What Christ says about Evolution

All I'm say'in is : Common or uncommon I'm objective evidence that my ancesters had nothing to do with any monkeys or buffalo or sheep or cattle. K ? Nothing. Sorry about anyone elses luck

Originally posted by randyvs
Allo I'm say'in is : Common or uncommon I'm objective evidence that my ancesters had nothing to do with any monkeys or buffalo or sheep or cattle. K ? Nothing.

Why do people act like it's so bad that we may have evolved from some other creature? What if I evolved from a turd? So what? I am who I am today, and I'm proud of it.

Originally posted by Hydroman
Yes, so which ones do you go by? The ones that show women aren't equal, or the ones that do? Contradictions?

*snipping for space*
(I Corinthians 11:3), (I Corinthians 14: 34-35), (I Timothy 2: 8-15)

Ephesians 5 and Colossians 3 says that husbands are the head of the wife and for wives to submit to the husband. That's not equal.

First off, the Law at the time was not like our laws today, and that is to say Man's law - there was no equality of women, unlike today in our laws. Indeed, just like the Muslim religion today, women are left in the dust.

Now, what do you think "submit" means in this context? That if a Husband wants sex, the woman must obey no matter what? It isn't talking about ANYTHING physical here; but spiritual. Like I Corinthians 11:3 says, woman yields to man, man yields to Christ, and Christ yields to God.

But they ARE all equal, as it says in Galatians 3:28 - There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Want an example of how God views women? Read the book of Esther - a strong believer in God, who stood up against the laws of MAN, and preached the words of God, and she was blessed..

He didn't want people dead? Why flood the earth and kill them? You're right, I don't understand how god works. Do you think you do? Show me where giants were found that hasn't been debunked. Yes, there are 6 fingered people. There are also people with 4 arms, some with two heads, etc. These are called birth defects, or failed splitting of embryos, etc. You say that you don't see many of them alive today, so that means that there are some? The almighty god's plan to kill them didn't work? Oh noes!

First, back to your other quote from the last post, asking why God didn't just snap his fingers and kill them all off. Now, there's a reason God does anything, and if he were to just kill them all off without question, you know what you would say to me right now? "Why didn't God give them the chance to repent?" Instead, he did. He gave them 120 years to repent, and they still mocked Noah and God.

And, as for the other post in this thread asking what I believe the Nephilim are, I'll just answer that here as it's related. Angels that came down, whom possessed men, essentially half demon and half men, whom laid with women and gave birth to children that showed the birth defects you mentioned. They were simply symptoms of them, but that doesn't mean the symptoms today show that a kid's parents are demons, because those can happen if, say, incest relations, mutations, etc.

Doesn't mean the Nephilim are alive today, and it's not a contradiction.

After showing all the possible ways that plants could have survived, you then say this. An olive tree had grown enough already to sprout leaves?

Let's nitpick, shall we? How long do you think it takes for a seedling to sprout leaves, anyways?

No evidence for a world wide flood would be for starters.

I responded to this in my other post.

Focus on the last statement you made. That's how they think because they are reading a book and trying to make it fit it.

Uh, no. The videos aren't for a worldwide flood. So, you basically just ignored my post if you thought that, because I didn't even imply that.

....and yes, we can get a virgin pregnant. It's called artificial insemination.

They had artificial insemination 2000 years ago?

Originally posted by Hydroman
reply to post by Lionhearte

 

Your evidences for world wide floods could also be evidence for local floods, or disasters such as meteor strikes causing tsunamis, or magnetic pole shifts, etc. How do you know that it was a world wide flood caused by a god that did those things?

Uhh, except these examples occur all over the world. Spontaneous sorting of layers, the strata, etc.. That's not something magnetic pole shifts or much less meteor strikes could cause.

Originally posted by Lionhearte
First off, the Law at the time was not like our laws today, and that is to say Man's law -

I was quoting from the N.T. after Jesus had already come and gone.

Originally posted by Lionhearte
Now, what do you think "submit" means in this context? That if a Husband wants sex, the woman must obey no matter what? It isn't talking about ANYTHING physical here; but spiritual. Like I Corinthians 11:3 says, woman yields to man, man yields to Christ, and Christ yields to God.

