The Bible has been changed ( rewritten )

reply to post by randyvs

I've looked into this and it seems that your just repeating something Dan Brown says and that's a total fail IMO.
In My Opinion.

I am glad you replied to my post even as brief as it was. I consider "The Da Vinci Code" to be science fiction and somewhat entertaining. I have not read anything by Dan Brown nor do I care to nor am I "repeating" anything that Dan Brown said. I came to this conclusion on my own through my own research. The evidence is right there in the links I provided, Strong's Concordance. If you feel that this is wrong then lets discuss the source of the links and the context therein and forget about Dan Brown.

reply to post by superman2012


"2. Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. See synonyms at belief, trust."

The person who gave this definition was and is operating out of the carnal mind set. the bible say that the carnal mind can not know bleive accept the thing of the spirit. So number two does not compare to the spiritual mind of the beliver.

Originally posted by guitarplayer
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You see some people have more faith in what has truly not been seen, why do they have faith in a mirror? Well because they believe it does not lie but it can, have you ever been to a carnival and seen the funny mirrors? Well those mirrors distort the truth just like some people try to distort the word of God. As far as the Mark 16 thing, well some don’t have it and some do, some say it is a lost page of a ms but some say it was not because it is missing on scrolls and some say it was added to harmonize the gospels… So is it a distortion a funny mirror or does it reflect the truth of Gods word?

The Mark 16:9- If the added scripture did not line up with God's word then it would be one of the funny mirrors, lets say it read Jesus ran off with Mary and moved to the south of France and lived out His life had many children ect ect. That would not be in harmony with the rest of scripture NT and OT. But it does harmonize wehat is written in the other Gospels.So I would have to say that the added verses are God inspired.

reply to post by randyvs


I would like to add, as late as it is to the topic, that Jesus Himself said that the content of what He considered the Torah (referred to traditionally as "the Law and the Prophets" or, more simply, "the Law") would not change.

It is interesting to note that the Septuagint version of the Torah, which pre-dated the Dead Sea Scrolls, agrees strongly with the content of the Dead Sea Scrolls and also the pre-Masoret Torah.

From Matthew 5:17-18
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished" (New International Version ©1984).

I know this will not be a significant fact to all, but it is a significant fact for believers.

Originally posted by goodday123
Is ATS a forum of intelligent and respectful debates or a site where whoever comes up with the wittiest reply (aka insult) wins?


My 2 cents: I haven't seen anyone make the case either way. And if the Bible was altered does that change who God is? Does it change the message of what He was trying to get across?

I'm sure we can assume that the disciples of Christ made sure that their accounts of Christ's life were recognizes as the true accounts...and since they died for their belief in Christ, I think we can safely assume they would have gone to great lengths to ensure their writings...

I'm sure that is quote obvious
But, I just proved to you the Bible has changed - the Sixth Commandment went from Thou Shalt Not Kill to Thou Shalt Not Murder???????????????????????????????????????????????????
Now back to the mudslinging!

Originally posted by Hydroman
Nah, just trying to understand what you were saying. Still don't know, but now I've lost interest and don't really care.

Of course you don't. That's what happens when one's false beliefs and errors have been exposed. They conveniently pretend that they never understood the debate that they were participating in to begin with, and of course they now all of a sudden no longer care. In other words, You got owned bro. No hard feelings though.


~SheopleNation

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"Yet you can take the Gallic Wars seriously . . .interesting "


Ok now that one you will have to explain.

Anyone know why it took over FIFTY YEARS to translate the Dead Sea Scrolls???...lol

reply to post by chr0naut


That edition is how many years from when it was originally written? Why wouldn't a king have wrote just that rule to make sheeple believe?

If I write down my hand is purple and line it up with something I said before does it make it truth?

I just can't possibly see how you find concrete evidence or consent or pleasure in empty words and letters.
It just makes me believe that 'the' book makes you lose touch with reality.

ANY MAN that claims to speak for GOD is a liar.

reply to post by metaldemon2000


Except the "apocryphal texts" such as the Gospel of Thomas.

