Police officer pepper-sprays seated, non-violent students at UC Davis

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox

None. As you can see from this very thread - amid others - Americans get off on fascism and the abuse of people they disagree with.

They really do?

What happened over there?

Originally posted by Acidtastic

Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by Acidtastic

Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by Acidtastic
nope, it'd still be your fault for punching me. if you are WILLING to use force against peaceful people, thenyou are scum. It's as plain as that. it's the difference between right and wrong. Again, something you just do not get.

Cause and affect.

Not right and wrong. I clearly defined this, and you either willfully marched on with your retort wrapped in your own conversation.

Call it what you want. using physical force against peaceful people is wrong. Full stop.

You are avoiding my statement.
Please answer it, instead of making up your own conversation.

The bit of post i was answering to, was the bit where you said something like ....if I say move or I punch you and I stay still, then I deserve it..... Which shows what type of person you are, Just becuase people do not automatically worship pig law does not give them the right to use physical violence against them. What some poxy handbook says, or some dirty filthy sergeant says is irrelevant. Violence is wrong. It has everything to do with right and wrong. It's not me skirting the issue.

edit on 21/11/2011 by Acidtastic because: (no reason given)

Blah blah blah. More "Pig" this and "Pig" that.
Know what they say about people with limited vocabulary???

Ah, never mind, you will just gloss over that as well and blabber about something else.

So Violence is wrong, except for payback?
Stay in Europe, the US does not need you.

Simple cause and affect.
If I say move or I will move you, don't get mad when I move you.

But, banter on with the "Pig" comments, it seems to suit you.

reply to post by blupblup


People are mad that things aren't being handed to them on a silver platter and the easy target is banks and companies.

Stay in the US then, becasue the rest of the world doesn't need you

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by blupblup

 

People are mad that things aren't being handed to them on a silver platter and the easy target is banks and companies.

Again, showing just how clueless you are. Well done, bravo.

And I'll stop it with the pig talk, when police stop acting like surplus human scum.

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No no, I meant why is Fascism so popular there now and why are people cheering the police on as they brutalise innocent, unarmed protesters.

Whether you agree with the cause or not, nobody in their right mind can honestly agree with the police's treatment of peaceful protesters.

We've had War Vets attacked, 84 year old woman pepper sprayed....the list is pretty long now.


I thought the US was all "I may not agree with what you say but i'll defend to the death your right to say it"

I'm seeing very little of that.

Looks like some kind of crazy, fundamentalist police state right now.... with crazed loonies screaming for the blood of innocent protesters.

Originally posted by Acidtastic
Stay in the US then, becasue the rest of the world doesn't need you

I would love to.
The US military should not be dying for your freedoms or anyone else outside the US.

Originally posted by blupblup
reply to post by macman

 

No no, I meant why is Fascism so popular there now and why are people cheering the police on as they brutalise innocent, unarmed protesters.

Whether you agree with the cause or not, nobody in their right mind can honestly agree with the police's treatment of peaceful protesters.

We've had War Vets attacked, 84 year old woman pepper sprayed....the list is pretty long now.


I thought the US was all "I may not agree with what you say but i'll defend to the death your right to say it"

I'm seeing very little of that.

Looks like some kind of crazy, fundamentalist police state right now.... with crazed loonies screaming for the blood of innocent protesters.

There are few that are cheering on the actions of the police.
I am not filled with glee over this, but I understand how and why this process comes to pass.

Why has Fascism come to be?
Because people here are trading safety (economic and physical) over personal freedom and wanting the Govt to solve every problem and provide every want.

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Sure sure.

Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by Acidtastic
Stay in the US then, becasue the rest of the world doesn't need you

I would love to.
The US military should not be dying for your freedoms or anyone else outside the US.

That's the second time you've said something that I agree with!! I just wish the people in the militaries would just pack up and come back. It takes people to carry out attrocities, as soon as they larn to say no, then the attrocities can stop.

Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by Riffrafter
reply to post by macman

 

Right to peaceably assemble, and the fact that the right is to protest and not to affect others of the protest on Public Property.

1773 just called. The British would like you to come to Boston and talk some sense into those damn colonists throwing all that fine tea into the harbor....

edit on 11/21/2011 by Riffrafter because: (no reason given)

Now you are comparing OWS to the likes of say the Continental Congress, or the signers of the Declaration of Independence????

Now I know you are joking.


Ok, ok. So what is the punchline?

It appears you have a reading comprehension issue.

I was comparing the OWS protesters to the fine folks who threw all of the tea in the Boston Harbor at what is commonly referred to as The Boston Tea Party.

Or do you think Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Hancock et al were also dressed as Indians and participated in that fun filled event?

Dude...you're losing it.

