Temple 100 Feet Underground!

reply to post by angellicview


Thank you. As Falco says,

'They are to remind people that we are all capable of much more than we realise and that hidden treasures can be found within every one of us once you know how to access them,' says Falco.

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reply to post by bulla


Then you might as well ascribe the future to the pantheistic influence of Hinduism.

While i appreciate and acknowledge different approaches to God, i find the symbolism of this temple complex to be profane in some places, particularly with the nude woman, statues of gods/goddesses, depictions of man as some 'super' divine being...Personally, i find that stifles spiritual growth i.e. humility, rather then facilitates it, and so i would agree with both the Jews and Muslims that it is better not to depict man in art, because man becomes puffed up because of it.

My spiritual philosophy acknowledges different approaches, and even that of Hinduism with its insistence on approaching God through His multiple forms, but it should be remembered that this is just one amongst many; and it is also a minority amongst a world which avows a monotheistic or non-theistic philosophy.

Originally posted by dontreally
reply to post by bulla

 

Then you might as well ascribe the future to the pantheistic influence of Hinduism.

While i appreciate and acknowledge different approaches to God, i find the symbolism of this temple complex to be profane in some places, particularly with the nude woman, statues of gods/goddesses, depictions of man as some 'super' divine being...Personally, i find that stifles spiritual growth i.e. humility, rather then facilitates it, and so i would agree with both the Jews and Muslims that it is better not to depict man in art, because man becomes puffed up because of it.

My spiritual philosophy acknowledges different approaches, and even that of Hinduism with its insistence on approaching God through His multiple forms, but it should be remembered that this is just one amongst many; and it is also a minority amongst a world which avows a monotheistic or non-theistic philosophy.

There is only two types of GODS

Those that thought they were
And
Those that thought they were

This looks very similar to the crawl space under my house...

reply to post by angellicview


I've known about this place for years. There is a great table book on it as well. Absolutely breathtaking. Thanks for reminding me of it.

reply to post by bulla

few things irritate me more, and which i find more conceited, then these 'zen' like statements in conversations which require clear and reasoned thought.

If you want to talk that way with someone who shares your beliefs, go right ahead, but in a forum discussion, you come off as an egotist who thinks hes saying something "wise", but is actually just regurgitating some trite eastern nonsense he read in a book.

This is truly amazing.

One of this year's Ancient Aliens spoke about the temples that are made of rock into the side of mountains and under ground. I kept thinking to myself, "there is no way man could have done that."

Yeah, I was wrong. This is proof that not only is it possible, but probable.

Still unsure about the pyramids though

reply to post by Unthought Known


Are you referring to the history channel show ancient aliens??

reminds me of that recent south park episode that parodies the "History" channel which spends more and more time on speculative subjects like UFOs, ancient aliens, etc

LOL...its hilarious...

Look guys - I know we can do this. We can build a world that works for everyone.

But first we have to let go of ourselves. We have to let go of opposing ideas being somehow "bad". In a world that works for everyone, all ideas that don't hurt someone else are all good.

Christian vs. Muslim
Right vs. Left
Democrat vs. Republican
One God vs. Many Gods

Just let go of it.

When we learn to do this, we can create a wonderful society.

reply to post by angellicview

Christian vs. Muslim
Right vs. Left
Democrat vs. Republican
One God vs. Many Gods

In a future world utopia, i want nothing less then a Christianity, Islam, Right and Left, Eastern and Western, living in harmony.

What I DON'T want is this theosophical vision which seeks to wipe out ALL conflicting beliefs i.e. Islam, Christianity, and Judaism especially, in favor of a one 'buddhist'-Hindu type world religion.

THAT to me, because it requires the removal of the great good that already exists in the various religious philosophies, would be a profound evil. It would be an attack on the historical progression of man.

There is only ONE God, and even an educated Hindu, albeit, approaching God from a finite perspective, is intimately aware of that when he worships.

Even the Zen Buddhist who insists on 'nothing', or 'suchness', in his abject nihilism, understands a complete unity (of a distinctly eastern sort) between object-subject, mind and matter......This Tao, or whatever term, or idea, or experience they want to ascribe to it, is an essentially non-verbal experience of the same metaphysical God Judaism, Christianity and Islam talks about.

Only difference is, Judaism maintains that God demands of man something; that God, firstly, does exist, as a separate being, and secondly, the only thing he demands of man, pertains to this dimension of his existence, namely, right action. Confucianism, despite it being derided by Taoists and Buddhists as merely "conventional", would be regarded by a Jew, as divinely inspired, a system designed to preserve a spiritual order and efficiency within society.

