Anti Zionism is not Racist: Why Zionists Pretend Anti-Zionism is Anti-Semtic

Originally posted by SuperiorEd
There is an avalanche of evidence to show you that the Bible is accurate to what it states. No conspiracy over generations can be followed by an entire nation and world because a shepherd said it in his writings. No conspiracy can allow the various authors to follow the same heptadic writing style over centuries. I can't convince you of this, but reading my thread topics backwards can allow you to see if you choose.

No you cannot convince me of that - because it simply isn't true. Your belief and ones like it have held back humanity for centuries.

Originally posted by SuperiorEd
If you are going to say I did something, have the courage to quote me and then state the problem. You are putting words in my distal phalanges that I did not type.

I did quote you. If you didn't mean that then I apologise but you made no sense at all otherwise.

Anti Zionism is still not racist regardless

Originally posted by JohhnyBGood
Most of the Koran deals with hatred of infidels, especially jews - this is not about 'anti-zionism' - it is about unsubservient jews living in land formerly conquered by Islam - and therfore considered to be Islamic land foreverafter.

By the same token the Jealous God proclaiming a chosen people above all others is an inherently racist position and is the words of a scribe not any God. It was echoed in the 20th century by the claim of the Nazis that Aryans are the superior chosen race. How's that for horrific irony?

Originally posted by JohhnyBGood
All this nitpicking about distinctions is merely to obscure from western cretins the real basis of their hatred.

The land "belongs" to the native Palestinians and other ethnic groups - not to any religion.

Attempting to steer attention from the lie that anti-Zionism is racist - as you do here - will also perpetuate the bloodshed.

reply to post by Pimander

By the same token the Jealous God proclaiming a chosen people above all others is an inherently racist position and is the words of a scribe not any God. It was echoed in the 20th century by the claim of the Nazis that Aryans are the superior chosen race. How's that for horrific irony?

The words of an imposter god more like - one who got pissed that they didn't live up to his commands, still the Jews have been a pretty harmless bunch and contributed enormously to world culture.
Still the imposter god came up with bogus religion no2 or is it no3 ie Islam who you guessed it are the 'chosen people' superior over all others, and especially the jews - kind of why the Nazi's got along so well with them!

The land "belongs" to the native Palestinians and other ethnic groups - not to any religion.

Until it became Politicaly expedient to do so - none of the Arab leaders considered that to be true, or that a 'Palestinian people' existed at all - in fact they went to pains to spell that out on many occaisions!

Since jews have maintained a continous presence there since OT times then they have every right to be there - and were granted the land under international treaty by the then administrators. And since then have won it by right of conquest anyways.

This is about jihad pure and simple - since that doesn't go down well in the West - the left has dressed it up as a bogus human rights issue for them with the use of 'inversion of reality' propaganda techniques that the Nazi's pioneered.

Originally posted by JohhnyBGood
Until it became Politicaly expedient to do so - none of the Arab leaders considered that to be true, or that a 'Palestinian people' existed at all - in fact they went to pains to spell that out on many occaisions!

I'm not talking about Arab leaders (read ruling class) in the region. I am talking about the locals who were mainly Palestinian and considered themselves to be precisely that regardless of any rulers there.

As for the tiny Jewish presence, there were Christians and others there too but they were the tiny minority. That is just a spurious Zionist position.

Originally posted by JohhnyBGood
This is about jihad pure and simple - since that doesn't go down well in the West - the left has dressed it up as a bogus human rights issue for them with the use of 'inversion of reality' propaganda techniques that the Nazi's pioneered.

What you stated there is pure propaganda. If you think this is not a human rights issue then you are part of the problem and lack humanity in my opinion. There is no inversion of reality other than yours here.

Thanks for your opinion. No thanks to your Zionist propaganda.

Anti-Zionism is not racist or anti-Semitic

Originally posted by Pimander

Originally posted by JohhnyBGood
Until it became Politicaly expedient to do so - none of the Arab leaders considered that to be true, or that a 'Palestinian people' existed at all - in fact they went to pains to spell that out on many occaisions!

I'm not talking about Arab leaders (read ruling class) in the region. I am talking about the locals who were mainly Palestinian and considered themselves to be precisely that regardless of any rulers there.

As for the tiny Jewish presence, there were Christians and others there too but they were the tiny minority. That is just a spurious Zionist position.

