponsor mass demonstrations in the Streets [like they do over there on their national burn the flag day] and Scream....
Death to Iran!
Death to Iran!
edit on 29-11-2011 by SLAYER69 because: (no reason given)
I Don't believe this is 'Staged Propaganda',
as i reiterate, the 'Propaganda' i spoke of was the way the Media/Governments depict the Middle East, as 'Animal Islamic' who hate the US/UK because they don't follow Islam or other such 'Reasons'
reply to post by SLAYER69
I know what you mean... sometimes I sit and try not to bite. usually I fail
I'm not sure how times the students have protested the British embassy in Iran but my understanding is that such protests have been quite frequent since the diplomatic relationship turned into a ping pong match in 79..
and I guess the response from Westminster would be "we'll have to get the decorators in again!"
Now there in lies the real conspiracy. *nudge nudge wink wink*.
I am sure there is a building contractor in Iran that has a long term contract with the Embassy to do all the repairs and when they run out of work they orchestrate these types of events..
I know what you mean... sometimes I sit and try not to bite. usually I fail
I'm not sure how times the students have protested the British embassy in Iran but my understanding is that such protests have been quite frequent since the diplomatic relationship turned into a ping pong match in 79..
and I guess the response from Westminster would be "we'll have to get the decorators in again!"
Now there in lies the real conspiracy. *nudge nudge wink wink*.
I am sure there is a building contractor in Iran that has a long term contract with the Embassy to do all the repairs and when they run out of work they orchestrate these types of events..
edit on 29/11/11 by thoughtsfull because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by Darth_Prime
thoughtsfull is that you as well?
No Sir, i am my own entity,
reply to post by thoughtsfull
Hey, The Iranians can protest against anybody they damn well please it's their country but hostage taking is just crap.
If they are attempting to garner support...
Hey, The Iranians can protest against anybody they damn well please it's their country but hostage taking is just crap.
If they are attempting to garner support...
They're Doing it Wrong!
reply to post by Darth_Prime
Such protests outside the British Embassy have been common place since 79 (that is while the Embassy has been open).. and are usually led by the students who are allied to the ruling parties..
Now whether you want to think that this is staged or not is cool since what we think makes little difference to the ongoing ping pong match between Britain and Iran... sanctions or not the ping pong match will continue..
and at times I think the elite on both sides are having far to much fun playing with each other to ever stop.. I mean.. to call Britain the fox is laughable when you look at Cameron..
Such protests outside the British Embassy have been common place since 79 (that is while the Embassy has been open).. and are usually led by the students who are allied to the ruling parties..
Now whether you want to think that this is staged or not is cool since what we think makes little difference to the ongoing ping pong match between Britain and Iran... sanctions or not the ping pong match will continue..
and at times I think the elite on both sides are having far to much fun playing with each other to ever stop.. I mean.. to call Britain the fox is laughable when you look at Cameron..
Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by Darth_Prime
thoughtsfull is that you as well?
Cheek I'm having a couple of drinks and being a little bit more mouthy than normal.. but have only the one account
Hey, The Iranians can protest against anybody they damn well please it's their country but hostage taking is just crap.
Did I imply they couldn't? I was just adding some levity with my own tin foil hat conspiracy theory.
edit on 29/11/11 by thoughtsfull because:
(no reason given)
reply to post by christina-66
So what's your point?
All I see is a lot of waffle and rhetoric about Iranian - US relations.
So has the UK done anything to warrant the destruction of the UK Embassy and the taking of hostages?
Iran should send their own security forces in to rescue the hostages and prosecute the hostage takers.
If they don't, and I mean as soon as feasibly possible, then we should send in our own special forces to do so.
I don't advocate war with Iran, I think they have every right to safe nuclear power, not so sure about nucler weapons.....but they have no right whatsoever to seize British diplomats and hold them as hostage.
Not many things in this world are black and white - this is.
So what's your point?
All I see is a lot of waffle and rhetoric about Iranian - US relations.
So has the UK done anything to warrant the destruction of the UK Embassy and the taking of hostages?
Iran should send their own security forces in to rescue the hostages and prosecute the hostage takers.
If they don't, and I mean as soon as feasibly possible, then we should send in our own special forces to do so.
I don't advocate war with Iran, I think they have every right to safe nuclear power, not so sure about nucler weapons.....but they have no right whatsoever to seize British diplomats and hold them as hostage.
Not many things in this world are black and white - this is.
edit on 29/11/11 by Freeborn because: (no reason given)
reply to post by ignant
My personal favorite is watching the events on tv and then reading Presstvs coverage of it,.
PressTV
Read the rest of the article for the other humerous parts.
My personal favorite is watching the events on tv and then reading Presstvs coverage of it,.
PressTV
On Tuesday, hundreds of Iranian students from different universities entered the compound of the British embassy in Tehran and pulled down Britain's flag. However, police prevented them from entering the embassy itself.
In a statement released later on Tuesday, Iran's Foreign Ministry expressed regret over the unacceptable actions of a few protesters despite the efforts of Iranian security forces to stop them.
According to the statement, relevant officials have been asked to immediately conduct necessary investigations with regards to this issue.
Stressing the Islamic Republic's respect for international law and the immunity of diplomatic buildings, Iran's Foreign Ministry also reiterated the Iranian government's commitment to protect the diplomatic missions.
Police say the situation is under control, and security forces are trying to remove students who have entered the British embassy compound.
