What Christ says about Evolution

Originally posted by mikesk8s247
And what do the ocean and the trees give us? They give man life, they give poets inspiration, they provide a source of income for men in the industry of either of these. It is so sad that you do not see the blessings of the simple necessities of life. Is your soul satisfied with your bleak view of "live in slavery then die"? Because mine isn't, it highlights the wonders of God.

Sure these wonders give man inspiration. Again, why does that mean a god must exist?

I love life. It is precious. Imo, it is the only life I have, which makes it even more valuable.

If I have an after life, this life is less precious and the after life is more valuable.

Originally posted by NowanKenubi
God did create everything, so it holds true!

Cool, now prove that a god exists. And show which god it is. Does it just happen to be the god YOU believe in? Lucky you?

Originally posted by 1king2rulethemall
reply to post by mikesk8s247

 

I wouldn't put too much faith in what that lady claims to have heard from Jesus. The statements that she was visited by "Mary" is a dead give away that things are askew. If you read the "Christian" Bible, you will understand what becomes of people when they die. NO-ONE COMES BACK TO VISIT

Only Jesus has risen from the dead.

The Bible says that the only one to ascend to heaven, was HE who descended from heaven. (Jesus Christ)
Your lady friend also claims that "Mary" ascended to heaven.

Her writings contradict The Holy Bible.

edit on 20-11-2011 by 1king2rulethemall because: (no reason given)

Uh, the protestants left out a few books and sola scriptura is unscriptural. Mary was assumed into heaven. Even Martin Luther believed this.

Originally posted by 547000
Uh, the protestants left out a few books and sola scriptura is unscriptural. Mary was assumed into heaven. Even Martin Luther believed this.

edit on 20-11-2011 by 547000 because: (no reason given)

The catholics are missing a few books that the Ethiopian christians have in their bibles.

Looks like another member of the bible brigade joined ATS.

Jesus, save me from your followers.

reply to post by mikesk8s247


OP, you must understand a couple things: This lady, although claims to speak the truth, claims to be from the Father, and only one came from the Father; Jesus Christ. She is using argument from authority to simply support the disprove the claims of evolution more, but unless it came from within the Bible itself, we can't accept it as words of Christ himself.

Remember, even the High Priests claimed their Father was the God of Abraham, but Jesus turned around and said, no, their Father was the Devil.

Originally posted by HangTheTraitors
Ya know, its really hard to take serious a book about a cast of characters including a TALKING SNAKE,

a TALKING DONKEY,

a dirt-made-man,

a rib-made-woman,

Unicorns,

a man living in a FISHES BELLY,

a Senior citizen who single-handedly built a ship by himself with his own decrepit old and weak arms to house a pair of every animal on the planet to travel over a flooded earth for 40 days and nights without FOOD or a TOILET.

AND over a flooded earth, YET records in Egypt continued... UNDISTURBED at the time!!!

AMAZING STUFF!!!

Then theres that women who turned into a pillar of salt for looking backwards, a women who was impregenated by a... GHOST!!!

...and ON and ON and ON...

Come on!!

Easy with the "", it's hard to take YOU seriously when all you do is

The talking "snake", was Satan, whom tempted Eve.
The talking donkey, was the Lord, whom opened his mouth to speak.
Dirt-made man.. It's interesting how Man's body and the soil of the Earth contain many of the same minerals.
Rib-made woman.. Woman from Man, made with apart of us, making us equals. And no, Man isn't missing a rib less than woman.
Unicorns.. A description of a beast with a horn.. a Rhino
A man living in a Fish's belly.. It was considered a whale.
Senior citizen builds the Ark.. His family helped too, his sons, well capable of building a ship.. and it took a HUNDRED years to build it.
Pair of every animal on the planet.. No, just those in the area. There aren't even BILLIONS of Species as some would claim, just around 10,000 'species' of land animals, some thousand of birds, and possibly millions of insects.. but insects could survive the flood easily.
No food.. They had food for themselves, and the Animals could have hibernated..
No toilet.. I'm sure Abraham stopped by Lowes first to pick up a shiny new toilet. Oh by the way, they were on a ship..
Flooded Earth.. yep, which formed things like our Grand Canyon, which the Havasupai Indians have stories about a great flood.. one of over hundreds of different cultures that share the same story.. a flooded Earth.
Records in Egypt continued.. That was after the flood, friend.
Woman turned into a Pillar of Salt.. The event that destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah was volcanic in nature. Salt deposits are found in the area nearby, and it does not say she turned immediate.. nor that it was a miracle, just something that had happened. She perished, because she looked back, and likely stayed behind the group (or lagged behind). The volcanic ash could have killed her, and salt then covered her up over time..

