Riot Police batter Iraq war vet (rupture his spleen) - Caught on camera

www.guardian.co.uk...

It just gets worse and worse - these armed, uniformed cowards who are defending the corporations think very little of beating up journalists, old women, war vets, students, protesters and the hundreds of other types of people who are lawfully demonstrating their right to protest.

The link included contains a video.

It contains bad language and can be considered quite shocking. (Unless of course you actively enjoy seeing unarmed people beaten up).

Protester and three-tour American veteran Kayvan Sabehgi was beaten by Oakland police during the Occupy protest's general strike on 2 November. Sabehgi, who was 'completely peaceful', according to witnesses, was left with a lacerated spleen

Kudos to the lady at the end and the camera guy.

'Are you going to shoot me whilst i'm filming you?'

'Did any of you want to deliberately hurt the war vet?'

Originally posted by mr-lizard
'Did any of you want to deliberately hurt the war vet?'

Yes. Or they wouldn't be pigs to begin with. It takes a certain type of "Richard Cranium" to be a LEO IMHO.

I'm sorry but that "dude" got treated correctly by what is considered to be robust policing.

He was told to move several times and remained defiant. What did he expect was going to happen?
Did he think he was going to be handed a bunch of flowers, a handshake and a "it's ok friend, we're only playing" apology from the Police!

If he wasn't doing what he was doing the incident wouldn't have happened. No point crying after the event.

Originally posted by studio500
I'm sorry but that "dude" got treated correctly by what is considered to be robust policing.

He was told to move several times and remained defiant. What did he expect was going to happen?
Did he think he was going to be handed a bunch of flowers, a handshake and a "it's ok friend, we're only playing" apology from the Police!

If he wasn't doing what he was doing the incident wouldn't have happened. No point crying after the event.

What a crock of $

You know... this was once a free nation... no one is deserving of getting beaten for standing still in a public place

I had heard the story but hadn't seen the video. How can this be happening? I know he disobeyed and didn't move when he was repeatedly told but that one cop he didn't even try to arrest him none of them did...wtf. Can we hear from some ATS cops on this? The story goes on to include that he was further beaten and left in jail for 24 hours while others in the jail yelled for medical attention and were ignored. Later he was placed in critical condition with a ruptured spleen. I can't believe this happens in America.

Originally posted by studio500
If he wasn't doing what he was doing the incident wouldn't have happened. No point crying after the event.

So when the first cop gets killed (and you know it's coming) we can just say " If he wasn't doing what he was doing the incident wouldn't have happened. No point crying after the event."

Good. I'll remember to say that when it does happen.

Originally posted by studio500
I'm sorry but that "dude" got treated correctly by what is considered to be robust policing.

He was told to move several times and remained defiant. What did he expect was going to happen?
Did he think he was going to be handed a bunch of flowers, a handshake and a "it's ok friend, we're only playing" apology from the Police!

If he wasn't doing what he was doing the incident wouldn't have happened. No point crying after the event.

Hi, here's the definition of protesting:

pro·test (pr-tst, pr-, prtst)
v. pro·test·ed, pro·test·ing, pro·tests
v.tr.
1. To object to, especially in a formal statement. See Synonyms at object.
2. To promise or affirm with earnest solemnity: "He continually protested his profound respect" (Frank Norris).
3. Law To declare (a bill) dishonored or refused.
4. Archaic To proclaim or make known: "unrough youths that even now/Protest their first of manhood" (Shakespeare).
v.intr.
1. To express strong objection.
2. To make an earnest avowal or affirmation.

To remain defiant to orders or object to the demands of these police.

The opposite to protesting is acceptance, I think this is where you are getting confused.

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Also, why didn't the police just move him away, lead him off by his arms or something? Did they really need to beat him up?

Originally posted by Kali74
I had heard the story but hadn't seen the video. How can this be happening? I know he disobeyed and didn't move when he was repeatedly told but that one cop he didn't even try to arrest him none of them did...wtf. Can we hear from some ATS cops on this? The story goes on to include that he was further beaten and left in jail for 24 hours while others in the jail yelled for medical attention and were ignored. Later he was placed in critical condition with a ruptured spleen. I can't believe this happens in America.

That's disgusting. USA is looking more like the Middle east / China day by day. The only difference is - is that when other countries protest, soldiers are sent in to help the rebels.

I thought a policeman was under a legal obligation to provide first aid for any injured person in custody?

Originally posted by studio500
I'm sorry but that "dude" got treated correctly by what is considered to be robust policing.

He was told to move several times and remained defiant. What did he expect was going to happen?
Did he think he was going to be handed a bunch of flowers, a handshake and a "it's ok friend, we're only playing" apology from the Police!

If he wasn't doing what he was doing the incident wouldn't have happened. No point crying after the event.

I knew someone would do it.

I don't know which makes me more sad, the act or the justification. All they had to do was turn him around and put the cuffs on him. If he resisted, knock him down and put the cuffs on him. There's about 50 things that should have happened before the baton was even threatened.

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You have got to be kidding me. I am supposed to feel sorry for him? He did all but spit in their face! Notice he is entirely ALONE? No one else had the lack of good sense to actually try and stand nose to nose with their police line and actively resist.

Now, if our fearless friend here were doing it in a city where there was 0 history of police using violent force, I may be shocked and speechless over how this turned out. No, instead, he chooses the behavior MOST LIKELY to get him hurt in the city above all others in the United States MOST LIKELY to se a police line of control put the sticks to him.

