Senate To Vote On A Bill Allowing Military To Arrest & Hold Citizens Indefinitely

Originally posted by LiveToSpendIt

Originally posted by ofhumandescent
reply to post by FarmerGeneral

 

Very insightful post. I'm gearing up to preparing myself to yet again read Mein Kampt (Haven't read it in decades) but your comment again was insightful and intelligent.

Got bad news.

Liturgical historians' majority opinion is that Hitler didn't personally write, compose or even dictate Mein Kamph.

Which liturgical historians would those be??

As far as I can see the only suggestion that someone else wrote it is an uncorroborated suggestion by Jesuit priest, Fr. Alberto Rivera, that a fellow Jesuit named Fr. Staempfle wrote it. This story is found around all the usual conspiracy sites, often in exactly the same format.

However it seems that Rivera never was a Jesuit priest at all - his claims include the Catholic church having created Islam & Naziism, caused both world wars, and Jesuits being behind the 13th century inquisition despite not having been founded until the mid 1500's.

Is this what you consider the "majority opinion" that Hitler wasnt' actually involved in hte creation of MK, or is it something else??

Originally posted by iforget
reply to post by sigung86

 

"until the end of hostilities" is open and does not mean not at all

You are right. I'm afraid I misread, and therefore, apologize. In that case, I presume to get ready for the bad crap to begin hitting the fan. It's not like the government to waste time setting up something that they aren't preparing to use "pretty danged soon".

I'm 63 tears old brother and used to a certain level of living that appears to be going away. The loss of liberty, civility, and all our freedom is breaking my heart and making me fear for the very worst.

Originally posted by CosmicCitizen
The stage is being set for a defacto declaration of war on our natural and civil rights (declaration of war on the American people in s-l-o-w motion). The result will be an official Control Grid and Martial Law (for our own good, of course.

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edit on 27-11-2011 by CosmicCitizen because: (no reason given)

By declairing America a battlefield with US troops on the streets to arrest people with out trail its a cleverly worded declaration of long term martial law. It will also if the wording of it is correct remove the restriction of the cia about opperating on american soil this is just one interpritation but seems like a good potential one

Just exactly WHERE, in S.1867, does it state that all of what you have said is in the bill?????

Look up the bill.....S.1867. Try reading the bill before commenting on something you "heard about." Read the bill

Where does it say the Military is going to come and pick people up and hold them, violating their Constitutional Rights???? Where??? (Quit spreading LIES).

Originally posted by claireaudient
There is very little cause to be proud to be an American any more. We're Amerikan's. I'm wondering exactly when did we take this turn?

It started in the 50s, and gained momentum in the 60s and 70s, then went over the top in the 80s.
A lot of the immigrants during those years, found that a lot of American culture frightened them, and they then worked to have laws instituted that 'curbed' American Culture. We have reached the point where Political Correctness no longer needs outside urging to 'curb' the scary American Culture.

(Fire suit on)

reply to post by LockNLoad


Waht is "American culture"??

is it Amish, or Southern racist? Northern contemptuous? Irish New York? Mormon? Plains Indian? Pilgrim religous fanticism? Something else??

Originally posted by Owner777
Im a Brit so I can only use My ability to read subtitles
They say the inprisonment indefinately without trial does not apply to US citizens however they dont say the arrest doesnt apply in other words they can say sorry you was in millitary custody for 6 months but we just needed to verify you was a US citizen. The Senators can then decry the millitary publicly just in time to get the voters on side for the next ellection as I said Im just a Brit but its how it reads to me

Hey bro , we own the US read,

The United States is a private corporation owned by the British Crown (Rothchilds), the Bank of England (Rothchilds) and the Vatican (Rothchilds again). It was previously called the Virginia Company until 3/9/33 when it was dissolved by Roosevelt under the Emergency Banking Act. On 5/5/33 Congress elected to dissolve the Gold Standard and Sovereign Authority of the U.S. and all of its official capacities including government offices, departments and officers. The U.S. is a corporation, not a nation. The Federal Reserve is neither Federal, nor a Reserve. It is a private counterfeiting organization run by Jewish bankers who lend the money they print out of thin air at interest while we keep on paying these criminals to fleece the People.

Anyway back to the present ,

Occupy SF is holding an "emergency" protest march today in opposition to a federal bill that would allow the imprisonment of American citizens without trial in some circumstances.

The march against U.S. Senate Bill 1867, the 2012 National Defense Authorization Act, was set to begin at noon at Justin Herman Plaza.

Section 1031 of the bill states that "a person who was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States" may be held in military custody.

Section 1032 goes on to state that American citizens would not be exempt from the law.

While President Obama supports the passage of the bill, his administration has raised concerns about several provisions of the legislation, including sections 1031 and 1032.

"Applying this military custody requirement to individuals inside the United States ... would raise serious and unsettled legal questions and would be inconsistent with the fundamental American principle that our military does not patrol our streets," a Nov. 17 statement from White House read.

The Senate Armed Forces Committee on Nov. 15 unanimously approved the bill, which modified the original version passed in June by making a $21 billion cut in military spending.

The bill could be passed within the next couple of days, according to the Senate's website.

I have read members that have dissected the bill......BUT ambiguity will be on the side of TPTB , no means yes ,
white is black....... shut up and put the shackles on buddy argghhhhh this is bloody scary stuff and I am not in the US Cameron will be taking notes regarding this insane piece of legislation , dribbling at the mouth to lock us Brits up , bill of rights nope this is england my son, put the handcuffs on and be quiet

Originally posted by claireaudient
There is very little cause to be proud to be an American any more. We're Amerikan's. I'm wondering exactly when did we take this turn?

