The Bible has been changed ( rewritten )

reply to post by Hydroman


Ok, we can start over then. Maybe I misunderstood your tone, which we both probably understand happens on the internet frequently. Proof? That is impossible to prove because of the history of the book, or almost 30 books for that matter, Or do you know?

The distortion of sciptures have happened both within Judaism and Christianity, as well as Islam which is more recent because it's a much younger religion that is only centuries old where the former two are thousands of years old. How can anyone expect to navigate through centuries of Church dominated drivel and even expect to come to some kid of reliable numbers or documentation of sinister events executed by the Church?

With that being said, what you're asking from us me cannot be provided with any foundation whatsoever. Of Course, I already knew that and the fact that you did not, or pretended that you did not, is something to consider for the rest of us that already know that The so-called Book is nothing more than weaker minded Men from ages ago attempting to keep their chains around the even weaker men of their time. It's all about control, and it always has been.

Tell me something though, Do you got anything whatsoever that backs up what you're demading from us all here? I hope so my friend. I hope you got a little more than questioning those of us who supposedly believe what you supposedly do, which I don't buy for a minute, nor did I ever believe it before. Tell your masters that you did a great job because I wasted my time on your assumptions which yes my friend, turned out to be a #ing waste of time. ~SheopleNation

Originally posted by SheopleNation
Proof? That is impossible to prove because of the history of the book, or almost 30 books for that matter, Or do you know?

Actually 66 books if you're looking at a Protestant Bible. Around 78 books, IIRC, for the Catholic Bible, and I believe over 80 books for the Ethiopian Bible.

Originally posted by SheopleNation
The distortion of sciptures have happened both within Judaism and Christianity, as well as Islam which is more recent because it's a much younger religion that is only centuries old where the former two are thousands of years old. How can anyone expect to navigate through centuries of Church dominated drivel and even expect to come to some kid of reliable numbers or documentation of sinister events executed by the Church?

Again, you mentioned distortion of scriptures, but didn't give one example. I can give an example if you'd like. Some of the oldest N.T. manuscripts do not include Mark 16: 9-20, while the newer ones do.

Originally posted by SheopleNation
With that being said, what you're asking from us me cannot be provided with any foundation whatsoever.

Yet, some people did provide examples.... Have you read the whole thread?

Originally posted by SheopleNation
It's all about control, and it always has been.

That's a possibility.

Originally posted by SheopleNation
Tell me something though, Do you got anything whatsoever that backs up what you're demading from us all here? I hope so my friend. I hope you got a little more than questioning those of us who supposedly believe what you supposedly do, which I don't buy for a minute, nor did I ever believe it before. Tell your masters that you did a great job because I wasted my time on your assumptions which yes my friend, turned out to be a #ing waste of time. ~SheopleNation

I'm confused about this. Not sure what you're asking me.

Man this is rich you say it's been changed and I am suppose to prove it has not. That’s like me saying you beat your wife and children so prove you don't. Well if you look at the Dead Sea scrolls you will find a copy of Isaiah that is pretty much the same of what we have today in the modern bible. So you prove to me that it's been changed and while you’re at it, others have said it contradicts itself, so prove that too while you’re at it.

Originally posted by guitarplayer
Man this is rich you say it's been changed and I am suppose to prove it has not. That’s like me saying you beat your wife and children so prove you don't. Well if you look at the Dead Sea scrolls you will find a copy of Isaiah that is pretty much the same of what we have today in the modern bible. So you prove to me that it's been changed and while you’re at it, others have said it contradicts itself, so prove that too while you’re at it.

If you can find an original copy of Isaiah, then we could get somewhere.

reply to post by Hydroman


The one from the dead sea scrolls is pretty much the same as todays verion. You see the Israelites knew that there is a curse on the bible if you change it just like in revelations, so they respected what the God inspired writters wrote down. No point out some contridictions for me.

reply to post by Hydroman


I had to eat Hydro, sorry bro.

Anyway, I just don't believe anything that you have to say at this point in regards to your beliefs that you're a so-called Atheist.

The centuries of liars that have continued to manipulate, brainwash and mislead many weak minded people will continue their agenda. ~SheopleNation

reply to post by guitarplayer

pretty much the same as todays verion.

You see what you just did right? Right!? You admitted it has been changed. That about sums it up for me, most people haven't taken the time to read the whole thread and it is starting to circle back on itself. Believers will never have proof and disbelievers will never have proof either. I am talking concrete 100% proof.

Originally posted by guitarplayer
The one from the dead sea scrolls is pretty much the same as todays verion. You see the Israelites knew that there is a curse on the bible if you change it just like in revelations, so they respected what the God inspired writters wrote down. No point out some contridictions for me.

I'm not talking about contradictions here. I'm talking about changes to scripture, which there have been as I pointed out previously in Mark 16. So, god allows changes to be made and doesn't do anything about it, if he exists.

Originally posted by SheopleNation
Anyway, I just don't believe anything that you have to say at this point in regards to your beliefs that you're a so-called Atheist.

The centuries of liars that have continued to manipulate, brainwash and mislead many weak minded people will continue their agenda. ~SheopleNation

That's fair. I'm not sure if you're saying I'm working for some kind of group or something though. If so, that's funny, but whatever.

reply to post by superman2012


Please give the information since I have not read all 20 some pages if you please and I will see what your talking about.

