Woman Arrested For 'Racist' Rant On Tram

reply to post by NadaCambia

Racism has a technical and precise meaning. Britons are not an ethnic group, therefore the OP isn't racist. At best he's bigoted, but he's not racist

That is old school thinking. You can be racism against a nationality, an area, an ethnic group, a religious group etc...

Racism" and "racial discrimination" are often used to describe discrimination on an ethnic or cultural basis, independent of their somatic (i.e. "racial") differences. According to the United Nations conventions, there is no distinction between the term racial discrimination and ethnicity discrimination

en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by NadaCambia

Originally posted by Domo1
You're Londoner hate is wildly amusing to me.

I don't like Londoners but I'm trying to play devils advocate -- Admittedly, I might not be doing to well.

The thing is though that people in the UK feel the same way about Londoners as Londoners do immigrants. So I'm always mildly amused when I come across Londoners -- and there are far too many -- ranting and raving about migration, because we wish they would piss off back to London and take their crime, welfare checks, illiteracy and alcoholism with them

Listen bud. I'm from the North too. I don't hate Londoners. Stop trying to equate the rest of the UK with your own passive and localised xenophobia. Cheers.

reply to post by blupblup


I must concede again! On further review I was reading with a bit too much haste and ignored your air bunnies " ". You actually have defended me to a certain extent. Sorry. So many concessions today. Perhaps I should get some nap time.

Originally posted by NadaCambia

Originally posted by gimme_some_truth

Originally posted by allintoaccount

She did not say anything worse than you would hear 100 time in your typical mainstream rap song, what's your big problem? The mind boggles it Realy does.

The problem is you can choose to listen to a rap song. This lady was disturbing the peace and verbally assaulting people and even made a physical threat. The people on that train had no choice, got verbally assaulted and even threatened.

See the difference now?

Also a black rapper saying 'n-word' really isn't the same as a white person using the word.

Just as I as a white person can cracker until I'm blue in the face. But if a black person used to the word as a racial slur, that's obviously different.

I'm not sure why racists cannot understand the difference

Originally posted by NadaCambia

Originally posted by gimme_some_truth

Originally posted by allintoaccount

She did not say anything worse than you would hear 100 time in your typical mainstream rap song, what's your big problem? The mind boggles it Realy does.

The problem is you can choose to listen to a rap song. This lady was disturbing the peace and verbally assaulting people and even made a physical threat. The people on that train had no choice, got verbally assaulted and even threatened.

See the difference now?

Also a black rapper saying 'n-word' really isn't the same as a white person using the word.

Just as I as a white person can cracker until I'm blue in the face. But if a black person used to the word as a racial slur, that's obviously different.

I'm not sure why racists cannot understand the difference

Originally posted by purplemer
reply to post by NadaCambia

 

Racism has a technical and precise meaning. Britons are not an ethnic group, therefore the OP isn't racist. At best he's bigoted, but he's not racist

That is old school thinking. You can be racism against a nationality, an area, an ethnic group, a religious group etc...

Racism" and "racial discrimination" are often used to describe discrimination on an ethnic or cultural basis, independent of their somatic (i.e. "racial") differences. According to the United Nations conventions, there is no distinction between the term racial discrimination and ethnicity discrimination

en.wikipedia.org...

No, you cannot. What you're describing is politically correct nonsense, created and pushed by uneducated politicians.

Racism is to discriminate on grounds of race of ethnicity. Xenophobia is to discriminate on national or cultural grounds -- These are facts. Attacking British people is xenophobic, it is NOT racist.

I'm sorry but I can't take anyone serious who thinks racism is discrimination against any group of people. If you think that then you are wrong.

By the definition you're using you could say that homophobia is racism. Or that me saying people in Cornwall sound like pirates is racism. Or even that me saying "people who use Macs are idiots" is racism

Originally posted by allintoaccount
That's my sister, I'm not spinning anything. The feeling in the pit of my stomach came from empathy and sympathy. This woman's needs in my oppinion should come before the millions of recent migrants...
if I was on that tram I would have consoled her and calmed her down, not arrested her or condemned her to hell, unlike many self deluded people may have.

Your actual sister... or your "sister" because she's a human being or your "sister" because she's white?

Sorry what are her needs?

She "needs" parenting classes.

She "needs" drug/alcohol help and counselling

She "needs" to perhaps go and live with an immigrant family and see exactly what it's like to come to a new country and have to put up with people like her

She "needs" to seriously sort her attitude out and start putting her child's needs before her own.

And lastly...

She "needs" to understand that Britain is a Multicultural and diverse place now.... that's just the way of the world... "her" Britain never was... it's an idea in the mind of the ignorant and the racist that somehow a country should only exist for the indigenous people that people should not migrate and move around.