Perhaps with the so called patriot act after 9/11. Ad to that people in the Congress who don't have the intellect of a potted plant. It has been said I think by my hero Ben Franklin, (and quoted by many others) "People who will trade their freedoms for security deserve neither"

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
reply to post by LockNLoad

 

Waht is "American culture"??

is it Amish, or Southern racist? Northern contemptuous? Irish New York? Mormon? Plains Indian? Pilgrim religous fanticism? Something else??

It always surprises me when somebody cannot see what the American culture is (or in truth what it used to be), because we are for the most part a very simple and straight forward people and our culture was also simple and straight forward. Americans used to put great stock into achievement and hard work.
American culture used to be about doing the best you can with what you have, to fiercely defend yours and the next guys right to pursue doing the best you can with what you have, and to mind your/our own damn business.
It really is that simple, and up until the end of WW2 that is pretty much how America was running, at least IMO

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by LiveToSpendIt

Originally posted by ofhumandescent
reply to post by FarmerGeneral

 

Very insightful post. I'm gearing up to preparing myself to yet again read Mein Kampt (Haven't read it in decades) but your comment again was insightful and intelligent.

Got bad news.

Literary historians' majority opinion is that Hitler didn't personally write, compose or even dictate Mein Kamph.

Which literary historians would those be??

As far as I can see the only suggestion that someone else wrote it is an uncorroborated suggestion by Jesuit priest, Fr. Alberto Rivera, that a fellow Jesuit named Fr. Staempfle wrote it. This story is found around all the usual conspiracy sites, often in exactly the same format.

Looks like you have homework to do.

Droidinvoid,

If you're going to post BS, be prepared to be exposed.

This is from the bill.

(b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-

(1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.

(2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.

Anyone interested in this bill, search S.1867, and READ THE BILL!!!!

I would think this story would have everyone here raising hell. This is tthe right by federal officials to walk up in your home anytime they want for whatever they want.
Of course, that's been the rule since 2005. There are 600+ pages to this bill. Why would these guys start showing integrity now? There is a reason we have not yet noticed.
www.post-gazette.com...

reply to post by pistolerooo

UPDATE: Don’t be confused by anyone claiming that the indefinite detention legislation does not apply to American citizens. It does. There is an exemption for American citizens from the mandatory detention requirement (section 1032 of the bill), but no exemption for American citizens from the authorization to use the military to indefinitely detain people without charge or trial (section 1013 of the bill). So, the result is that, under the bill, the military has the power to indefinitely imprison American citizens, but it does not have to use its power unless ordered to do so.

Source

Section 1302 addresses detention requirements, the rest of the proposed bill doesn't exempt all American citizens by any means. I suggest not taking things out of context and spinning it your way next time.

Now What ?


The Washington Times
Tuesday, November 29, 2011

Defying a veto threat from President Obama, the Senate voted Tuesday to preserve language that would give the U.S. military a crack at al Qaeda operatives captured in the U.S., even if they are American citizens.

Led by Sen. Carl Levin, the Michigan Democrat who chairs the Senate Armed Services Committee, senators voted 61-37 to preserve the language that gives the military custody of al Qaeda suspects, rather than turning them over to law enforcement officials.

“We are at war with al Qaeda and people determined to be part of al Qaeda should be treated as people who are at war with us,” Mr. Levin said.

He and Arizona Sen. John McCain, the ranking Republican on his committee, had struck a deal earlier this month on giving the military priority custody, while allowing the administration to waive that and give civilian authorities priority if it deems the waiver in the interests of national security.

Wheeew!

Senate defies Obama veto threat in terrorist custody vote

I am beginning to wonder if all this is just political grandstanding.

Not much legislation is going to pass as long as the Repubs and Dems are not a majority ruling party.

in the meantime, they continue to collect salaries and fees....at OUR expense !!

reply to post by claireaudient


This may be of interest to those wondering whether or not this bill applies to U.S. Citizens.
Edit To Add: See you around the FEMA camp...

Paul vs McCain Debate: Detaining American Citizens Indefinitely (VIDEO)
www.abovetopsecret.com...
by CALGARIAN
started on 11/29/2011 @ 05:53 PM

Originally posted by CALGARIAN

McCain fell short of actually answering Rand Paul's question in a straightforward manner, but I think we get the jist of it.

reply to post by pistolerooo

Originally posted by pistolerooo
Droidinvoid,

If you're going to post BS, be prepared to be exposed.

This is from the bill.

(b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-

(1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.

(2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.

Anyone interested in this bill, search S.1867, and READ THE BILL!!!!

Pistolerooo, you're exposed:

Originally posted by rstregooski
reply to post by Xcathdra

 

That pretty much says it all: The Gestapo Act Of 2011. Secret arrests? Check. Indefinite detention? Check. Military execution? More than likely.

This waives it. See you in indefinite detention mister.

The New and Improved Twilight Zone Version of America.

Turning the Amercan Dream from this:


Into this:

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure.
quote thomas jefferson. and unfortunately when you have government run by lawyers they seem to forget there place. it might be time to fertilize our liberty tree.

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
reply to post by LockNLoad

 

Waht is "American culture"??

is it Amish, or Southern racist? Northern contemptuous? Irish New York? Mormon? Plains Indian? Pilgrim religous fanticism? Something else??

Hot Dogs.

2nd.

I think stars should be taken away when someone posts damming, false information. Like this thread.