So why doesn't it say "and men should submit to women" if we are equal?

Originally posted by Lionhearte
But they ARE all equal, as it says in Galatians 3:28 - There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Again, not disagreeing with you here, just showing the contradiction in the scripture of the N.T.

Originally posted by Lionhearte
First, back to your other quote from the last post, asking why God didn't just snap his fingers and kill them all off. Now, there's a reason God does anything, and if he were to just kill them all off without question, you know what you would say to me right now? "Why didn't God give them the chance to repent?" Instead, he did. He gave them 120 years to repent, and they still mocked Noah and God.

So why didn't he snap his fingers after giving them 120 years? He didn't kill them all, there were still nephilim after the flood as the bible states.

Originally posted by Lionhearte
And, as for the other post in this thread asking what I believe the Nephilim are, I'll just answer that here as it's related. Angels that came down, whom possessed men, essentially half demon and half men, whom laid with women and gave birth to children that showed the birth defects you mentioned. They were simply symptoms of them, but that doesn't mean the symptoms today show that a kid's parents are demons, because those can happen if, say, incest relations, mutations, etc.

Explain how possession works. Next, explain why there are defects if it is still human dna being placed inside the woman, not demonic dna, whatever that is.

Originally posted by Lionhearte
Uh, no. The videos aren't for a worldwide flood. So, you basically just ignored my post if you thought that, because I didn't even imply that.

What videos?

Originally posted by Lionhearte
They had artificial insemination 2000 years ago?

Not saying that this is what happened, but what if there is some truths to these stories, and that these beings they claim to be gods were actually technologically advanced beings. They could artificially inseminate humans, yes. Or, maybe a god did actually get her pregnant without touching her, in order to birth himself into this world, then later sacrifice himself to himself to serve as a loophole to get around the law which he created himself.

Originally posted by Lionhearte
Uhh, except these examples occur all over the world. Spontaneous sorting of layers, the strata, etc.. That's not something magnetic pole shifts or much less meteor strikes could cause.

Why isn't it? If the poles shift, meaning switch places, the whole landscape of the earth would change. Major earthquakes could occur. Land that was low can now become high. Land that was high could now become low, etc. If I remember correctly, scientists can show that the magnetic poles of the earth have changed many times.

Do you think that the mountains we have today were always there? You don't think that earthquake, geological changes, etc. have taken place all throughout history? Do you think the earth as it is now has always been this way?

.......right

Originally posted by Hydroman
I was quoting from the N.T. after Jesus had already come and gone.

And I was referring to the laws of man thousands of years ago, or hey, even 300 years ago, before America came along, anyways. That doesn't really matter anyways, as the law of God is the final authority.

So why doesn't it say "and men should submit to women" if we are equal?

I Corinthians 11:11-12 Nevertheless, neither is man independent of woman, nor woman independent of man, in the Lord. For as the woman was from the man, even so the man also is through the woman; but all things are from God.

Ephesians 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for it.

Ephesians 5:28-29 So husbands ought to love their own wives as their own bodies; he who loves his wife loves himself. For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as the Lord does the church.

Colossians 3:19 Husbands, love your wives and do not be bitter toward them.

God actually has more to say to men about how to treat their wives, than he says to women.

Men and women are to be companions in marriage, to Christ. Not competitors.

Stop being offended by the word 'submit'. It doesn't mean what you think it means.

Again, not disagreeing with you here, just showing the contradiction in the scripture of the N.T.

It isn't a contradiction, there aren't any in the Bible. Don't take things out of context. Remember, the O.T. is a historical account of what has happened, most of it regards the law that man has given to man, or in such events that God has given commands to different people than us, living in a different time than us.

God is unchanging.

So why didn't he snap his fingers after giving them 120 years? He didn't kill them all, there were still nephilim after the flood as the bible states.

So it isn't the decision itself you're questioning, but his methods? That seems a little odd.. regardless, only God himself can tell you why He did what He did, but in my experience, it's not usually just for ONE reason, but multiple. Things were getting out of hand, and who knows what the world would be like today should man not have been given a second chance to start fresh.