Originally posted by JohhnyBGood
This is about jihad pure and simple - since that doesn't go down well in the West - the left has dressed it up as a bogus human rights issue for them with the use of 'inversion of reality' propaganda techniques that the Nazi's pioneered.

What you stated there is pure propaganda. If you think this is not a human rights issue then you are part of the problem and lack humanity in my opinion. There is no inversion of reality other than yours here.

Thanks for your opinion. No thanks to your Zionist propaganda.

Anti-Zionism is not racist or anti-Semitic

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Propaganda - really! - perhaps you ought to actually read the Hammas charter - it calls for the complete destruction of Israel pure and simple!

Or perhaps the Koran and hadiths that mandate that all jews must be killed when the Mahdi arrives - or that once a land has been conquered by Islam - it remains forever the property of Islam.

This is not propaganda - it is simply how Muslims, (who do not subscribe to any version of human rights), see it.

'Palestine' was an empty, forgotten, sparsely inhabited backwater of the Ottoman Empire - those who lived there just considered themselves as Arabs....................... until the jews began improving the land.

reply to post by JohhnyBGood

Listen mate, this is not an Israel versus the Muslims or a West versus Muslims thread. I hate all of that destructive nonsense. And you were spewing hatred inducing propaganda.

All Muslims are not racist. Neither are all Jews, all Christians or all Palestinians. Religious hatred breeds racist sentiment though and I abhor it. All Muslims do NOT agree with Hammas. Stop trying to tar all with your racist slander.

Please, no more racism in this thread! Do not incite religious hatred on ATS!

reply to post by Pimander

Please, no more racism in this thread! Do not incite religious hatred on ATS!

Have you noticed the amount of threads and posts coming up, since you penned this Thread, trying to convince us all that anti-zionism is the "new" antisemitism?

I think you have ruffled some feathers my friend. I suggest you start clicking alert on the off topic and racist posts, as it will not get any better unless you do.

Isn't it funny that it's "antisemitic" that some of the Muslim religious texts state that land belongs to them, while Israels sole claim to the area is from the BIBLE, and it's antisemitic to disagree with it?

reply to post by JohhnyBGood

Most of the Koran deals with hatred of infidels, especially jews - this is not about 'anti-zionism' - it is about unsubservient jews living in land formerly conquered by Islam - and therfore considered to be Islamic land foreverafter.

Zionism was created into a political movement in relation to WW2 and the nazi holocaust against the Jews. Your argument bares no relation to the thread.

reply to post by SuperiorEd

There is an avalanche of evidence to show you that the Bible is accurate to what it states.

Is there? I'm pretty sure there isn't. It's not related to the thread and will probably be removed for off topic but:

he Bible as History: How God Got It Wrong

Science and History in the Bible

The Old Testament story goes something like this: the Israelites were nomads living somewhere in the vicinity of ancient Mesopotamia. They migrated first to Palestine and then were captured and enslaved by the Egyptians. Somewhere along about the 13th century BCE, the Israelites-- all 600,000 of them-- managed to escape the clutches of Egypt, and fled into the desert. After many tribulations and conflicts, King David managed to consolidate his hold over the land of Canaan, and established a mighty kingdom.

There were no prototypical Hebrews living in the city of Ur, who migrated westward in the second millennium. Research into urban development and nomadic growth patterns in the early second millennium show no such migration, and cities mentioned at this point in the Bible did not then exist. Moving up the time of the migration to the mid second millennium offers no solution, either. Cities which dominated the landscape at that time fail to be mentioned in the Bible, at all. There are no ancient Egyptian records that mention an exodus of 600,000 slaves from Egypt, or (in fact) 600,000 formerly nomadic slaves, period. And while one might rightfully say that the number could have been exaggerated, and hence simply elided from the official Egyptian record, the fact remains that in the supposed 500 years during which the Hebrews were enslaved by Egypt, no Egyptian records mention them, no archaeological evidence supports the story, no utensils, living quarters, cookpots... nada, zip, nothing. And the cities with which the fleeing Hebrews did battle, on their way to the land of Canaan? Didn't exist during the window in which archaeologists have determined such an escape, if true, must have occurred, based on other claims in the Bible, such as what cities the enslaved Hebrews supposedly built for the Pharaoh.