IMO, The Gospel of Thomas has a lot of truth within it, and the copies that the early chuch fathers had were probably destroyed because it gives control and power to each person, instead of making God only attainable through "x" church, and only if you follow the mandates of "x" church or cult.

The Gospel According to Thomas, commonly shortened to the Gospel of Thomas, is a well preserved early Christian, non-canonical sayings-gospel discovered near Nag Hammadi, Egypt, in December 1945, in one of a group of books known as the Nag Hammadi library. The Gospel of Thomas was found among a collection of fifty-two writings that included, in addition to an excerpt from Plato's Republic, gospels claiming to have been written by Jesus' disciple Philip. Scholars have speculated that the works were buried in response to a letter from Bishop Athanasius who for the first time declared a strict canon of Christian scripture.(1)

en.wikipedia.org...

Here is part of the first section of the Gospel of Thomas.

These are the secret sayings which the living Jesus spoke and which Didymos Judas Thomas wrote down.

(1) And he said, "Whoever finds the interpretation of these sayings will not experience death."

(2) Jesus said, "Let him who seeks continue seeking until he finds. When he finds, he will become troubled. When he becomes troubled, he will be astonished, and he will rule over the All."

(3) Jesus said, "If those who lead you say to you, 'See, the kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is inside of you, and it is outside of you. When you come to know yourselves, then you will become known, and you will realize that it is you who are the sons of the living father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."
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www.gnosis.org...

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How would you interpret the last quote?

2nd

Originally posted by Boomer1941
Anyone know why it took over FIFTY YEARS to translate the Dead Sea Scrolls???...lol

One of the scholars who translated the Dead Sea Scrolls, and who knew many secrets of the Vatican also left us a warning.

It is obvious that there is much that those in power don't want the regular people to know, because much of that knowledge would cause worldwide panic.

www.cyberspaceorbit.com...

www.cyberspaceorbit.com...

Work and ordination

Father Martin took part in the research of the Dead Sea Scrolls, and published twenty four articles on Semitic paleography in various journals.[9][10] He did archeological research and worked extensively on the Byblos syllabary in Byblos,[11] in Tyre,[12] both in Lebanon, and in the Sinai Peninsula. Martin assisted in his first exorcism while staying in Egypt for archeological research. It was upon a Muslim.[4] He published a work in two volumes, The Scribal Character of the Dead Sea Scrolls, in 1958.[13]
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en.wikipedia.org...

Father Malachi Martin was also part of the inner circle of the Vatican and knew secrets that only a few can say they know.

He was actually one of the few people who knew, since he is dead, the Third secret of fatima among other secrets.

reply to post by novuslibertas


That the Kingdom of Heaven is inside you, it is part of everyone, and it is everything you see around you, and even that which your brain can't interpret or you can't see.

That everyone has a spark, a part, of what is called God, or Elohim, The Father and will exist forever in one form or another.

reply to post by randyvs
The Christian Holy Bible is a collection of 66 different books, written by roughly 40 different authors, over approximately 1900 years. The whole Bible, from the very first sentence to the very last, is about Jesus Christ.
The old testament is prophetic in the coming of Jesus, and the new testament is the fulfilling of those prophecies by Jesus HIMself. The new testament is CONCEALED in the old, and the old testament is REVEALED in the new. It is all ONE BOOK in plot, theme, and context. That fact alone should indicate that the book is something beyond ordinary.

There is copious amounts of evidence to support / proove / confirm that the Bible is inspired by the Holy Spirit and written THROUGH the hands of men ( who were chosen by GOD HIMself to do so). Each author has written in his own style, from his own perspective and experience, yet the elemental character, plot and theme, remains constant THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE BIBLE - Jesus IS GOD, who comes to earth as a man, to live, die and rise again, so that by faith, we can be re-united with our creator.

And that is where this debate hangs - FAITH.

Another way to say faith is TRUST. GOD asks us to have faith (trust) in HIM. To love someone fully, you have to have 100% faith (trust) in them. If you don't completely trust a person then you cannot fully love them. That is all that GOD asks of us - complete 100% trust.