Explain how possession works. Next, explain why there are defects if it is still human dna being placed inside the woman, not demonic dna, whatever that is.

Possession should be self explanatory. It's when one's body is no longer under their control, but a host has taken over. Parasites could be a good example.

What videos?

Okay. You thought I was talking about Creationist claims. I wasn't.
Have you been to the Grand Canyon? There are centers/museums there where they attempt to explain how the Canyon formed. Videos are shown. That was mentioned in my "last sentence" you told me to focus on..

Regardless, you still ignored the rest of my post, asking how you could explain how the Canyon was formed.

Not saying that this is what happened, but what if there is some truths to these stories, and that these beings they claim to be gods were actually technologically advanced beings. They could artificially inseminate humans, yes. Or, maybe a god did actually get her pregnant without touching her, in order to birth himself into this world, then later sacrifice himself to himself to serve as a loophole to get around the law which he created himself.

These.. beings that "claimed" to be God, technologically advanced, or whatever.. why go through the trouble of artificially inseminating humans? For what reason?

Man is born of flesh and water of this world, so as the Holy Spirit came upon the virgin Mary, conception took place. He lived the perfect life, and was without sin. Even if an ordinary man was capable of this, he couldn't become the intercessor that we needed to enter into Heaven. The Holy Spirit dwells within us, and it's the acceptance that God did what He did in order to save us, because He knew without Jesus, no one would enter into Heaven.

All would be damned. We needed the intercessor, someone to say we're not guilty, even though we are.

Originally posted by Hydroman
Why isn't it? If the poles shift, meaning switch places, the whole landscape of the earth would change. Major earthquakes could occur. Land that was low can now become high. Land that was high could now become low, etc.

I'm not saying it isn't impossible, as in fact it could have been the shifting of the poles that 'caused' the Flood.. there's no evidence of that I'm aware of, but it could have attributed to it in some way, sure.

If I remember correctly, scientists can show that the magnetic poles of the earth have changed many times.

And still does. I'm not denying that it can't happen.

Do you think that the mountains we have today were always there? You don't think that earthquake, geological changes, etc. have taken place all throughout history? Do you think the earth as it is now has always been this way?

I don't believe geological changes take as long as most people think. I gave you examples of the other poster (that you responded to) earlier on. My points still remain.

I do, however, believe that the Earth, generally, was like this since it's creation, 13,000~ years ago.

Originally posted by Lionhearte
And I was referring to the laws of man thousands of years ago, or hey, even 300 years ago, before America came along, anyways. That doesn't really matter anyways, as the law of God is the final authority.

Isn't the bible inspired by the holy spirit? I quoted biblical scripture. If it isn't inspired by the holy spirit, then why follow it?

Originally posted by Lionhearte
I Corinthians 11:11-12 Nevertheless, neither is man independent of woman, nor woman independent of man, in the Lord. For as the woman was from the man, even so the man also is through the woman; but all things are from God. etc.

Again, I don't disagree that those verses are in there, but it still says for the wife to submit to the man, as the man is the head, not the woman. It doesn't say the woman is the head, nor does it say for the man to submit to the woman. Sorry. Again, that's not being equal. A master can love his slave, but they aren't equal as one owns the other.

Originally posted by Lionhearte
Stop being offended by the word 'submit'. It doesn't mean what you think it means.

I'm not offended by the word "submit". Anyways, the man is the head according to the bible, not the woman. Did you not read that?

Originally posted by Lionhearte
Possession should be self explanatory. It's when one's body is no longer under their control, but a host has taken over. Parasites could be a good example.

Sorry, it's not self explanatory. You need to explain to me how this happens. How does one being take over another person's body. Again, you didn't explain the dna transfer from possessed human male to human female. Why does possession make a difference if it is still human dna being transferred?

Originally posted by Lionhearte
Regardless, you still ignored the rest of my post, asking how you could explain how the Canyon was formed.

Water flows to the lowest point, following a route of least resistance. In the area of the grand canyon, water followed a certain path for thousands, and maybe millions of years to finally eat away the rock and form what is now the grand canyon.