All the worlds religions in my opinion have within them the innate capacity to bridge themselves under one basic stipulation, that man, in whatever form he's been inspired, conduct himself always in a way that accords with proper action: not to steal, not to murder, not to gossip/insult others, not to harm nature, etc....

As normal as the above idea is, there are buddhists, hindus, gnostics, satanists, etc, all of whom would regard themselves as "spiritual" who would simply not respect the above laws. Humanity seems to be fickle, and stubborn in this way. We need to be whipped, like a dog needs to be tugged by a leash, at least to some minimal degree, towards a commitment to proper action, because some people insist in their spiritual arrogance and egotism, that 'morality' is nothing important, or in fact, derails man from the true experience of life......

A proper spirituality combines all these ideas together, and realizes morality is in itself, is also very spiritual. To reduce spirituality to mere convention, or order, to mere human abstraction, is one of the things about eastern thought which i find to be unappealing. It is too one sided- too much to the right.... It may be perfect, and it may be truth to a Buddhist. Conversely, the western approach is true to the westerner. This, i think is the proper approach. Where we speak, but when we speak, we take great care not to insult, or imply, a fixed or rigid dogma that says "my way alone is right". And simply, most people do this. Buddhists do it to Christians (Alan watts spends a large portion of the 'the way of Zen" deriding Judeo-christian religion, and western spirituality) Muslims and Jews, The latter do it to each other and everyone else. Hindus to buddhists. This exclusivity of "truth" is sooo illogical.

I think the Kabbalistic doctrine of the '70' paths of the Shekinah is perfectly relevant here. God appeals to different peoples along different paths. Each path is true. Each is authentic, and each, in its sphere of influence, should be respected.

Peace should be the only concern. That said, we shouldn't turn a blind eye to immorality, to philosophies which promote radicalism, i.e. gnosticism, or people who promote hatred, i.e. the KKK, or Neo-Nazis, as is currently tolerated in western countries.

Originally posted by dontreally
reply to post by angellicview

 

Christian vs. Muslim
Right vs. Left
Democrat vs. Republican
One God vs. Many Gods

In a future world utopia, i want nothing less then a Christianity, Islam, Right and Left, Eastern and Western, living in harmony.

What I DON'T want is this theosophical vision which seeks to wipe out ALL conflicting beliefs i.e. Islam, Christianity, and Judaism especially, in favor of a one 'buddhist'-Hindu type world religion.

THAT to me, because it requires the removal of the great good that already exists in the various religious philosophies, would be a profound evil. It would be an attack on the historical progression of man.

There is only ONE God, and even an educated Hindu, albeit, approaching God from a finite perspective, is intimately aware of that when he worships.

Even the Zen Buddhist who insists on 'nothing', or 'suchness', in his abject nihilism, understands a complete unity (of a distinctly eastern sort) between object-subject, mind and matter......This Tao, or whatever term, or idea, or experience they want to ascribe to it, is an essentially non-verbal experience of the same metaphysical God Judaism, Christianity and Islam talks about.

Only difference is, Judaism maintains that God demands of man something; that God, firstly, does exist, as a separate being, and secondly, the only thing he demands of man, pertains to this dimension of his existence, namely, right action. Confucianism, despite it being derided by Taoists and Buddhists as merely "conventional", would be regarded by a Jew, as divinely inspired, a system designed to preserve a spiritual order and efficiency within society.

All the worlds religions in my opinion have within them the innate capacity to bridge themselves under one basic stipulation, that man, in whatever form he's been inspired, conduct himself always in a way that accords with proper action: not to steal, not to murder, not to gossip/insult others, not to harm nature, etc....

As normal as the above idea is, there are buddhists, hindus, gnostics, satanists, etc, all of whom would regard themselves as "spiritual" who would simply not respect the above laws. Humanity seems to be fickle, and stubborn in this way. We need to be whipped, like a dog needs to be tugged by a leash, at least to some minimal degree, towards a commitment to proper action, because some people insist in their spiritual arrogance and egotism, that 'morality' is nothing important, or in fact, derails man from the true experience of life......