What I see in that video is called instigating an event and your vet there is the instigator. There have most definitely been cases of entirely unprovoked police abuse and excess. THIS thread isn't showing one of them, IMHO.

OWS sure is bringing to the forefront the abuses handed out by these cowardly thugs that hide behind their shiny little badges. So what if the protester was told to move? That order to vacate was in contradiction to the right to peaceful assembly; that is unless someone wants to point me in the direction of the footnotes of the US constitution...you know...the part that spells out what, when, where, and how long peaceful assembly is allowed.

S&F

EDIT: Furthermore, if this protester was breaking the law, then where was the order from police directing him to get on the ground and place his hands behind his back? Did anyone hear his Miranda rights read aloud before that POS cop decided to be judge, jury and executioner?

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by mr-lizard

 

You have got to be kidding me. I am supposed to feel sorry for him? He did all but spit in their face! Notice he is entirely ALONE? No one else had the lack of good sense to actually try and stand nose to nose with their police line and actively resist.

Not kidding I'm afraid. He didn't spit in their faces.
He sounds much braver than you.

Now, if our fearless friend here were doing it in a city where there was 0 history of police using violent force, I may be shocked and speechless over how this turned out. No, instead, he chooses the behavior MOST LIKELY to get him hurt in the city above all others in the United States MOST LIKELY to se a police line of control put the sticks to him.

So you admit the NYPD are violent bastards?

What I see in that video is called instigating an event and your vet there is the instigator. There have most definitely been cases of entirely unprovoked police abuse and excess. THIS thread isn't showing one of them, IMHO.

Public street. Why shouldn't he be there?

reply to post by studio500


You really believe peaceful people should be beaten because some person with a badge yelled at them to move?

You really want to live in a world where violence is one of the first resorts used by our Police Officers?

You don't see what is inherently wrong with beating people for voicing their opinion?

You don't have a problem with bending over, shutting up and sitting still while psychopaths systematically destroy the liberties and freedoms we were granted, first as human beings and second as Americans?

Really?

Well, I suppose that's okay, if that is your wish.
But I promise, I will never let someone beat the $#!t out of you if you ever decide to peacefully speak up for your opinion. Even if you decide to peacefully speak up in a manner that happens to break asinine 'rules.'

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


Maybe they spit in his face??

He has the right to be there... cops are not required to be there...

First they tell him to "get the F outa here" then they tell him to get down on the ground.... which is it?

He did nothing wrong, except for stand up for what he believes in... Id be willing to bet you wouldnt stand up for what you believe in like he did

Two wrongs here:

He disobeyed a police order. That was the first mistake.

The police officer should have arrested him, not beat him with a baton. That was aggravated assault and certainly violated proper procedure.

I predict lawsuit and suspension.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by mr-lizard

 

Notice he is entirely ALONE? No one else had the lack of good sense to actually try and stand nose to nose with their police line and actively resist.

Yeah, what a stupid coward...

I blame the idiot, he was basically asking for it.
According to him, he had "no place to move" which is why he didn't move when asked
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reply to post by Wrabbit2000

What I see in that video is called instigating an event and your vet there is the instigator. There have most definitely been cases of entirely unprovoked police abuse and excess. THIS thread isn't showing one of them, IMHO.

Wait. Let me make sure I'm understanding your logic.

Because the protestor should have assumed the police would illegally remove his ability to protest, a first amendment right, and then commit acts of police brutality, he shouldn't have been there at all?

you can't be serious. I've seen you, and your gang, try to belittle and smear these guys, and I've seen you try to justify what the police are doing, but that logic is not only pure BS, it's 100% anti-american.

If the police attempted to arrest him, and he resisted, club the crap out of him, that's legal, to an extent. He was not under arrest, the officer was not trying to detain him, the officer attacked him, clubbing him in the leg several times BEFORE telling him to get on the ground, which I assume he wanted so he could apply ziptie cuffs and detail the guy.

In your twisted little world the ends might justify the means, but in most of our worlds, that's a load of crap.

Well, the British probably don't want to give America up and let it be free, so if we try to rebel, they'd probably fight back and possibly commit war crimes, so lets just not get involved.

Don't get me wrong, the guy could very well be a dick, I don't know him, neither do you. All we can go by is the little bit of video provided. Yes, we don't know what happened in the minutes leading up to the event, but we can clearly see how it went down.

Protestor standing in the street. Police line starts chanting, slamming their shields (it's a fear tactic that dates back to the romans) and moving towards him, he backs up. they move, he backs up, they move, he backs up. a single officer steps infront of the police line, comes towards the protestor and starts screaming for him to leave. Which, according to the first amendment, he doesn't have to.

This angers the officer as all peasants are supposed to immediately come to heel when they bark their orders. So he starts moving closer to the protester, who is still stepping back, and grabs at him, or grabs him, trying to toss him off the street.

He has still not voiced any commands that would lead you to think he's going to arrest the guy.

And that's when he starts violently clubbing at the guys leg.

Even if the guy should fully expect the brutal corrupt NYPD to act in this manner, it sure as hell doesn't make it ok.

that cop was an idiot.
they should have had a few try and restrain him, if he fought back then the escalation would almost have been reasonable.

Professor Michael Avery is probably extremely happy to see this veteran beat up. I'm sure if it was a veteran at a Tea Party rally, most of the OWS crowd would be cheering as well. Funny how they like veterans, ONLY when it suits them. Normally, they'd be calling him a "war criminal".

Professor Michael Avery - Screw the soldiers