Originally posted by Lionhearte
These.. beings that "claimed" to be God, technologically advanced, or whatever.. why go through the trouble of artificially inseminating humans? For what reason?

Good question. Now, why would a god do that? Matter of fact, why would an omnipotent god inseminate himself into a human, then sacrifice himself to himself in an attempt to fix things? Btw, when he inseminated himself into Mary, was he still in heaven as well, or did he disappear from heaven for a short time until he died, then came back alive and went back there again? BTW, I'm not saying all of these things really happened.

Originally posted by Lionhearte
Man is born of flesh and water of this world, so as the Holy Spirit came upon the virgin Mary, conception took place. He lived the perfect life, and was without sin. Even if an ordinary man was capable of this, he couldn't become the intercessor that we needed to enter into Heaven. The Holy Spirit dwells within us, and it's the acceptance that God did what He did in order to save us, because He knew without Jesus, no one would enter into Heaven.

So if we do the crime, we should do the time. Sacrificing someone innocent as a substitution for a criminal is sickening. Sacrificing any innocent thing for someone else's crimes is sickening. It is barbaric and uncivilized.

Originally posted by Lionhearte
All would be damned. We needed the intercessor, someone to say we're not guilty, even though we are.

We are guilty for what someone thousands of years ago did? How is that just? That is ridiculous. That's like me robbing a bank and hundreds of years later one of my ancestors is placed in prison and tortured for it for the rest of his life. Is that just? No, that is insane. If we don't deserve to be in heaven, then we just don't deserve it.

There is nothing funnier when a Christian tries to use science to make a point and fail miserably.

Originally posted by Lionhearte

1) Polystrate Fossils. They're found all over the world. They usually consist of fossil trees that were buried upright, which often traverse multiple layers of strata, such as sandstone, limestone, shale, and even coal beds. They range in size from small rootlets to trees over 80 feet long.
One example, at Joggins, Nova Scotia, polystrate tree (and root) fossiles are found at different intervals throughout roughly 2,500 feet of strata. Many of these are from 10-20 feet long, and at least one was 40 feet long.

This is a term made up by bible thumpers. Polystrate is not a geological term.
They are called upright fossils. They occurr when there is a rabid collection of layers, such as a around a volcanoe. You will also typically find these near the shore and rivers. No secret here.

2) The fossils themselves. Fossils don't form on lake bottoms today, nor are they found forming on the bottom of the sea.

You don't?? Where did you pull this idea from? Stop making stuff up.

They normally only form when a plant or animal is buried soon after it dies. Therefore, fossils themselves are evidence of a catastrophe such as a flood that took place in the past. You should also look into Rapid Petrification of Wood by Andrew Snelling.

Really, don't pull stuff out of your arse and hope it works. Google will give you millions of pieces of evidence of creatures falling on the sea floor and dying. And how would you explain the tar pits?

3) Clastic Dikes. These are basically a cross cutting body of sedimentary material which has been intruded into a foreign rock mass. They may occur in horizontal sedimentary strata or in igneous and metamorphic rocks.. think of the process like when you go to the beach and step in wet sand, and it forms into the crevices of your toes, obviously though, on a much larger scale.

They present a problem to the "mythions of years" mindset of evolution in that massive "older" sediments are found intruding up into overlying, younger strata. This must have occurred while the "older" sediments were still in a plastic state, right?

You learn this in the first two weeks of geology 101 and if you bothered to look, you could of saved yourself some embarrassment.

These are found all over the world, and there is no mystery hear either. rock layers crack, and an event liquifies rock that fills the hole. Its really very simple.
the opposite also occurs, that layers of rock are worn down around a much harder layer of rock, then sediments start filling in and that intrustion is i a layer again. That is how you get an older intrusion into younger layers.

If so, then what took the "older" sediments so long to become hard? One would think that a million years would be more than enough time to turn massive sand laden sediments into sandstone.. yet they have examples of sediments which are said to be 80 million years older than those above them, and yet they still had not become hard? Seriously?