Originally posted by superman2012
reply to post by guitarplayer

 

pretty much the same as todays verion.

You see what you just did right? Right!? You admitted it has been changed. That about sums it up for me, most people haven't taken the time to read the whole thread and it is starting to circle back on itself. Believers will never have proof and disbelievers will never have proof either. I am talking concrete 100% proof.

I am talking concrete 100% proof. Let me ask you this have you wever seen the back of your head?

Originally posted by Hydroman

Originally posted by SheopleNation
Proof? That is impossible to prove because of the history of the book, or almost 30 books for that matter, Or do you know?

Actually 66 books if you're looking at a Protestant Bible. Around 78 books, IIRC, for the Catholic Bible, and I believe over 80 books for the Ethiopian Bible.

Originally posted by SheopleNation
The distortion of sciptures have happened both within Judaism and Christianity, as well as Islam which is more recent because it's a much younger religion that is only centuries old where the former two are thousands of years old. How can anyone expect to navigate through centuries of Church dominated drivel and even expect to come to some kid of reliable numbers or documentation of sinister events executed by the Church?

Again, you mentioned distortion of scriptures, but didn't give one example. I can give an example if you'd like. Some of the oldest N.T. manuscripts do not include Mark 16: 9-20, while the newer ones do.

Originally posted by SheopleNation
With that being said, what you're asking from us me cannot be provided with any foundation whatsoever.

Yet, some people did provide examples.... Have you read the whole thread?

Originally posted by SheopleNation
It's all about control, and it always has been.

That's a possibility.

Originally posted by SheopleNation
Tell me something though, Do you got anything whatsoever that backs up what you're demading from us all here? I hope so my friend. I hope you got a little more than questioning those of us who supposedly believe what you supposedly do, which I don't buy for a minute, nor did I ever believe it before. Tell your masters that you did a great job because I wasted my time on your assumptions which yes my friend, turned out to be a #ing waste of time. ~SheopleNation

I'm confused about this. Not sure what you're asking me.

edit on 28-11-2011 by Hydroman because: (no reason given)

Mark 16 which tranlslation are you looking at in the Greek?

Originally posted by guitarplayer
I am talking concrete 100% proof. Let me ask you this have you wever seen the back of your head?

I've seen the back of my head many times. Not sure where you are going with that...

if people would just read what the other ancient cultures wrote about in the same time frames, they'd notice the info is the same, just presented from a different cultural view point and in different lingo. sure there are some interesting ways in which the info evolved over time, but it's all generally the same. for example, at the same time that yeshua (jesus) was teaching about compassion and love for others, so were others in other places. the societies of the world seem to evolve and change in near lock step. the only major differences are related to what they do with the information once they have it.

for example, the ancient egyptians were very cerebral. they focused very much on the spiritual side of reality. they were big on things like balance in nature and relationships as they apply to every day life and eternity.

the hebrews were big on exactness in language, knowledge and metaphor. their culture was dedicated to preciseness in applications of various kinds, including the application of the law.

An egyptian would take the same law and push it into the future where its sensibilities didn't interfer with things like human interactions and the smooth operation of a diverse egyptian civilization. They distanced themselves from it just enough so that it became a spiritual chore in the process of gaining admittance to a pleasant eternity once you were already there, whereas the hebrews would apply it to right here, right now, every waking moment. Two entirely different approaches to the same data.

reply to post by guitarplayer

Here is some info.
www.bible-researcher.com...

reply to post by guitarplayer

Mark 16 which tranlslation are you looking at in the Greek?

He's talking bout the S and V manuscripts. The Gnostics don't have the last 12 verses of Mark in their manuscripts. There are many other verses expurgated from their manuscripts as well, not just the last 12 verses of Mark.

reply to post by Hydroman


I would say you have not seen the back of your head but that you have seen a reflexiion in a reflexion. But you have never seen the back of you head just the same. You have placed your faith ibn a miror.

Originally posted by guitarplayer
I would say you have not seen the back of your head but that you have seen a reflexiion in a reflexion. But you have never seen the back of you head just the same. You have placed your faith ibn a miror.

No, I've seen the back of my head in pictures and videos.

...and if those don't count, I suppose it's safe to say that you've never seen your own face, but have placed your faith in mirrors, pictures, and video that you have one.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
He's talking bout the S and V manuscripts. The Gnostics don't have the last 12 verses of Mark in their manuscripts. There are many other verses expurgated from their manuscripts as well, not just the last 12 verses of Mark.

Not sure what you're talking about, but here's what Bruce Metzger says in the link I provided.

"The last twelve verses of the commonly received text of Mark are absent from the two oldest Greek manuscripts (א and B), from the Old Latin codex Bobiensis (it k), the Sinaitic Syriac manuscript, about one hundred Armenian manuscripts, and the two oldest Georgian manuscripts (written A.D. 897 and A.D. 913). Clement of Alexandria and Origen show no knowledge of the existence of these verses; furthermore Eusebius and Jerome attest that the passage was absent from almost all Greek copies of Mark known to them. The original form of the Eusebian sections (drawn up by Ammonius) makes no provision for numbering sections of the text after 16:8. Not a few manuscripts which contain the passage have scribal notes stating that older Greek copies lack it, and in other witnesses the passage is marked with asterisks or obeli, the conventional signs used by copyists to indicate a spurious addition to a document."

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Yes, in a mirror.