A proper spirituality combines all these ideas together, and realizes morality is in itself, is also very spiritual. To reduce spirituality to mere convention, or order, to mere human abstraction, is one of the things about eastern thought which i find to be unappealing. It is too one sided- too much to the right.... It may be perfect, and it may be truth to a Buddhist. Conversely, the western approach is true to the westerner. This, i think is the proper approach. Where we speak, but when we speak, we take great care not to insult, or imply, a fixed or rigid dogma that says "my way alone is right". And simply, most people do this. Buddhists do it to Christians (Alan watts spends a large portion of the 'the way of Zen" deriding Judeo-christian religion, and western spirituality) Muslims and Jews, The latter do it to each other and everyone else. Hindus to buddhists. This exclusivity of "truth" is sooo illogical.

I think the Kabbalistic doctrine of the '70' paths of the Shekinah is perfectly relevant here. God appeals to different peoples along different paths. Each path is true. Each is authentic, and each, in its sphere of influence, should be respected.

Peace should be the only concern. That said, we shouldn't turn a blind eye to immorality, to philosophies which promote radicalism, i.e. gnosticism, or people who promote hatred, i.e. the KKK, or Neo-Nazis, as is currently tolerated in western countries.

And who shall be man's whipping boy?? Who get's to choose how a freely born human shall live their lives. According to whose rules? your's? your fathers? hmm

Interesting isnt it how our views of others are a reflection of ourselves. Your opinions are yours and yours alone. To decry immorality in others is the height of intolerance and ego. Let the cards fall where they may. we are all insects on the back of a giant, with self imposed importance running around telling the world how things should be. How about you live YOUR life the way you want and the rest of the world does the same.

Yes. I think that's what it needs to come down to. In a nutshell: as long as you're not hurting anyone, you (and everyone else) should be able to live your life the way you want to and you will let everyone else do the same. Tolerance. Even celebration of differing opinions.

I believe that we need to get this concept first, then we can begin to create a world that works for everyone.

And back on topic of the Temples, I believe that this is something this guy is saying with the artwork. Celebration of the variety of human beings.

reply to post by TiM3LoRd

And who shall be man's whipping boy?? Who get's to choose how a freely born human shall live their lives. According to whose rules? your's? your fathers? hmm

Well, who currently administers law?? The state.

Man will never rise above the current state of things, or will become nothing more than a NWO version of India, if we don't all make a collective effort, as a matter of duty, to purge those negative aspects from the collective unconscious, or rather, from a society which passes on negative traits from one generation to another......

Interesting isnt it how our views of others are a reflection of ourselves. Your opinions are yours and yours alone. To decry immorality in others is the height of intolerance and ego.

The same thing could be said about you: Your indifference to morality, and your defense of your version of reality, can equally be regarded as an expression of "egotism".

And so, with the Eastern empty-minded way of thinking, we enter an infinite regression of accusing one another of egotism. Ironically, the easterner stops at saying "you're being an egotist" when someone asserts a moral direction, and yet, isn't defending your philosophy just as egotistical? Isn't there a pride in dogma by negating anothers? Maybe you should follow your own logic and just shut up?

So, in the end, all that can be expected of man is that he seek to live a life in pursuit of happiness and liberty, but at the same time, make every effort to insure the above for his fellow.

Thus, to be punished for theft, for murder, rape, and other typical crimes, is common sense, but even more, it is important to prevent those emotions which underlie much of those vices which plague our present society - the promulgation of base and egotistical traits which promote gossip (for instance, shows like 'gossip girl"), lying, vanity etc.......

It can be done, and man can learn to live a different way...It only takes a will to make that a reality....

And there can only be one will: no obstruction, as Zen Buddhism teaches so well. If there are conflicting wills, man is stuck in a infinite cycle of 'birth and death'. But if there is one will, if there is one desire, to change and make this world a better place, without those vices which lead to injustice, without the arrogant self assertion of "I CAN SEEK LIBERTY" even if it means denying another person his personal dignity, then we can hope for a better world.

Yes, i am aware there is a contradiction between preserving liberty, to an extent, but denying it beyond the point where it seeks to encroach on what belongs to another.

In your world, kids would be allowed, or rather, left to bully the 'weakling', and the weakling, and, awkward one, would grow up with emotional issues, and possibly even commit suicide before that time. Interfering, and preventing the kid to do that, wouldn't that be an obstruction of "what he feels like doing", or will we drop the eastern nihilism and be reasonable, and practical, and also spiritual, and dare i say "holy", in the sense of performing a Godly action, by instructing the bully to understand, and even ostracizing the bully, to prevent his behavior from becoming an accepted mode of expression.