Sorry... "her Britain" never was and never will be.

And that makes me happy.

reply to post by NadaCambia


Wait... Are you saying that my hate of midgets and women isn't racist? No way!

Originally posted by Domo1
reply to post by blupblup

 

I must concede again! On further review I was reading with a bit too much haste and ignored your air bunnies " ". You actually have defended me to a certain extent. Sorry. So many concessions today. Perhaps I should get some nap time.

No worries my friend, it gets a little heated and everyone is on the defensive, it's all good... no offence taken.

reply to post by blupblup


The only thing I am feeling defensive about is that you may think I am on the defensive, in which case I suppose you were right and I must concede yet another point.

Originally posted by mr-lizard

Originally posted by NadaCambia

Originally posted by Domo1
You're Londoner hate is wildly amusing to me.

I don't like Londoners but I'm trying to play devils advocate -- Admittedly, I might not be doing to well.

The thing is though that people in the UK feel the same way about Londoners as Londoners do immigrants. So I'm always mildly amused when I come across Londoners -- and there are far too many -- ranting and raving about migration, because we wish they would piss off back to London and take their crime, welfare checks, illiteracy and alcoholism with them

Listen bud. I'm from the North too. I don't hate Londoners. Stop trying to equate the rest of the UK with your own passive and localised xenophobia. Cheers.

I don't hate Londoners either, I just don't like them coming here in their droves, eroding local native culture and bringing crime and social deprivation to my communities.

I'm concerned from a Socioeconomical stand point.

However, I must defend myself by informing you that most people do dislike Londoners. All studies show that Londoners are overwhelmingly viewed as the rudest people in Britain. So please do not imply I'm lying again.

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Originally posted by mr-lizard

Originally posted by NadaCambia

Originally posted by Domo1
You're Londoner hate is wildly amusing to me.

I don't like Londoners but I'm trying to play devils advocate -- Admittedly, I might not be doing to well.

The thing is though that people in the UK feel the same way about Londoners as Londoners do immigrants. So I'm always mildly amused when I come across Londoners -- and there are far too many -- ranting and raving about migration, because we wish they would piss off back to London and take their crime, welfare checks, illiteracy and alcoholism with them

Listen bud. I'm from the North too. I don't hate Londoners. Stop trying to equate the rest of the UK with your own passive and localised xenophobia. Cheers.

I have been to london once and met loads of cockneys and they have all been great people, my kind of people.

reply to post by NadaCambia

Or that me saying people in Cornwall sound like pirates is racism.

I don't really know why but that has me laughing to the point of tears. Is that a real thing?

reply to post by Sicul2012


lolwat? You sir, are a midget! Oh wait I mean racist.

I'd love to know where the people attacking/defending her live, geographically.

Is there a correlation to anti/pro in relation to migrant population I wonder?

reply to post by NadaCambia

Must admit Iam a northerner (Manchester) who ran a pub in EC1 in whitechapel, and after 3 years my patience with Londoner's wore very thin.
Oh and they can't swear properly while us Northerners swear with a guttural menace that scare the Londoner's no end

Originally posted by Domo1
reply to post by NadaCambia

 

Or that me saying people in Cornwall sound like pirates is racism.

I don't really know why but that has me laughing to the point of tears. Is that a real thing?

Yes, Cornwall has a history linked to Pirates. I believe their Rugby team are called the "Cornwall Pirates", even.

Originally posted by allintoaccount

Originally posted by mr-lizard

Originally posted by NadaCambia

Originally posted by Domo1
You're Londoner hate is wildly amusing to me.

I don't like Londoners but I'm trying to play devils advocate -- Admittedly, I might not be doing to well.

The thing is though that people in the UK feel the same way about Londoners as Londoners do immigrants. So I'm always mildly amused when I come across Londoners -- and there are far too many -- ranting and raving about migration, because we wish they would piss off back to London and take their crime, welfare checks, illiteracy and alcoholism with them

Listen bud. I'm from the North too. I don't hate Londoners. Stop trying to equate the rest of the UK with your own passive and localised xenophobia. Cheers.

I have been to london once and met loads of cockneys and they have all been great people, my kind of people.

A great endorsement of cockneys here from an ATS member that isn't in the least bit racist

Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by NadaCambia

 

Must admit Iam a northerner (Manchester) who ran a pub in EC1 in whitechapel, and after 3 years my patience with Londoner's wore very thin.
Oh and they can't swear properly while us Northerners swear with a guttural menace that scare the Londoner's no end

And as you ran a pub I'm sure you can confirm to all the non-Brits that Londoners do in fact drink their lager with a bit of rasberry or lime... Cept for the alcoholics who drink strong brew and cider