Virgin Birth.. the miracle of Jesus' birth.. there's no science behind it, just simply a miracle.. but with your apparent lack of belief shown already, you likely wouldn't believe in it even if there was scientific evidence for it.

Sorry friend, don't know what to tell you.

The works of Maria Valtorta have been condemned by the Catholic Church.
When there was a banned reading list .. her stuff was on it.
I have read her entire 'Poem of the Man God' series ...
A lot of it is in direct contradition to the gospel.

P.S. To the OP .. Jesus didn't say ANY of what you posted.
The title of this thread is dead wrong.

Originally posted by Lionhearte
The talking "snake", was Satan, whom tempted Eve.

So Eve didn't find it odd that a snake was talking to her? What a 'tard.

Originally posted by Lionhearte
The talking donkey, was the Lord, whom opened his mouth to speak.

You said it, not me.

Originally posted by Lionhearte
Rib-made woman.. Woman from Man, made with apart of us, making us equals. And no, Man isn't missing a rib less than woman.

That's strange. The bible clearly shows that women are not equal to men. There are many stories showing that daughters are property of fathers and can be sold.

Originally posted by Lionhearte
Unicorns.. A description of a beast with a horn.. a Rhino

The bible is inspired by god? Interesting that he didn't call it a Rhino then, instead of a Unicorn.

Originally posted by Lionhearte
A man living in a Fish's belly.. It was considered a whale.

Still is stupid.

Originally posted by Lionhearte
Senior citizen builds the Ark.. His family helped too, his sons, well capable of building a ship.. and it took a HUNDRED years to build it.

The whole story doesn't make sense. If god wanted people dead, why not just snap his fingers and kill them? The flood didn't accomplish anything. If it was to kill the Nephilim, they lived. If it was to destroy evil man, evil man still exists.

Originally posted by Lionhearte
Pair of every animal on the planet.. No, just those in the area. There aren't even BILLIONS of Species as some would claim, just around 10,000 'species' of land animals, some thousand of birds, and possibly millions of insects.. but insects could survive the flood easily.

How did the vegetation survive? How did the people on the ark live as there was no vegetation to give them oxygen being that the earth was completely covered with water for about 5 months? Again, how did vegetation live after that amount of time under water? Now, if you're going with a local flood here, Noah worked on this ark for 100 years? That's plenty of time to move him, his family, and the animals out of the flood zone, now there's no need to build an ark. Dumb plan.

Originally posted by Lionhearte
Flooded Earth.. yep, which formed things like our Grand Canyon, which the Havasupai Indians have stories about a great flood.. one of over hundreds of different cultures that share the same story.. a flooded Earth.

Have you seen a bird's eye view of the Grand Canyon? If not, please look, then tell me how a flood carved an extremely winding river into solid rock in just a few months time.

Originally posted by Lionhearte
The event that destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah was volcanic in nature.

Again this god uses natural events to destroy something? Maybe natural events occurred and people attributed it to a god?

Originally posted by Lionhearte
Virgin Birth.. the miracle of Jesus' birth.. there's no science behind it, just simply a miracle.. but with your apparent lack of belief shown already, you likely wouldn't believe in it even if there was scientific evidence for it.

We can do this now. It's not a miracle.

Originally posted by Hydroman

Originally posted by 547000
Uh, the protestants left out a few books and sola scriptura is unscriptural. Mary was assumed into heaven. Even Martin Luther believed this.

edit on 20-11-2011 by 547000 because: (no reason given)

The catholics are missing a few books that the Ethiopian christians have in their bibles.

.

Yes, but how do you explain things like the events at Fatima where a massive group experienced the same phenomenon. Only the catholic church has first class miracles.

Originally posted by Hydroman

So Eve didn't find it odd that a snake was talking to her? What a 'tard.
I'm not her, how could I answer that?
You said it, not me.
Uh, yea. Obviously it was I who said it. Your point?

That's strange. The bible clearly shows that women are not equal to men. There are many stories showing that daughters are property of fathers and can be sold.

Did you ignore these when you thoroughly researched the Bible?

The bible is inspired by god? Interesting that he didn't call it a Rhino then, instead of a Unicorn.

Inspired by != written by
Also, I just said "probably", if you want to go into it, the word used, rĕ'em, could have mean the great aurochs or wild bulls, which are now extinct.

Still is stupid.

Okay?

The whole story doesn't make sense. If god wanted people dead, why not just snap his fingers and kill them? The flood didn't accomplish anything. If it was to kill the Nephilim, they lived. If it was to destroy evil man, evil man still exists.