It's an impressive piece of work i'll give the guy that. As far as calling it the 8th wonder of the world i think that's a stretch. Hopefully people will see this and realize what mankind can do, maybe put a damper on some of these ancient alien theories.

Originally posted by lokdog
It's an impressive piece of work i'll give the guy that. As far as calling it the 8th wonder of the world i think that's a stretch. Hopefully people will see this and realize what mankind can do, maybe put a damper on some of these ancient alien theories.

You are the second one that mentioned the Ancient Aliens. I enjoy that series. I think what may be being misunderstood here is that one of the big points the ancient alien theory is that 1) humans didn't have access to the kinds of tools that we do today, and 2) if you believe in the evolutionary theories that are taught in our schools, humans were not supposed to be as evolved as to be able to create such great things at that time.

Originally posted by dontreally
reply to post by TiM3LoRd

 

And who shall be man's whipping boy?? Who get's to choose how a freely born human shall live their lives. According to whose rules? your's? your fathers? hmm

Well, who currently administers law?? The state.

Man will never rise above the current state of things, or will become nothing more than a NWO version of India, if we don't all make a collective effort, as a matter of duty, to purge those negative aspects from the collective unconscious, or rather, from a society which passes on negative traits from one generation to another......

Interesting isnt it how our views of others are a reflection of ourselves. Your opinions are yours and yours alone. To decry immorality in others is the height of intolerance and ego.

The same thing could be said about you: Your indifference to morality, and your defense of your version of reality, can equally be regarded as an expression of "egotism".

And so, with the Eastern empty-minded way of thinking, we enter an infinite regression of accusing one another of egotism. Ironically, the easterner stops at saying "you're being an egotist" when someone asserts a moral direction, and yet, isn't defending your philosophy just as egotistical? Isn't there a pride in dogma by negating anothers? Maybe you should follow your own logic and just shut up?

So, in the end, all that can be expected of man is that he seek to live a life in pursuit of happiness and liberty, but at the same time, make every effort to insure the above for his fellow.

Thus, to be punished for theft, for murder, rape, and other typical crimes, is common sense, but even more, it is important to prevent those emotions which underlie much of those vices which plague our present society - the promulgation of base and egotistical traits which promote gossip (for instance, shows like 'gossip girl"), lying, vanity etc.......

It can be done, and man can learn to live a different way...It only takes a will to make that a reality....

And there can only be one will: no obstruction, as Zen Buddhism teaches so well. If there are conflicting wills, man is stuck in a infinite cycle of 'birth and death'. But if there is one will, if there is one desire, to change and make this world a better place, without those vices which lead to injustice, without the arrogant self assertion of "I CAN SEEK LIBERTY" even if it means denying another person his personal dignity, then we can hope for a better world.

Yes, i am aware there is a contradiction between preserving liberty, to an extent, but denying it beyond the point where it seeks to encroach on what belongs to another.

In your world, kids would be allowed, or rather, left to bully the 'weakling', and the weakling, and, awkward one, would grow up with emotional issues, and possibly even commit suicide before that time. Interfering, and preventing the kid to do that, wouldn't that be an obstruction of "what he feels like doing", or will we drop the eastern nihilism and be reasonable, and practical, and also spiritual, and dare i say "holy", in the sense of performing a Godly action, by instructing the bully to understand, and even ostracizing the bully, to prevent his behavior from becoming an accepted mode of expression.

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the difference between my egotism and what i believe yours is that i believe you have the right to yours but you dont think i have the right to mine....

Stop trying to fix the world and fix yourself. The world is fine YOU'RE the one with the problem. There are levels of reality you are not privy to. pictures withing pictures that lead to a larger picture that it seems you havent had the pleasure of observing. According to your philosophy we would all be of the one mind, singular of emotion and purpose. That sounds warm and fluffy on paper but i'll walk my own path. Thanks anyway. Your comments reek of the self righteous preachings of the early church and its arrogance that ITS way is the only RIGHT way. Your fear is tangible and real only in your head. And i will shut up after this post as believe you have a right to your views. But i tell you this, if you or anybody like you tried to force their beliefs down my throat either through force or subtle deception be it known that there are people in this world that will defend their right to exist in this reality in the way they choose to. Dont waste your time replying to this post as this matter is closed, and i have nothing more to say on the topic.

Back on topic, Its a fantastic expression of human creativity and a marvelous example of how people can do anything they set their minds to even in the face of adversity and ridicule from society, more power to them.