Center for the Study of Human Rights in the Americas

The UC Davis Center for the Study of Human Rights in the Americas (CSHRA) is an academic initiative for the comprehensive study of human rights across the American continent. Its mission is to gather information about human rights in our hemisphere, interpret it from interdisciplinary perspectives, develop appropriate legal instruments, create relevant curricula, and enhance human rights in the Americas through enlightened action.

Emphasis mine.

"Enlightened Action" you mean like...pepper spraying students for exercising their constitutional rights.

I find it interesting that UC Davis received a generous grant from the UC Davis Committee on Research to study human rights. From the web site it appears they're really concerned with torture and human rights violations in Guantánamo but not so much on their own campus.

UC Davis's mission to enhance human rights through enlightened action is a total fail and a load of crap. Actions speak louder than self promotion I'm afraid.

reply to post by Riffrafter


No, I was taking the argument to the next logical step.
The Tea Party brought about what I mentioned, thus the next step was revolutionary war, which is being called for by many OWS people.


But, no, OWS is not the Boston Tea Party.

That is another joke, right?

Originally posted by Morningglory
Center for the Study of Human Rights in the Americas

The UC Davis Center for the Study of Human Rights in the Americas (CSHRA) is an academic initiative for the comprehensive study of human rights across the American continent. Its mission is to gather information about human rights in our hemisphere, interpret it from interdisciplinary perspectives, develop appropriate legal instruments, create relevant curricula, and enhance human rights in the Americas through enlightened action.

Emphasis mine.

"Enlightened Action" you mean like...pepper spraying students for exercising their constitutional rights.

I find it interesting that UC Davis received a generous grant from the UC Davis Committee on Research to study human rights. From the web site it appears they're really concerned with torture and human rights violations in Guantánamo but not so much on their own campus.

UC Davis's mission to enhance human rights through enlightened action is a total fail and a load of crap. Actions speak louder than self promotion I'm afraid.

A department within the school does not define the rules and laws that run the police department.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow

Sad how the mighty have fallen. Once police were a force for good and the saftey of people to protect and serve as it were, now it is more [(to conquor and enslave) decepticon motto] the police are becoming NAZI'S in nearly all respects don't do what they say pepper spray, think for yourself pepper spray, don't bow to there assumed superioity pepper spray. How long will it be till the police start publicly killing people who stand up for the rights and freedom and saftey of everyone and then what will they do install preverbial gas chamers in the drunk tank so even those with the smallest crimes will painfully die. America and all other countrys need to stand up and not take it anymore you cannot win a war with words alone this may sound bad but it is the only way im all for peace but peace and diplomacy can only do so much. What america needs is a second civil war this time not over slavery and not be seperated by north and south but by those who have had enough against those with the power we will not lose a fight like this on a global scale because united we are strong and can defeat anything just look at somalia they have the world biggest ptrate organization and why do they jack ships? they do it so there people can live longer they do this to survive because there government can't help them so we send in people to kill the pirates so that the rich companys don't lose profit it would not be a big deal to lose some goods. Im cruising off topic now what the police did to these kids and what they are doing in Oakland is wrong and they shall pay dearly before the judgement seat of god, peace be with you ATS till we meet again.

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by Riffrafter

 

No, I was taking the argument to the next logical step.
The Tea Party brought about what I mentioned, thus the next step was revolutionary war, which is being called for by many OWS people.


But, no, OWS is not the Boston Tea Party.

That is another joke, right?

Do you think we would have had a US of A without protests?

Do you think we would have had women's suffrage giving them the right to vote without protests?

Do you think we would have had the Civil Rights act without protests?

Do you think....ah...never mind....

Let's just agree to disagree Mac. Because you will never win this argument. Not now...not a year from now....not 100 years from now.

What those cops did was flat-out wrong and no amount of spinning can change the power of that video. Watch and see...it's only just beginning.

reply to post by Riffrafter


Those examples were protests.
OWS is not.

Those protests were for rights of people.
OWS is not.

The Boston Tea Party has nothing to do with OWS.

What the LEO did falls within the guidelines and rules set forth.
Regardless if you think, feel or believe it to be wrong, it has been deemed to be the justified action by the Department, Campus and Governing Body.

Casually Pepperspray Cop Photoshopping

reply to post by macman


agreed.... Everyday it seems that there is an OWS story with "martyrs" "Standing" up to the police... in other words just being those punk kids causing trouble outside of Taco Bell.. But doing it in force...

good show!

And BTW all those people who are threatening the police with "If I was there"

you weren't there you are on the internet... Don't say you'll do something and don't... It makes you seem like an OWS protester.

reply to post by DrNotforhire


The use of Hero has been bastardized and the use of victim as well.

What a joke.