Now I am embarrassed for you. You know rocks aren't all made of the same thing right? And different amounts of pressure have different effects on rocks? And it can take more then 80 million years to make them hard. It can take hundreds of years of pressure to change one rock into another. Diamonds take anywhere from 45 to 200 million years.

5) Marine Fossils in the Mountains. You can find evidence of these all over.. including in the Sierras, the Swiss Alps, the Himalayas, and many more.

I'll stop here, but there are many more, solid, and irrefutable pieces of evidence that show there was indeed a worldwide flood.

That is because fossils ad seashells were formed on a seafloor, and along comes a continent and pushes against another, the land gets pushed up, forming mountains. The layers get pushed up.
These layers with sea life are found everywhere too.


The irony about all this is that you are trying to use geological evidence, which is trillions of years old, to prove that the earth us young. And that there is a world wide flood.
Which no, there is no evidence of. The hypocrisy of it is astounding.

humans did evolve from monkeys. not directly but still so. Man evolved from an ape, the ape evolved from a monkey.

reply to post by Lionhearte

I do, however, believe that the Earth, generally, was like this since it's creation, 13,000~ years ago.

I'm sorry, but this is complete and utter nonsense. The earth is way way way waaaaaaay older than that, and you're off by a factor of around 346,000x

LINK

Before you say "this isn't exact"...the margin of error is +/- 1%. Not a ton given the 4.54b year age

Originally posted by Lionhearte
I'm not saying it isn't impossible, as in fact it could have been the shifting of the poles that 'caused' the Flood.. there's no evidence of that I'm aware of, but it could have attributed to it in some way, sure.

I'm sorry, but there is absolutely no evidence for a global flood in the geological record.

reply to post by MrXYZ


And the chances of one protien molecule coming together by itself 1/300 that' s a 1 with 300 zeros behind it.

If my terminology is correct.

Aoraki

I'm sorry, but there is absolutely no evidence for a global flood in the geological record.

Why does this seem to depend on who you are talking too?

Hydro

Why do people act like it's so bad that we may have evolved from some other creature? What if I evolved from a turd? So what? I am who I am today, and I'm proud of it.

I think that would just as horrible to have to admit if it were true. You would to if you had to admit it.

Originally posted by Hydroman
Isn't the bible inspired by the holy spirit? I quoted biblical scripture. If it isn't inspired by the holy spirit, then why follow it?

Because what you quoted as written was the law at the time. The law of man, at the time. The Bible acts as a historical document, and retells events in history. Inspired by the Holy Spirit to be written, that doesn't mean that every word is to be perceived as a commandment from God for all time.

Many events in the OT were spoken for certain people living in a different time..

Again, I don't disagree that those verses are in there, but it still says for the wife to submit to the man, as the man is the head, not the woman. It doesn't say the woman is the head, nor does it say for the man to submit to the woman. Sorry. Again, that's not being equal. A master can love his slave, but they aren't equal as one owns the other.

That's the main problem here. You believe when it says to "submit" that it automatically makes a woman a slave? Used for what? Sex? Cooking? Cleaning? Don't confuse the Bible with the Koran, the later of which is very clear on what women are to men.. objects.

I'm not offended by the word "submit". Anyways, the man is the head according to the bible, not the woman. Did you not read that?

Did you not read the part where I said it is referring to submission in the spiritual sense?

Sorry, it's not self explanatory. You need to explain to me how this happens. How does one being take over another person's body. Again, you didn't explain the dna transfer from possessed human male to human female. Why does possession make a difference if it is still human dna being transferred?

Sorry, I don't have any lab results of controlled experiments of relations between a man possessed by a demon and a human female, and the effects on reproduction said half-demon would have on it. That's clearly what you're looking for, right?

Water flows to the lowest point, following a route of least resistance. In the area of the grand canyon, water followed a certain path for thousands, and maybe millions of years to finally eat away the rock and form what is now the grand canyon.

You ignored my post. If you're going to pester me on the last quote for not answering it, then I'm going to pester you. Look at the image I linked, and read my post over again. Explain to me how a river traveled the path of least resistance through a canyon which branches out like the roots of a tree? Explain to me how a river would have carved through the canyon when at one point it would have traveled upwards?

