Was The Titanic Destroyed By A German Submarine?

reply to post by babybunnies
The most recent evidence shows that there was only a 12 square foot opening,the size of a refrigerator,in the hull allowing water inside the ship > www.eszlinger.com...

Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by babybunnies

 

The most recent evidence shows that there was only a 12 square foot opening,the size of a refrigerator,in the hull allowing water inside the ship > www.eszlinger.com...

edit on 10-6-2012 by blocula because: (no reason given)

Yes, but it was across five adjacent compartments on the ship. This has been pointed out before. You seem to be unable to grasp this simple point.

Originally posted by blocula

Originally posted by AngryCymraeg
Sod it, I'm done with thinking aboutit. Blocula, I've formally reported you for trolling. I can't imagine how else to describe your behaviour.

edit on 10-6-2012 by AngryCymraeg because: Typo

If you perceive the fact that i'm able to stand my ground,while defending my view points for hundreds of posts,no matter how long,as trolling,then,whatever and why are you even bothering to say anything within this thread?

Yes, you stand your ground, but by ignoring any evidence that contradicts your theory. And I bother to reply because I have this strange need to point out blatant untruths.

reply to post by blocula

I've tried to read through the thread entirely before commenting but I've seen this too many times now without anyone refuting it at this point.

A 12 foot hole equals torpedo damage imo

NO it doesn't. It was 220-245 feet in length with an area of 12 square feet. Area = Length x Width. This means the gash was approximately 5/8 of an inch in width over the length of it. NOT a 3' x 4' hole.

Do you have any evidence that a torpedo actually impacted the Titanic? I've yet to see it presented if you do.

Originally posted by DenyObfuscation
reply to post by blocula

 

I've tried to read through the thread entirely before commenting but I've seen this too many times now without anyone refuting it at this point.

A 12 foot hole equals torpedo damage imo

NO it doesn't. It was 220-245 feet in length with an area of 12 square feet. Area = Length x Width. This means the gash was approximately 5/8 of an inch in width over the length of it. NOT a 3' x 4' hole.

Do you have any evidence that a torpedo actually impacted the Titanic? I've yet to see it presented if you do.

All he has is speculation. He has no proof at all. He has, however, been operating under the delusion that his theory has a leg to stand on.

reply to post by AngryCymraeg


the question to ask the OP is [ if , as it seems - he believes the hole was 3` * 4 ` ]

how did that single hole comprimise 5 compartments ?

Originally posted by ignorant_ape
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the question to ask the OP is [ if , as it seems - he believes the hole was 3` * 4 ` ]

how did that single hole comprimise 5 compartments ?

Probably space monkeys again. That or the sooper seekrit torpedo.

Originally posted by AngryCymraeg

Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by babybunnies

 

The most recent evidence shows that there was only a 12 square foot opening,the size of a refrigerator,in the hull allowing water inside the ship > www.eszlinger.com...

edit on 10-6-2012 by blocula because: (no reason given)

Yes, but it was across five adjacent compartments on the ship. This has been pointed out before. You seem to be unable to grasp this simple point.

That 12 square original hole in the titanics hull,responsible for allowing sea water into the ship,could not have been caused by an iceberg,that would have had to have been able to rapidly punch itself inwards and outwards really fast against the side of the moving ship,in order for it to have created such a small hole,which it could not have done,but a submarine launched torpedo could have and torpedos are able to be pre-built within certain required sizes and pre-set to certain required levels of depth and explosive charge...

Originally posted by blocula

Originally posted by AngryCymraeg

Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by babybunnies

 

The most recent evidence shows that there was only a 12 square foot opening,the size of a refrigerator,in the hull allowing water inside the ship > www.eszlinger.com...

edit on 10-6-2012 by blocula because: (no reason given)

Yes, but it was across five adjacent compartments on the ship. This has been pointed out before. You seem to be unable to grasp this simple point.

