Cops bust open face of Black Friday grandpa

reply to post by GoldenRuled


A court of law and the news are two very different places.

Update: Fox has updated its story to provide the Buckeye Police Department's side of the story. According to Assistant Police Chief Larry Hall, 54-year-old Jerald Newman "began flailing his arms" when they asked him about the video game. This somehow led to Newman being cuffed. "As the officer put handcuffs on the suspect, he resisted arrest, flailing his arms and pulling away from the officer backing up," Hall says. How did Newman flail his arms while he was being cuffed? Hall tells ABC: "'The officer got one cuff on him and the gentleman was like, 'I'm not going to jail!'" Maybe Newman didn't want to go to jail because he hadn't committed any crimes. It's just a thought.

Hall claims that Newman had tried to run out of the store, and that's when police "did a leg sweep"—making him fall and hit his face on the hard cement floor. Newman has been charged with shoplifting and resisting arrest. ABC News provides a video of the arrest that includes sound as well as graphic scenes of Newman's face covered with blood. "Why did you throw him down so hard?," a bystander can be heard asking police. To protect the video game, duh!

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What a moron. Sounds like he got boisterous and got taken down.

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In support of the police officers story, the video does show someone making the comment, "you sure that was necessary for shoplifting?". The person saying that suggests that he agrees the man was intending to shoplift. Otherwise he would've said, "he didn't do anything". His statement must've been lost.

Originally posted by Evolutionsend
In support of the police officers story, the video does show someone making the comment, "you sure that was necessary for shoplifting?". The person saying that suggests that he agrees the man was intending to shoplift. Otherwise he would've said, "he didn't do anything". His statement must've been lost.

edit on 26-11-2011 by Evolutionsend because: (no reason given)

It also supports the excessive force allegation.

You still haven't realized that this whole thing is not about whether he was shoplifting or not but IS about whether or not excessive force was used.

reply to post by Iamonlyhuman


Would you rather the officer trip him or tackle him to the ground? I think tripping is a less violent use of force. This old man just happened to not catch himself with his hands. I'd choose to be tripped over ridden down by a heavier person any day of the week.

It does seem that concealment is considered shoplifitng in AZ. That in my opinion still doesn't excuse this excessive force by the police.

Knowingly conceals on himself or another person unpurchased merchandise of any mercantile establishment while within the mercantile establishment.

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"The Buckeye police chief has defended the actions of the officers"

Police defending the violent actions of other police...I'm shocked.

Originally posted by DROKKR
Yet again my blood boils.

These people, who are meant to serve and protect, will go untouched for their crimes against this man. It's a disgrace. More worryingly for me though, is the fact the incidents like these are taking a seemingly massive leap in frequency and in their levels of violence and injury.

Don't you dare defend the cops on this one.

Erm... The man was shop lifting....lied about what he was doing trying to get away with it, using his grandson as a part of his lie.....

and you are mad at the cops for stopping him?

Right then....all I can say is people get so damn crazy on Black Friday. A person got shot, people got maced...People mobbed ad stole and tore stores apart.

This is why I refuse to go to black friday.....Every

There were at least seven people arrested at the local Wal-Mart on "Black Friday" in the town near where I live.... They all were caught shoplifting and were escorted out of the store in handcuffs ..... There was no screaming or blood spilled during any of the arrest....The cops enforced the law by taking them into custody and the judicial system will determine what to do as far as punishing those that are found guilty of the charges against them..... That is the way things are supposed to work....

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Originally posted by SmoKeyHaZe
Can I ask how 'Black Friday' got that name?

Perhaps a religious pun on 'Good Friday'..or..



It has been the day, in years past, where the retailers all make it "into the black" as far as profitability for the year. It is the genius reasoning behind our economic collapse. Retailers operate at a loss for 11 months of the year, and then they hang all their hopes on this weekend for sales to bring them into the black, and then hopefully they turn a little profit between now and Christmas.

If you ask me, they should all go out of business if that is how they run things.

That is where the name came from though.

Right. One more point to tie it all up -- when accounting books were done by hand, negative amounts would be entered in Red ink, and positive amounts in Black ink. Thus the term Black Friday instead of Blue Friday, or Green Friday, or...

reply to post by GoldenRuled

Chad says that police had already handcuffed Newman without incident and were walking him though the store when a cop “hooked the leg of the man and grabbed [him] by the shirt and slammed him face first into the ground.”

wow messed up....

reply to post by Evolutionsend

Tell you what... let's just do this the right way and I'll agree with you. All we have to do in order to do this right is pass one simple law:

"Any person who makes any action a law enforcement officer deems to be, in his/her sole discretion, to be indicative of intent to commit a tort or criminal offense while inside any publicly-accessible building, shall be considered to have waived his/her rights to all court proceedings, and shall be punished immediately by said law enforcement officer by whatever means said law enforcement officer deems appropriate."

See how easy that is? Might need to rewrite that silly Constitution while we're at it too...

TheRedneck

This man needs to suck it up.A little blood is good for a story to tell the grandchildren around the fire.Hey junior,remember the time I tried to steal that game for you in walmart and the cops rearranged my face and left me crumpled in a bloody heap.Thats because I love ya .Now go get your granpa my moonshine bottle whippersnapper.

reply to post by TheRedneck


The right way would be to follow the law. According to Kali's post he broke the law as soon as he shoved the item under his shirt. He's going to jail. The arrest was made. There is no other right way to do it.

Welcome to America where cops ar right until proven wrong.

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this is a viral incident and taking the polices word at face value you'd think you'd know better. There are reports on several sites showing this clip that the man, tucked it into his waist to get ahold of his grandson in the panic ensuing. And the police took it upon themselves to do what they did. If we only go by the story of those paid to lie for one and other to maintain power, them we have all lost....

How bout we let the man himself in the coming days, tell his side of the story. then we can all jump on the wagon, but how bout letting both sides be told. How many videos have been posted here where the story of he police, is 1000% different from the video evidence, and they end up eating there actions and words on paid leave.

I personally feel its another over anxious ego driven a$$hole cop, but then again I am entitled to my own opinion.

SaneThinking

reply to post by Evolutionsend


Convieniently leaving out:

A. A person commits shoplifting if, while in an establishment in which merchandise is displayed for sale, the person knowingly obtains such goods of another with the intent to deprive that person of such goods by:

Embhasis mine. So again no law was broken. No reason for the detainment in the first place.

azleg.gov

Not sure how things work in AZ.
However if the guy put the game up his butt here in Florida. As long as he didn't try to leave the store with it.
It is not shoplifting.

I've taken classes for my security license and they were pretty clear on this.

You have to actually try to take the merchandise out of the store before it can be considered shoplifting.

The police have a lawsuit on their hands.

have seen worse - all in all american cops are best...hardcore to the bone....no matter if it looked like hes tryed steeling, hes an old man...

Eeesh. Incoming $.02

Without both sides of the story, and a clear thorough investigation,

A leg sweep on a (partially/fully handcuffed?