The Bible doesn't attempt to tell mankind everything that there is to know about the universe. There is plenty of room for us to discover things on our own. That is how GOD designed us - to be thinkers and inquisitive. The Bible doesn't explain everything that we WANT to know about anything. However, through HIS Word, GOD teaches us the IMPORTANT THINGS THAT WE NEED TO KNOW to get us STARTED in a relationship with Jesus. After that, it is by faith that we are saved, and changed, and made new.

And that is where this debate hangs - FAITH.

I believe that that is why there is also lots of counter-evidence against scripture. There is much documented evidence DISCOUNTING the authenticity of the scriptures.
I think that GOD allows this because it strengthens the faith of HIS people.

Firstly, it allows people to discover the truths in GODs WORD for themselves. Rather than being TOLD what to do, people respond better if they CHOOSE what to do. GOD doesn't want puppets. HE wants willing, passionate people who CHOOSE to love HIM. Secondly, if the Bible gave ALL the answers, where would be the challenges in life ? Where would be the excitement of new discoveries ? Where would there be any fun in being surprised or amazed.? Thirdly, as you read the Bible (having faith that it is GODs WORD) it brings you to a closer, more intimate relationship with Jesus Christ. Jesus shows HIMself, His character, HIS nature, HIS desire, HIS grace and mercy through the scriptures. Our own sin is exposed exponentially as we grow closer to Christ, and we appreciate more the amazing grace that Jesus offers us. Fourthly, who can know the mind of GOD ? How can people be so utterly pious, to think that we have a right to know all that GOD knows? We are not even a pinhead in wisdom in comparison to the knowledge of the creator of the universe.

Amongst all the controversy, attack, innuendo, mockery, fraud, falsifying, editing etc. the fundamental concept and character of the Holy Bible has remained unchanged and unaffected for over 3500years (that has been recorded). It is still the planets most popular book - containing the most significant main character in the history of all mankind. The Bible has changed more lives, saved more people, and effected more hearts than any piece of literature ever written. It has stood the test of time. There can only be one LOGICAL, PRACTICAL, and IDEOLOGICAL explanation for its survival - IT IS TRUTH.

Truth doesn't change. Truth cannot change. It can't even bend. It stands straight, tall and firm. It endures all criticism, skepticism, and antagonism. It does not fall. It is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.

Jesus Christ says of HIMself - "I am the way, the truth and the life."
Jesus is the truth. HIS word is the truth. Scripture is HIS word. Scripture is truth.

Be Blessed everyone.

reply to post by chr0naut

I know this will not be a significant fact to all, but it is a significant fact for believers.

Pretty much says it all in a nut shell. I'm comfortable with what I believe.

reply to post by randyvs


But the lack to explain it to others makes me ponder why you made this thread in the first place.

Originally posted by novuslibertas
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But the lack to explain it to others makes me ponder why you made this thread in the first place.

And I ponder, why it needs to be explained to others in the first place?.

Originally posted by SheopleNation
Of course you don't. That's what happens when one's false beliefs and errors have been exposed. They conveniently pretend that they never understood the debate that they were participating in to begin with, and of course they now all of a sudden no longer care. In other words, You got owned bro. No hard feelings though.

Lol, that's cool. I don't mind getting owned. I'm not sure where I got owned, but I don't mind it. The only thing I was asking is if you thought I was working for someone or something. You made a strange statement that made me think that. That's all.

EDIT: Here's the quote I was talking about:

Originally posted by SheopleNation
Tell your masters that you did a great job because I wasted my time on your assumptions which yes my friend, turned out to be a #ing waste of time. ~SheopleNation

Anyways, if you've got problems with things I've said, I don't mind talking about it.

Originally posted by Devino
It is quite fair in my opinion to accept that the meaning is as it is translated and defined by Strong's concordence, i.e. gods/godesses. If you feel that this is not the case then the onus would be on you to prove otherwise.

I was only offering it as a possibility since I ran across that explanation several years ago when I was doing research on the use of "elohim". I don't know if the author meant for it to represent gods or one supreme god.