Good question. Now, why would a god do that? Matter of fact, why would an omnipotent god inseminate himself into a human, then sacrifice himself to himself in an attempt to fix things? Btw, when he inseminated himself into Mary, was he still in heaven as well, or did he disappear from heaven for a short time until he died, then came back alive and went back there again? BTW, I'm not saying all of these things really happened.

Do you know what the word inseminate means? Based off your question, I'd say you either don't, or you just didn't read the Bible you're arguing about so much.

It's good of you to question though. In short, it's because no one can enter into Heaven with sin. You'd need to be perfect, obviously which man is incapable of doing. Again, with the acceptance of Jesus and that he died for our sins, he'll dwell within you and after you die, it won't be the sinful flesh of ourselves you see here on Earth, instead, God would see his Son, the intercessor.

So if we do the crime, we should do the time. Sacrificing someone innocent as a substitution for a criminal is sickening. Sacrificing any innocent thing for someone else's crimes is sickening. It is barbaric and uncivilized.

Uh, that depends. If it was against their will, than yes, it would be. If someone came to me and said, "We have a murderer here, whose heart is failing.. we're going to take your son's heart and put it in him, so that he may live."
They wouldn't get a foot within his reach before I shot them. That's why man can't fulfill the sacrifice needed, even if they lived the perfect life. Jesus willfully went onto the cross.

We are guilty for what someone thousands of years ago did? How is that just? That is ridiculous. That's like me robbing a bank and hundreds of years later one of my ancestors is placed in prison and tortured for it for the rest of his life. Is that just? No, that is insane. If we don't deserve to be in heaven, then we just don't deserve it.

No, you are guilty for what you do everyday. I am guilty for what I do everyday.

The world had sin brought into it, but we are guilty not because of the sins of our fathers, but because of the sins we commit daily.

No one is good, not even one.

Originally posted by nixie_nox
There is nothing funnier when a Christian tries to use science to make a point and fail miserably.

I don't see you laughing.

This is a term made up by bible thumpers. Polystrate is not a geological term.
They are called upright fossils. They occurr when there is a rabid collection of layers, such as a around a volcanoe. You will also typically find these near the shore and rivers. No secret here.

Nicolaas Adrianus Rupke coined the term Polystrate, they are also known as upright fossils. But.. what's in a name?

Yes, they occur around volcanoes.. and in forests, and on islands, and in the US, and in England, and Germany, and France. The locations of these range all over. This is not evidence of some worldwide event that rapidly fossilized these trees?

You don't?? Where did you pull this idea from? Stop making stuff up.
Really, don't pull stuff out of your arse and hope it works. Google will give you millions of pieces of evidence of creatures falling on the sea floor and dying.

Umm, I actually cited my information, I didn't 'pull it out my arse'. If you actually wanted to prove a point, post some information from google, I'm sure you could find one out of the apparent "millions". Also, do you even know what I'm referring to? Did I deny creatures fall onto the sea floor and die? Uh, no. Apparently, though, it takes over 10,000 years for a fossil to form (as mentioned in this thread by someone else). Does a sea creature that die at the bottom of a lake going to sit there for 10,000 undisturbed???

And how would you explain the tar pits?

The Tar Pits are evidence for a worldwide flood as well, friend.

These are found all over the world, and there is no mystery hear either. rock layers crack, and an event liquifies rock that fills the hole. Its really very simple. the opposite also occurs, that layers of rock are worn down around a much harder layer of rock, then sediments start filling in and that intrustion is i a layer again. That is how you get an older intrusion into younger layers.

Umm.. I basically just said this. The problem in question is what said event was. I shouldn't have to repeat what I think it was.

Now I am embarrassed for you. You know rocks aren't all made of the same thing right? And different amounts of pressure have different effects on rocks? And it can take more then 80 million years to make them hard. It can take hundreds of years of pressure to change one rock into another. Diamonds take anywhere from 45 to 200 million years.