That 12 square original hole in the titanics hull,responsible for allowing sea water into the ship,could not have been caused by an iceberg,that would have had to have been able to rapidly punch itself inwards and outwards really fast against the side of the moving ship,in order for it to have created such a small hole,which it could not have done,but a submarine launched torpedo could have and torpedos are able to be pre-built within certain required sizes and pre-set to certain required levels of depth and explosive charge...

edit on 14-6-2012 by blocula because: (no reason given)

You keep saying this, and merely displaying how little you know about the Titanic disaster. A torpedo hit that impacted five seperate compartments would have been vast and would have blown off a substantial chunk of the hull. It would also have been a very violent event and would not have been described as a 'shudder' by the numerous witnesses that survived the event. So, no torpedo. Just an iceburg. Oh and what's this gibberish about the hole being punched inwards and outwards?

reply to post by AngryCymraeg
Theres a multitude of various size ranges and detonation capabilities that torpedos were and still are designed with,different levels of explosive charge for different types of missions...

As sea water poured in through the original smaller hole,one end of the ships hull filled up more and more until that end lifted up out of the water,resulting in the ship bending and twisting and ultimately tearing open a much wider and longer hole...

no

they saw the iceberg

they saw the ship hit the iceberg

end of story

Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by AngryCymraeg

 

Theres a multitude of various size ranges and detonation capabilities that torpedos were and still are designed with,different levels of explosive charge for different types of missions...

As sea water poured in through the original smaller hole,one end of the ships hull filled up more and more until that end lifted up out of the water,resulting in the ship bending and twisting and ultimately tearing open a much wider and longer hole...

edit on 14-6-2012 by blocula because: (no reason given)

......... Right. You have just proved that you know nothing about the sinking of the Titanic. And about torpedoes in general. We're talking about the torpedoes of 100 years ago. They were not electronic, they were relatively primitive, with contact detonators. Plus you obviously know nothing about the internal compartments in the Titanic. Let me make this very, very clear - there were internal divisions within the ship. A torpedo would have, at best, impacted two of these, if it hit on the boundary between them. Five? Fat chance, not without sinking the ship inside an hour (which I stress did not happen).
Blocula, you do realise that we're all laughing at you don't you?

reply to post by blocula


bloc,

That 12 square original hole in the titanics hull

Is a fictional product of your imagination or simple miscomprehension of your own often cited Source.

From that source

The gash that the iceberg cut into the hull of the Titanic was between 220 to 245 feet long. The total length of the ship was approximately 882 feet.

Notice that the length of the gash is compared to the length of the ship.

Though the damage in the hull was 220 to 245 feet long, the most recent evidence shows that there was only a 12 square foot opening (the size of a refrigerator) in the hull allowing water inside the ship.

The 12 sq ft opening is a measure of area. 12 sq ft over the length of 220 - 245 ft. NOWHERE will you find that a hole approx. 3' x 4' was the initial damage allowing water into the ship.

As sea water poured in through the original smaller hole,one end of the ships hull filled up more and more until that end lifted up out of the water,resulting in the ship bending and twisting and ultimately tearing open a much wider and longer hole...

Keep in mind bloc, the Titanic had a height of 175'. When this happened

As the ship was sinking, the stern rose out of the water, and broke into two pieces between the third and fourth funnels.

it tore a gash 200'+ along the length of the ship??? Remember YOUR source says it was the 200'+ gash that was 12 sq ft in area that allowed the water into the ship in the first place.

Originally posted by AngryCymraeg

Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by AngryCymraeg

 

Theres a multitude of various size ranges and detonation capabilities that torpedos were and still are designed with,different levels of explosive charge for different types of missions...

As sea water poured in through the original smaller hole,one end of the ships hull filled up more and more until that end lifted up out of the water,resulting in the ship bending and twisting and ultimately tearing open a much wider and longer hole...

edit on 14-6-2012 by blocula because: (no reason given)

......... Right. You have just proved that you know nothing about the sinking of the Titanic. And about torpedoes in general. We're talking about the torpedoes of 100 years ago. They were not electronic, they were relatively primitive, with contact detonators. Plus you obviously know nothing about the internal compartments in the Titanic. Let me make this very, very clear - there were internal divisions within the ship. A torpedo would have, at best, impacted two of these, if it hit on the boundary between them. Five? Fat chance, not without sinking the ship inside an hour (which I stress did not happen).
Blocula, you do realise that we're all laughing at you don't you?