Anyways, how again is this related to "Anti Zionism is not Racist"

lets not forget those who support the zionists.
one example is the evangelical christians.
with so many backing basically anything they do, it's not hard to figure out how they keep so much political power.

reply to post by Pimander


Um - no I am simply stating easily verified truths - that you cannot face, and in order to facilitate your denial of them, you call it 'hate speech' - as though you can magic away inconvenient truths by declaring them Politically unacceptable.

All Muslims may not be racist - but they are 'religionist' - and that is a simple fact! - they do not respect other religions as being equal to their own in the way that other faiths are willing to do.

As for Anti-zionism/antisemitism/antijewism - sure you can make legitimate differences.

But when people like A'jad are railing against the Zionist entity and how it must be wiped from the pages of history - you can be dammned sure he has in mind the extermination of every single Israeli - followed soon after by the extermination of every last jew on earth!


If people were making distinctions between say, hating blacks and hating 'black culture' - how well do you suppose that would go down amongst the left - hmmm!?

Considering most Israeli's came from Europe means they are not even semitic. Anti-semitism has become a get out of jail free card for Zionists.

Originally posted by phishyblankwaters
reply to post by JohhnyBGood

 

Most of the Koran deals with hatred of infidels, especially jews - this is not about 'anti-zionism' - it is about unsubservient jews living in land formerly conquered by Islam - and therfore considered to be Islamic land foreverafter.

Zionism was created into a political movement in relation to WW2 and the nazi holocaust against the Jews. Your argument bares no relation to the thread.

Yes it does - I am stating that (as far as muslims are concerned) 'anti-zionism' is just handy political cover for the real issue - jihad!

I propose an ignore the haters policy.

You know who they are.

Originally posted by phishyblankwaters
Isn't it funny that it's "antisemitic" that some of the Muslim religious texts state that land belongs to them, while Israels sole claim to the area is from the BIBLE, and it's antisemitic to disagree with it?

Another great point.

Oh yes, of course I've ruffled feathers. That's what happens when you tell the truth.... You invariably upset those who seek to deny or are blind to it.

reply to post by Pimander

Are Anti Zionism and Anti-Semitism the Same?

Yes.

Anti-Zionism is the new Anti-Semitism.

reply to post by JohhnyBGood

Yes it does - I am stating that (as far as muslims are concerned) 'anti-zionism' is just handy political cover for the real issue - jihad!

Which still doesn't equate anti-zionism to antisemitism. And no, your point doesn't have any validity because those Muslims weren't anti-zionist as the modern form of Zionism didn't even exist yet.

reply to post by JohhnyBGood

All Muslims may not be racist - but they are 'religionist' - and that is a simple fact! - they do not respect other religions as being equal to their own in the way that other faiths are willing to do.

Wow, someone should introduce you to Judaism. How many Muslims are getting holidays banned because they feel upset that it isn't their religion? Plenty of Jews can be considered 'religionist' and they do not respect other religions as being equal to their own in the way that other faiths are willing to do. But I forgot, when talking brown people, we can generalize, when talking about Jews we can't.

Thanks for reminding me.

reply to post by Rockdisjoint

Anti-Zionism is the new Anti-Semitism.

Opinion noted.

So, I can safely assume you are anti-nazi right? therefore you are anti-german and wish all those descendant from German blood to be exterminated from this earth.

you can be dammned sure he has in mind the extermination of every single Israeli - followed soon after by the extermination of every last jew on earth!

Well if I was sure, I'd spell it correctly. Must be nice having the ability to read peoples deepest thoughts and to also see the future.

So, going from his remarks he wants to wipe every Jew off the face of the earth (even though we both know he didn't say that) what does that say about the Israeli leaders referring to the Palestinians as cattle, beasts on two legs, grasshoppers to have their heads smashed against the rocks?

Obviously Israel will not rest until every single Arab is exterminated.

see how your twisted and warped logic works?

I propose an ignore the haters policy. You know who they are.

I propose the opposite. I propose we continue to debate them, highlighting their ignorance and tactics for all to see.

Originally posted by Rockdisjoint
reply to post by Pimander

 

Are Anti Zionism and Anti-Semitism the Same?

Yes.

Anti-Zionism is the new Anti-Semitism.

Please tell us.....why? How have you come to this conclusion? As most people have already said they are against the policies and not the people. If that is anti-Semitic call me Bill O'Reilly cause there's no words there! I can't read it!