Senators Demand the Military Lock Up American Citizens in a “Battlefield” They Define as Being R

reply to post by Perfectmatthew


Terrorism concerns are fine, and is the sole reason we have the FBI and several other Federal agencies who are able to enforce federal law. States also have terrorism laws on the books, and as such can investigate / prosecute those crimes as well.

The use of the military, while on the surface and taking into account the ever expanding aresenal of weapons available to those groups, makes sense. Until a person completely understands exactly what that action will cause, making it a very very very bad idea.

As it stands now the only crimes that automatically fall under federal jurisdiction in terms of FEMA and the military is a nuclear chemical or Biological incident, regardless of what state it occurs in.

as far as military use in law enforcement, Posses Commitatus prevents active duty federal military units from engaging in local law enforcement functions unless specifically requested, and even then strict guidelines must be adheared to.

As an example a few years back a murder spree started in a rural county. The only law enforcement agencies present was the sheriffs office and a small municipality with a few offiers. by the time the death toll hit 11 people in a few hour period, the Sheriff and Police chief requested assistance from a nearby active duty military base. About 20 MP's and an officer were sent to assist local law enforcement.

Under state law, the sheriff and police chief acted approrpriately, and the request was valid. The military units were acting under the authority of the sheriff and police chief. When it was all said and dont the Inspector generals Office reviewed the incident, and ruled the military invovlement did in fact violate posse commitatus. The Officer who authorized it was disciplined but retained his command.

Now - Posse Commitatus does NOT apply to state gaurd units. Since those units report to their commander in chief, which in that case is the governor of the state they belong to, they can be used in local law enforcement functions if needed. The adjutant general of the state is the liason between the state units and federal command structure (which might be changing, adding another general to the joint chief that represent state military units at the federal level).

Any legislation that removes locla law enforcement / federal law enforcement functions, instead replacing them with the military is a bad bad bad idea, and any Sentaor who votes for it should be voted out of office.

The military is governed by the UCMJ, not local / state / or even federal law. The people they would be dealing with fall under local / state / federal law and not the UCMJ.

The systems are NOT compatible. As others have pointed out, contact your reps and be heard on this one. It doesnt matterif its been suggested and shot down every year. The simple fact some Senators think its a good idea bears watching.

Do your due dilligence as a citizen and be heard.

I posted a link to the article on my 'cringing' facebook page lol. I know, I know but it's a good way to get this out to more people.

There was also a petition that you can sign which can be found HERE

I urge you all to PLEASE SIGN THIS!!!

reply to post by phishyblankwaters


Defenders of such policy shifts ironically will tend to allude to the Constitution -- when I was reporting from Capitol Hill in the post-9/11 legislative environment, I repeatedly listened in horror as defense industry types, lawmakers, and their think-tank apologists routinely acknowledged, in some sense, the importance of the Constitution, but with the addendum, "Still, the Constitution is not a suicide pact."

In other words, it's a great document, except when it's gets in the way of carrying out the vision of would-be tyrants.

reply to post by phishyblankwaters

Hard to see this as anything less than a de facto declaration of war on any population of the US Congress's choosing? Talk about 'clear & present danger'!

Originally posted by Xcathdra

As it stands now the only crimes that automatically fall under federal jurisdiction in terms of FEMA and the military is a nuclear chemical or Biological incident, regardless of what state it occurs in.

And it should be an extremely severe case of the aforementioned! Or perhaps an overt attack by aliens as far fetched as it seems. I would not be suprised if the PTB used martial law for minor to medium threats though......

I am glad we have the second amendment present in our constitution. Many british nation/colonies do not have that luxury as they were convinced the government is their guardian angel. Anyone who has done serious research into the NWO should know better but most everyone is distracted from daily life routines, celebrity gossip and sports.

reply to post by phishyblankwaters


Now can you see the picture back then with those ILLUMINATI< MARTIAL LAW< Video.

The Nazi are back and in full effect.

i have nothing else to say but I'm not going to sleep on my ass...

Life is good but if i tell you tomorrow you would be regretting not to fight your freedoms.

reply to post by phishyblankwaters


If it comes to this, I would rather live in a prison with a free mind *IDGAF* than live in "freedom" among the populace, constantly under threat.

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


An unarmed populaton = subjects
An armed population = citizens

i think, and believe from personal experience, that when it comes down to it, the people, local and state governments and law enforcement will prevail over the idiot ass ideas of the federal government.

Not that any suggestion along these lines should be taken lightly, nor should they be ignored with the thought it will never happen here. The only way to ensure that is to speak up and make sure our elected officals hear us loud and clear.

i think the reality of all those paedos in power is slowly beginning to appear to be less and less amenable to the lives of ordinary citizens, and their right to liberty and free speech every day.
Also all those schills decrying 9/11 as the work of arab states, giving senators the right of ignorant refusal to see it for what it really is, lets those willfully blind, ignorant, backward, retarded, scum designate any portion of the planet not under attack from a foreign enemy a "conus" battlefield, even when outside the united states.
All those fema camps look very suspicious now, more so than they did a few years ago.

Originally posted by The X
All those fema camps look very suspicious now, more so than they did a few years ago.

???
What FEMA Camps?

H.R. 645 was introduced and referred to committee, which is where it died -

H.R. 645: National Emergency Centers Establishment Act

Introduced in 2009 - never saw the light of day.

Many people are confusing "FEMA" camps with the very real

Immigrant detention camps operated by a contractor.