You realize sand laden sediments don't take that long to turn into sandstone, right? The one I mentioned was in a wet and plastic state when an earth movement caused them to be forced up into the (supposed much) "younger" sediments. That presents a serious problem for the evolutionary method of "dating" alone, but it also implies something is wrong with the millions-of-years mindset of the evolutionary theory itself.

That is because fossils ad seashells were formed on a seafloor, and along comes a continent and pushes against another, the land gets pushed up, forming mountains. The layers get pushed up.
These layers with sea life are found everywhere too.

Oh, how ironic. You agree that all the land on the face of this Earth was at one point under water, too? Glad we could come to an understanding.

The irony about all this is that you are trying to use geological evidence, which is trillions of years old, to prove that the earth us young. And that there is a world wide flood.
Which no, there is no evidence of. The hypocrisy of it is astounding.

No, you just choose to ignore the obvious evidence. Want geological evidence that point to a young Earth? Look at the clocks. Geological clocks, to be exact.

Originally posted by randyvs


Aoraki

I'm sorry, but there is absolutely no evidence for a global flood in the geological record.

Why does this seem to depend on who you are talking too?

Well of course it does: you can talk to 'bible thumpers' who rely on blind faith and they will say one thing with absolutely no corroborating evidence, or you can talk to geologists who use observation as a tool and they will say another thing based on fact. The evidence is just not there.

Originally posted by Lionhearte
Many events in the OT were spoken for certain people living in a different time..

Why aren't those laws good for us all the time, not just a certain time? 1000 years from now, will our laws not be good for the people of that time?

Originally posted by Lionhearte
That's the main problem here. You believe when it says to "submit" that it automatically makes a woman a slave? Used for what? Sex? Cooking? Cleaning? Don't confuse the Bible with the Koran, the later of which is very clear on what women are to men.. objects.

Having to submit to anyone, whether physically or spiritually, shows inequality. Next, you haven't addressed the husband being the head, not the wife. Why is that? Aren't they equal?

Originally posted by Lionhearte
Did you not read the part where I said it is referring to submission in the spiritual sense?

It doesn't matter, it still shows inequality.

Originally posted by Lionhearte
Sorry, I don't have any lab results of controlled experiments of relations between a man possessed by a demon and a human female, and the effects on reproduction said half-demon would have on it. That's clearly what you're looking for, right?

....or some kind of evidence. You don't have any proof that this is what happened, not even in the bible. I assume you're either getting this idea from Genesis 6 or The Book of Enoch. Which is it?

Originally posted by Lionhearte
You ignored my post. If you're going to pester me on the last quote for not answering it, then I'm going to pester you. Look at the image I linked, and read my post over again. Explain to me how a river traveled the path of least resistance through a canyon which branches out like the roots of a tree? Explain to me how a river would have carved through the canyon when at one point it would have traveled upwards?

I'll have to look more into this. Not sure where it would have flowed upwards. Working on the river, I understand how water flows to the lowest point following a lowest path of resistance.

Originally posted by Lionhearte
Do you know what the word inseminate means? Based off your question, I'd say you either don't, or you just didn't read the Bible you're arguing about so much.

Yes, I know what it means. Now explain how Jesus is in heaven one moment, then he is in Mary's womb as an embryo the next. Did he disappear from heaven when he did this?

Originally posted by Lionhearte
No, you are guilty for what you do everyday. I am guilty for what I do everyday.

And what if one does nothing wrong?

Originally posted by LionhearteNo one is good, not even one.

I thought Jesus was good. Not even one would include him.

reply to post by mikesk8s247

It is known that the Blessed Virgin Mary came to the world to give us the Rosary as a prayer guide in this world. Read up on the Secrets of Fatima, and the 3 days of Darkness.

I think it is MUCH MORE IMPORTANT to read up on the Holy Bible - which is the inspired Word of GOD, don't you ?Find out what Jesus says about HIMself. HE doesn't say one single thing about Mary coming back - or the rosary as a prayer guide. Jesus HIMself IS OUR PRAYER GUIDE, APPROVED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT.

Jesus says that HE is the ONLY WAY TO GET TO HEAVEN Man made beads will not help you at all. You are worshiping the created NOT the creator. That is false doctrine.