It makes sense to me. I don't think God 'wanted' people dead, but I don't think you understand how God works in the first place, which I'll talk about in the next quote. The people breeded with Nephilim, which is why you find skeletons of giants and/or 6 fingered men, or any other atrocities of man. I don't see many of them alive today.

How did the vegetation survive? How did the people on the ark live as there was no vegetation to give them oxygen being that the earth was completely covered with water for about 5 months? Again, how did vegetation live after that amount of time under water?

There are many sound reasons.

1) Many seeds can survive long periods of soaking in various concentrations of salt water. (G.F. Howe, “Seed Germination, Sea Water, and Plant Survival in the Great Flood,” Creation Research Quarterly, 1968, 5:105-112. Ironically, Charles Darwin similarly proved that seeds could survive months of soaking in sea water.)

2) Other plants could've survived in floating vegetation masses, or on pumice from the volcanic activity.

3) Pieces of many plants are still capable of asexual sprouting.

4) Many plants could have survived as planned food stores on Noah's Ark, or accidental inclusions in such food stores (Gen 6:21)

5) Many seeds have devices for attaching themselves to animals.. and some could have survived this way. Others could have survived in the stomachs of the bloated, floating carcasses of dead herbivores.

The olive leaf brought back to Noah by the dove in Gen 8:11 shows that plants were regenerating well before Noah and his family/animals left the ark.

There are many simple, plausible explanations for how plants could have survived the flood.. I ask you to give me a reason to DOUBT the reality of the flood, as described in the Bible.

Now, if you're going with a local flood here, Noah worked on this ark for 100 years? That's plenty of time to move him, his family, and the animals out of the flood zone, now there's no need to build an ark. Dumb plan.

Well, I'm NOT going with a local flood, so no need for a response here.

Have you seen a bird's eye view of the Grand Canyon? If not, please look, then tell me how a flood carved an extremely winding river into solid rock in just a few months time.

Have YOU seen the Grand Canyon? Have you ever visited it? I've been there multiple times, as I live in Southern California and could get there and back in a weekend. There are videos shown there that explain how it was formed.. or how they think.

Now, if YOU claim to have seen a bird's eye view of the Grand Canyon, you would recognize these..


Take a good look. The Canyon branches out EVERYWHERE. It's almost like roots, of a tree, in how they spread out from the river.. now tell me, if it was a river that carved it, why is there no water running into the canyons that branch out from the sides?

At one point, the river would have had to travel UP to continue it's path.. if you claim water traveled up, then you'd have some explaining to do..

Again this god uses natural events to destroy something? Maybe natural events occurred and people attributed it to a god?

As I said above, you don't know how God works. The miracles performed by Jesus could be considered unnatural, miracles. When the wind blows, God controls that as much as he controlled the flood, or the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. The universe was designed with the knowledge of the end in sight.. and everything in between. God set it up knowing all that would happen.

We can do this now. It's not a miracle.

Oh, we can?

Christ sayeth: I am the gate.

www.disclose.tv...

bible.cc...

bible.cc...

This thread is about evolution...but just to make this perfectly clear: THERE WAS NEVER A GLOBAL FLOOD!

There's ZERO geological evidence for one, and all those cultures are describing LOCAL floods. Hell, those cultures didn't even live around the same time period, so they couldn't have been talking about the same flood. And of course it makes no biological sense because every single animal on board that doesn't eat plants would have eaten another member of animal on board

Originally posted by Lionhearte
Uh, yea. Obviously it was I who said it. Your point?

My point was that you said god was a talking donkey. Or at least that's what it looked like.

Originally posted by Lionhearte
Did you ignore these when you thoroughly researched the Bible?

Yes, so which ones do you go by? The ones that show women aren't equal, or the ones that do? Contradictions?

"But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God." (I Corinthians 11:3)

"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." (I Corinthians 14: 34-35)

"I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting. In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety." (I Timothy 2: 8-15)

Ephesians 5 and Colossians 3 says that husbands are the head of the wife and for wives to submit to the husband. That's not equal.

Originally posted by Lionhearte
I don't think God 'wanted' people dead, but I don't think you understand how God works in the first place, which I'll talk about in the next quote. The people breeded with Nephilim, which is why you find skeletons of giants and/or 6 fingered men, or any other atrocities of man. I don't see many of them alive today.

He didn't want people dead? Why flood the earth and kill them? You're right, I don't understand how god works. Do you think you do? Show me where giants were found that hasn't been debunked. Yes, there are 6 fingered people. There are also people with 4 arms, some with two heads, etc. These are called birth defects, or failed splitting of embryos, etc. You say that you don't see many of them alive today, so that means that there are some? The almighty god's plan to kill them didn't work? Oh noes!