Last year, Jesse Ventura had a TV show that made a connection.


here is the real camp from the Jesse Ventura show last year:

www.correctionscorp.com...

en.wikipedia.org...

its a genuine camp for "immigrant" detention owned by a contractor.

some say these could be used anytime for "FEMA".


and here we see maps and locations similar to the t.v. shows and talk sites:

www.bop.gov...


all this plus existing military compounds could be used anytime.

scroll through some of the links and you will see many familiar pictures that have been touted as "FEMA" camps......they are already here as State and FED prisons.

check all the CCA facilities used for various States and FED prison operations:

CCA has contracts with many govt agencies !!

www.correctionscorp.com...

and finally, you can read H.R. 645 here:

www.govtrack.us...

This is my line in the sand.

Bill

Originally posted by DrunkenDonuts
I read through the entire thread and honestly I remain unconvinced. But comparing the ACLU article with what the bill actually says seems worlds apart. The frustrating thing is that most of the replies to this thread are people who only read the ACLU article, didn't bother to read the bill or any argument counter to the ACLU article, and now just assume the Government is out to get them yet again. Guys, a follower that believes an argument, without looking for a counter argument, is still a follower. All I ask is that everyone: 1. Read the bill. 2. Read the counter arguments to the ACLU article. 3. Find the truth for yourself. I haven't been on this site long, but I see people blindly believing whatever is presented to them *ALL* the time, without ever considering counter arguments. You say the rest of the world blindly believes what the media and their governments tell them, and you're doing the same thing here.

With that being said...The Patriot Act is the worst thing ever to happen to this country.

edit on 26-11-2011 by DrunkenDonuts because: (no reason given)

Here's something I'd like for you to understand. I know you know this, but let me remind you and other naysayers that legislation like this never would have been introduced 30 years ago much less 230 years ago.

As TPTB keep taking an inch, we back closer to the corner. We don't have much room left.

I and the rest of us are not saying this means martial law. We're saying that the noose is getting tighter. They tighten the noose a bit. We freak out. They back off....for a while....then come back and do it again. It's all in the language now. They killed a US citizen, well that's ok cuz he was a terrorist. Was he? Guess he can't argue that now can he?

The CFR member, Bilderberg attendee Gingrich says we are going to be fighting terrorists for the rest of our lives. We can't wait for a terrorist to blow up a city and then nab him.

The only solution then to that is to park a police car in front of every person's house...people that don't have access to nuclear weapons. But let's leave senators, CIA, FBI, and others who do have access alone to run amuk and maybe actually plant a bomb. Gee how did this one get passed us? Oh well. let's tighten the noose a bit more.

And just because a bill has one sentence in it that says citizens aren't to be touched doesn't mean they won't do it anyway. It leaves it wide open to mistakes.

The way police operate is that they just have to have a suspicion that you are guilty of something and then arrest you. Then a few days later they can determine that they were mistaken and let you go. Meanwhile you have to find another job!

And how are they going to find out if you are a citizen?

They first have to take an interest in you and that, my friend is intimidation.

They've tread on us so much that we've begun to defend their schemes as normal.

Well Don't Tread On Me!

reply to post by ofhumandescent


That little ditty reminds me strictly of this. I am a citizen of the United States of America. I was born here and have lived here all of my life. I am an individual. If I seek others to speak for me, I can expect to recompense them for the service. I do not speak for others, as I am an INDIVIDUAL ENTITY. I do not expect others to speak for me. DO I believe we are tending toward a fascist state in this country? Yes, I do, in the sense we have corporate/government mixing...I do not like any form of totalitarian state, as it leads to less individual freedom...

My point is this...if you break the law, or advocate for an overthrow of the government, then this is wrong. I speak out and educate and seek for others to do the same...

EDIT: But I do not like the fact others here choose to label me as a supporter of killing innocents or the oppression of others, simply because of an ERRANT ARTICLE in an ACLU website...That is also intolerable behavior...

reply to post by xuenchen


And with those camps being built for immigrants, it allows folks to say, "I'm not an immigrant, so I don't have to worry about it."

We all know what comes after that....

reply to post by antonia


Just cry the word TERRORIST on the news and it's all over rover!

My question is; if people won't get in behind a cause like OWS, then what's going to take to get people UNIFIED, to fight back against with the Elite & NWO are implenting against them?

Originally posted by Vitchilo
reply to post by Frira

 

There is, after all, an excellent way to stay out of military jurisdiction: Do not get mixed up with Al Qaeda.

Except Al Qaeda is NO ONE and EVERYONE... they are who they say they are and aren't and then they change their minds. Anti-FED protesters are Al Qaeda. Pro state sovereignty protesters are Al Qaeda. Gun owners are Al Qaeda. Ron Paul supporters are Al Qaeda. Militias are Al Qaeda.

Ever see the MIAC report?

The only Al Qaeda is in Washington DC and Langley, Virginia.

edit on 25-11-2011 by Vitchilo because: (no reason given)

Unless they are directed torwards an target, then they are freedom fighters.

Suddenly loading up on arms and defensive measures doesn't seem like such a bad idea.

Are we really required to defend ourselves from our own government? I'll be damned if I'm going to just sit quietly while an armed team of military thugs breaks into my home to detain me, without explanation or justification.

I'd kill ever last one of them in the name of self defense. What courtroom is honestly going to condone this gestapo style of civilian treatment? Completely insane, it's like we're entering WWII Germany-like Nazi behavior.

reply to post by phishyblankwaters


I think John Carpenter must be some kind of prophet because his imagined US government in Escape from New York and LA are coming true. Where's Snake Plissken when you need him?

This law is rediculous! We should kick out any Congresswhore who votes for it. I think we all need to get gun licenses becuase it souds as if they really want us to defend ourselves.