Police say they are protecting the embassy building and the documents inside, dispersing the large crowds gathered outside the embassy compound.
Read the rest of the article for the other humerous parts.
reply to post by Freeborn
What bloody hostages?
British Attack in Iran Live - Telegraph
It was a PROTEST......remember them?
Will we break off diplomatic relations with ourselves and send in the SAS next time our sudent protests are jacked by eejits that smash up cars and raid stores?
The hype has been building all year - we can smell a strike coming. My mumbo jumbo was to explain why that is without justification.
What bloody hostages?
18.03 William Hague, the Foreign Secretary, says all embassy staff and their families are safe and accounted for and accuses Iran of a "grave breach" of the Vienna convention, which protects diplomats. He says Iran faces "serious consequences" for allowing the attack to go ahead.
British Attack in Iran Live - Telegraph
It was a PROTEST......remember them?
Will we break off diplomatic relations with ourselves and send in the SAS next time our sudent protests are jacked by eejits that smash up cars and raid stores?
The hype has been building all year - we can smell a strike coming. My mumbo jumbo was to explain why that is without justification.
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29-11-2011 by christina-66 because: (no reason given)
reply to post by christina-66
It was widely reported that up to eight embassy staff had been taken hostage.
If they have been released unharmed then that is great and the whole situation is not as inflamatory as before and negates the need for any military action at all.
Lets hope the Iranian government take the appropriate action against the looters and hostage takers.
Just one question.
When was the last time British protesters or rioters attacked a foreign embassy, looted it, burnt papers etc and tried to take foreign embassy staff hostage?
Likening this to the recent riots is a pretty poor analogy and a bad example of deflection tactics.
It was widely reported that up to eight embassy staff had been taken hostage.
If they have been released unharmed then that is great and the whole situation is not as inflamatory as before and negates the need for any military action at all.
Lets hope the Iranian government take the appropriate action against the looters and hostage takers.
Just one question.
When was the last time British protesters or rioters attacked a foreign embassy, looted it, burnt papers etc and tried to take foreign embassy staff hostage?
Likening this to the recent riots is a pretty poor analogy and a bad example of deflection tactics.
reply to post by christina-66
There is some confusion about embassy staff. The last update I saw a few minutes ago had the UK government asking the Iranian government to send in people to protect the diplomats, who are now trapped.
who knows..
There is some confusion about embassy staff. The last update I saw a few minutes ago had the UK government asking the Iranian government to send in people to protect the diplomats, who are now trapped.
who knows..
Ap says the hostages were detained for two hours then released.
m.yahoo.com...
m.yahoo.com...
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dit on 29-11-2011 by filosophia because: (no reason given)
reply to post by Freeborn
Where was it widely reported? Twitter? Yahoo?
Indeed, I do hope Iran does take the appropriate action against the looters – but give them a minute.
Re British protesters attacking foreign embassies – when was the last time Britain had sanctions like this imposed on it by half the planet - for no valid reason? Sorry about the quality of the analogy – it was a poor comparison. But.....just imagine for one moment that you are an Iranian citizen....
Where was it widely reported? Twitter? Yahoo?
Indeed, I do hope Iran does take the appropriate action against the looters – but give them a minute.
Re British protesters attacking foreign embassies – when was the last time Britain had sanctions like this imposed on it by half the planet - for no valid reason? Sorry about the quality of the analogy – it was a poor comparison. But.....just imagine for one moment that you are an Iranian citizen....
reply to post by Xcathdra
The link I posted saying there were no hostages was our Foreign Secretary on a live feed. The hostages were 'trapped' - trapped is not the same as kidnapped.
There is some confusion about embassy staff. The last update I saw a few minutes ago had the UK government asking the Iranian government to send in people to protect the diplomats, who are now trapped.
who knows..
The link I posted saying there were no hostages was our Foreign Secretary on a live feed. The hostages were 'trapped' - trapped is not the same as kidnapped.
Originally posted by filosophia
Ap says the hostages were detained for two hours then released.
m.yahoo.com...e dit on 29-11-2011 by filosophia because: (no reason given)
Where the hey has everyone got the idea that there was hostages? I was going to post this on a breaking news thread when it happened - I don't understand.
.....ah....now I'm getting it....
The link you posted says;
Six British diplomats sequestered for more than two hours inside a building in Britain's diplomatic compound in the north of the capital were finally able to get through a crowd of hundreds of protesters after intervention from diplomatic police, the Fars news agency reported.
The key word in that sentence is 'sequestered'.
Definition of sequestered;
dj. 1. sequestered - providing privacy or seclusion; "the cloistered academic world of books"; "sat close together in the sequestered pergola"; "sitting under the reclusive calm of a shade tree"; "a secluded romantic spot" cloistered, reclusive, secluded
private - confined to particular persons or groups or providing privacy; "a private place"; "private discussions"; "private lessons"; "a private club"; "a private secretary"; "private property"; "the former President is now a private citizen"; "public figures struggle to maintain a private life"
2. sequestered - kept separate and secluded; "a sequestered jury"
segregated, unintegrated - separated or isolated from others or a main group; "a segregated school system"; "a segregated neighborhood"
Nowhere, but nowhere, in that lot does it say that sequestered means 'kidnapped' or 'hostaged'.
Do you know what has really disappointed me in all this - the haste with which everybody was prepared to jump onto tales of exaggeration.
Do you guys know how much trouble that can cause?
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