The torpedo only needed to impact against and penetrate partially or all the way through one of the Titanics sixteen compartments,which were not completely watertight...

then that one compartment would have filled up with sea water,pouring through the original small hole and then spilled over into the next compartment which also filled up and spilled over into the next one and so on until there were six compartments filled...

causing the stern of the ship to rise up out of the water,eventually tearing the ship in two and ripping a much longer and wider hole in the process,partly caused by unbearable stress created by the immense weight of the Titanics huge propellars being raised out of the water...

During World War 1,the passenger liner Lusitania,which entered service in 1907 and had a length of 787 feet, was sunk by a single torpedo launched from a German U-boat on May 7th 1915 with a loss of 1,198 lives and so torpedos were easily and obviously able to sink massive ships 100 years ago...

The Myth Of The 300ft Gash > www.rmstitanic.net...

reply to post by blocula

The torpedo only needed to impact against and penetrate partially or all the way through one of the Titanics sixteen compartments,

As usual, WRONG.

From your source, rmstitanic.net

In May of 1912. Edward Wilding, a marine architect for Harland and Wolff, in a brilliant piece of theoretical engineering, demonstrated for the British Board of Trade Inquiry that, from the reports of the observed rate of flooding in all six the breached compartments

It is not as you say.

It wasn't until 1996 that ultrasonic probes conducted by Paul Mathias were able to conclusively establish that there was no gash: the damage done was indeed a series of bent plates, split seams and small holes--the total area open to the sea being just a little over 12 square feet.

Try finding a source that supports, not contradicts your theory. The only 3' x 4' hole is in your theory.

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The torpedo that sank the Lusitania also hit a compartment that was full of coal dust, which is incredibly explosive. That triggered a much bigger explosion, which blew out a large chunk of the hull. The Titanic didn't have anything of the sort happen to it, reported by ANY survivor.

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
no

they saw the iceberg

they saw the ship hit the iceberg

end of story

Way too simple, almost no one will buy that, although I will.

At the time, Germany had not developed the technology project iceberg holograms, which would be essential to a 'no iceberg' theory.

reply to post by DenyObfuscation
For all we really know here and now,a hundred years after the sinking and inquiry,edward wilding may have been in the know,a part of the cover up,implanted into the conspiracy to spread lies and spoon feed disinformation to a shocked and gullible public hungry for quick and acceptable answers...

Originally posted by blocula
The torpedo only needed to impact against and penetrate partially or all the way through one of the Titanics sixteen compartments,which were not completely watertight...

then that one compartment would have filled up with sea water,pouring through the original small hole and then spilled over into the next compartment which also filled up and spilled over into the next one and so on until there were six compartments filled.

Oh, but you are disproving your own claim here, because NOTHING of the sort happened! What a nice way to add to the litany of reasons why the sub "theory" is nonsense.

reply to post by roadgravel
Or maybe perhaps the impacting detonation of a german submarine launched torpedo,caused the titanic to suddenly and unexpectedly lose its steering,then sail off course and against a nearby iceberg?

And those sounds supposedly claimed by some passengers and crew to have been caused by the titanics massive boilers exploding,just doesnt hold any water with me...

Because some or all of those passengers and crew were most likely inside the ship and asleep,many hundreds of feet away from the explosion and they most likely never heard a massive bolier exploding before and could not have known for sure thats what they heard...

and the overwhelmingly vast majority of people back then,didnt know what an exploding torpedo sounded like,or even what a torpedo was and chances are,anyone who happened to have been close to the point of impact and explosion,didnt live to tell about what they saw and heard...