Originally posted by Lionhearte
The olive leaf brought back to Noah by the dove in Gen 8:11 shows that plants were regenerating well before Noah and his family/animals left the ark.

After showing all the possible ways that plants could have survived, you then say this. An olive tree had grown enough already to sprout leaves?

Originally posted by Lionhearte
There are many simple, plausible explanations for how plants could have survived the flood.. I ask you to give me a reason to DOUBT the reality of the flood, as described in the Bible.

No evidence for a world wide flood would be for starters.

Originally posted by Lionhearte
Have YOU seen the Grand Canyon? Have you ever visited it? I've been there multiple times, as I live in Southern California and could get there and back in a weekend. There are videos shown there that explain how it was formed.. or how they think.

Focus on the last statement you made. That's how they think because they are reading a book and trying to make it fit it.

....and yes, we can get a virgin pregnant. It's called artificial insemination.

Originally posted by 547000
Yes, but how do you explain things like the events at Fatima where a massive group experienced the same phenomenon. Only the catholic church has first class miracles.

Explain this Fatima miracle please.

reply to post by mikesk8s247


I was just saying to myself the other day, If we evolved from primates, why then did they stop evolving. Should'nt there be cromagnon type people walking about or being studied? I have not read the whole thread, but I had to put my two cents in.

PLPL

Originally posted by Lionhearte
The people breeded with Nephilim, which is why you find skeletons of giants and/or 6 fingered men, or any other atrocities of man.

Explain to me what you think a Nephilim is, and how it got here.

Originally posted by Minori
I was just saying to myself the other day, If we evolved from primates, why then did they stop evolving. Should'nt there be cromagnon type people walking about or being studied? I have not read the whole thread, but I had to put my two cents in.

Who says we stopped evolving? We are evolving right now, slowly mind you.

Originally posted by MrXYZ
There's ZERO geological evidence for one

Sorry, but you're wrong.

1) Polystrate Fossils. They're found all over the world. They usually consist of fossil trees that were buried upright, which often traverse multiple layers of strata, such as sandstone, limestone, shale, and even coal beds. They range in size from small rootlets to trees over 80 feet long.

One example, at Joggins, Nova Scotia, polystrate tree (and root) fossiles are found at different intervals throughout roughly 2,500 feet of strata. Many of these are from 10-20 feet long, and at least one was 40 feet long.

2) The fossils themselves. Fossils don't form on lake bottoms today, nor are they found forming on the bottom of the sea. They normally only form when a plant or animal is buried soon after it dies. Therefore, fossils themselves are evidence of a catastrophe such as a flood that took place in the past. You should also look into Rapid Petrification of Wood by Andrew Snelling.

3) Clastic Dikes. These are basically a cross cutting body of sedimentary material which has been intruded into a foreign rock mass. They may occur in horizontal sedimentary strata or in igneous and metamorphic rocks.. think of the process like when you go to the beach and step in wet sand, and it forms into the crevices of your toes, obviously though, on a much larger scale.

They present a problem to the "mythions of years" mindset of evolution in that massive "older" sediments are found intruding up into overlying, younger strata. This must have occurred while the "older" sediments were still in a plastic state, right?

If so, then what took the "older" sediments so long to become hard? One would think that a million years would be more than enough time to turn massive sand laden sediments into sandstone.. yet they have examples of sediments which are said to be 80 million years older than those above them, and yet they still had not become hard? Seriously?

4) Mt. St. Helens. (This is more evidence for a young Earth) Three separate eruptions produced sedimentary-type layers hundreds of feet thick. One was a hurricane velocity deposit which produced thousands of thin laminations up to 25 feet thick. The third eruption was a lava flow, turned into hot mud-flow as it crossed the Toutle River.. This hot mud flow not only diverted the river, but carved a 17 mile long series of canyons (up to 140 feet deep) in a matter of hours. It's called the Little Grand Canyon of the Toutle River.

5) Marine Fossils in the Mountains. You can find evidence of these all over.. including in the Sierras, the Swiss Alps, the Himalayas, and many more.

I'll stop here, but there are many more, solid, and irrefutable pieces of evidence that show there was indeed a worldwide flood.

reply to post by Hydroman


I agree with you. I think this wave of evolving is more mental/spiritual. I was refering to appearance. By now there would be living proof of this type of evolution. It is believed that monkeys were around in 1200 BC. Surely there would be a good example of physically evolving primates by now.

So.....why did they stop evolving???

reply to post by Lionhearte

Your evidences for world wide floods could also be evidence for local floods, or disasters such as meteor strikes causing tsunamis, or magnetic pole shifts, etc. How do you know that it was a world wide flood caused by a god that did those things?