Outstanding find thank you for your contribution. People who build temples with esoteric motifs often do so in order to practice rituals. I've seen a few, most quite small, no more than one room, often done in egyptian motif. But never anything like this.

reply to post by TiM3LoRd

the difference between my egotism and what i believe yours is that i believe you have the right to yours but you dont think i have the right to mine....

If that were true, why do you point out my egotism? Whats the purpose in that? I don't deny that the ego exists. In fact, i think there is a divine significance to its existence.

Stop trying to fix the world and fix yourself. The world is fine YOU'RE the one with the problem.

Again...Have you read William James' "the Varities of religious experience"? There is one part of that book, one premise he makes, which i absolutely agree with: Each person is attracted to his own truth. Some people need Christianity, while others need Judaism, or Islam, or Zen.....

The problem i feel most people have, is this short sightedness. They've read very little. They found what they wanted, and settled in it, secure that what they have is the "truth", when what they have is merely THEIR truth, and not the truth. You have appeared to have done the same thing.

I can look at the philosophy of Buddhism, and Zen, ontologically, and see a massive metaphysical failure. It insists on looking at things "non-dualistically", and yet, we know, the world IS precisely composed of a dualism! They are merely one vessel, looking out at a world beyond form, before time and space, at the void, and saying "This is it!".. This is what the Hindus have done, and what the gnostics did, and the Easterners have succeeded in de-theologizing this apprehension of reality. Do you know what my compunction with it is? Its total onesidedness. Its total disregard for the particular, for the form, the for the living symbol that is the world God created.

Thus, to look at it another way. Who is responsible for the wonders of the modern age? The Easterners, absorbed in their nothingness? Or the west, based as it is on its metaphysical systems.

The truth is, there is relativity even between the the 'void' and "non-duality" and the world of creation and order. The void DOES NOT negate the world as it is, and to think it does, leads to great great evils; its not a surprise, for instance, that communism has thrived best in lands formerly Taoist or Buddhist, such as in China, Korea, Cambodia, Vietnam.....This disregard for the particular, for the 'moral' has led to a system of the "all" which impresses itself and imposes itself, beyond all recognition, on the individual.

In my studies, i have come to the conclusion that while there is a truth to all great religions, there is also a relevance and importance, a SOCIAL IMPERATIVE, divinely imparted to man, through the Hebrew Torah, to follow basic moral precepts, as a matter of metaphysical profundity - to establish a world-order that can sustain itself by containing its unfettered power.

Before you make a movement, you constrict you muscles. The constriction occurs whether you're conscious of it, or whether you are in a "zen" like state. Similarly, it is said that before God created the world, he constricted his presence, creating a 'void'; within this void, the world - order - was established. So to, the human being IS, indeed, supposed to live in tune with his environment. But at the same time, paradoxically, he has to exercise proper and responsible judgement.

It is nothing but childish and arrogant nonsense to maintain that:

"There are levels of reality you are not privy to. pictures withing pictures that lead to a larger picture that it seems you havent had the pleasure of observing"

First, i HAVE experienced those 'subtleties' you refer to. Its not exactly a concept someone who studies religions as ardently as myself doesn't encounter. However, this is precisely what i am calling on man to avoid: to avoid the impression that only one reality is of the utmost importance.

On a larger note, this is why the Jews have been opposed by the Christians, and Muslims, both of whom emphasize this 'void', the Gnostic "Abraxas", "Al Khadir" or in Kabbalistic terminology, the "Ein Sof".

There needs to be a balance, just like there is between the west and the east, up and down, the moral and the transcendental.

In the Kabbalistic system, Asia corresponds to the sphere (or energy) of Chesed - expansiveness, and so, the eastern mind naturally inclines to this expansive, non-obstructive, mode of thought and life. The Easterners in their total one-sidedness, their connection to the right, to the infinite, neglect the role of the left. Conversely, the West is too materialistic, too immersed in the left, in forms, in 'order'. There is a need for balance between these positions, but each balance, in each place, can be made in its own way.

The only thing i call for is a moral awareness against excess, against being irresponsible. The Eastern mind seems to have this intense anxiety about this.

Okay, I didn't want to get into this. BUT......

Maybe the problem could be that you are studying "religion".

Why not get the answers straight from the people who have experienced the afterlife and can tell us all about it?

Go to Near Death Experience Research Foundation website and read for yourself thousands of peoples' NDE's.