OWS now heckeling, following, threatening children???

The other problem is the mob mentality this taking....it doesn't take much with this group to insite a riot.

So kids are in school by the time they're 4 years old in NYC?

Originally posted by DISINFORMANT
So kids are in school by the time they're 4 years old in NYC?

The 4 year old was probably just traveling with the parent and sibling to school. Should the parent have left the 4 year old home alone?

No, but if the protest is really just a few hundred, to a thousand or so people like the anti-OWS crowd claims.. They could have just walked a block down and gone around the "terrorists".

reply to post by WTFover


Personally, I believe there to be a difference between 'mouthing off at people' and 'freedom of speech.'
Granted, we probably could never settle on a legal separation of the two.

Now, obviously, not everyone involved with OWS is the most respectable person, nor do they treat others with the respect deserved/required to perpetuate mature conversation.
With that said, however, I have seen just as many, if not more, disrespect from people not involved with OWS.

Perhaps the 'problem' starts with US, as humans, before we go making distinctions between 'this group good' and 'this group bad.'

If we wanted to start labeling an entire group based off of the actions of a small percentage of individuals, well...I probably wouldn't be a fan of 'the human race.'

Originally posted by eleven44
If we wanted to start labeling an entire group based off of the actions of a small percentage of individuals, well...

I wonder how many times I've read that here at ATS and elsewhere excusing the mounting activities carried out in OWS's name?

I'll never know.

It´s only natural that there is acceptable inconvenience for the people that work and live in the area, but this is going to far.

They could´ve moved back a bit to let the kids go through, no need for yelling anything or following those people at all.

Off course it only takes a few people that act like this, to ruin it for the rest, but I don´t know if the rest of the crowd was correcting these people, or were cool with it.

it´s not looking good for them right now, OWS New York that is.

reply to post by SrWingCommander


I was thinking the same thing about the anti OWS crowd. You guys are getting more full of hatred on a daily basis. Its got to the point where some aren't capable of perspective any more.

Originally posted by freethinker123
These marchers are not monsters, nor saints, they are representive of the people of US

No, they are not representative of the people in the US. They just think they are.

Originally posted by freethinker123
reply to post by SrWingCommander

 

I was thinking the same thing about the anti OWS crowd. You guys are getting more full of hatred on a daily basis. Its got to the point where some aren't capable of perspective any more.

So, do we have to be either, or, in your ideal?

I think in principle the occupy movements could work, if they had well defined goals and purpose. Just because somebody points out a negative doesn't mean there is nothing positive that could be accomplished. Hopefully those who are in charge of these occupy situations will learn from things like this being pointed out as what not to do to win people over to their cause.

In my opinion, these movements need to get their act together, to avoid people from becoming anti!

Originally posted by freethinker123
reply to post by SrWingCommander

 

I was thinking the same thing about the anti OWS crowd. You guys are getting more full of hatred on a daily basis. Its got to the point where some aren't capable of perspective any more.

My distain for OWS grows proportionately to the escalation of their despicable acts. Nothing is sacred to the core of OWS; not public or private property, not the rights of other citizens, not even children.

The support for OWS is virtually gone. Those left perpetrating these crimes are the core nuts who have been there all along. The decent people have fled the movement. It won’t be long until these remaining punks are disbursed and the adults can move forward with fixing the countries problems.

reply to post by SLAYER69


Again, I'm not trying to 'excuse' anything.
If an individual did indeed follow, scream at, or threaten a child, by all means, that person should be handled accordingly.

Nor am I implying that my logic should only be used for OWS. It goes for all groups.

Examples:
I'm not a democrat. I imagine, however, that there are quite a few crimes committed every year by self proclaimed democrats. Does this mean all democrats are criminals? No.
I'm not a republican. I imagine, however, there are a lot of them who are all for torture tactics used by our government. Does this mean all republicans are pro-torture and pro-war? No.
I'm not a teacher. But there are lots of teachers who have had sexual relations with their students. Does this mean all teachers should be treated as sexual predators? Nope.
I'm not a Catholic Priest. But I've heard of many cases of sexual abuse committed by Priests. Should all Catholic priests be considered rapists? Probably not.

Do you see where I'm going with this?
It's a very dangerous thing to label an idea (in the case of OWS the 'idea' is that governmental/corporate corruption has gone too far) based on the actions of a few individuals who may also hold similar ideals.

The great thing about the '99%' is that there are many many different perspectives and points of view and ideas on how to tackle issues.

Again, I just find it a little immature to try to white wash an entire movement.
But you can do/listen to whatever you want.

Originally posted by seabag

Originally posted by freethinker123
reply to post by SrWingCommander

 

The decent people have fled the movement. It won’t be long until these remaining punks are disbursed and the adults can move forward with fixing the countries problems.

Where are these facts, statistics, proof?

And are you referring to the same 'adults' who are gung-ho about going to War, handing out governmental bailouts, printing money out of thin air, controlling the mainstream media with lies and cynical agendas, and protecting their own through insider trading and corrupt bribes?
Because if you're really thinking the same people who got us into this situation can get us out of it.... well that's just insanity.

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
- Albert Einstein

With all due respect, Seabag, you sound very cynical, mean spirited and angry. None of these emotions are going to help anything. Especially when it comes to getting people to agree with you, and definitely not when it comes to 'fixing things.'

Regardless if you agree with every aspect of OWS or approve of every individuals lifestyle involved with OWS, can we at least agree to be civil, mature adults capable of getting along without resorting to shouting and insults?

edit on 18-11-2011 by eleven44 because: don't know why my entire post is in an quote...oh well.

reply to post by eleven44


I'm sorry, but I'm basing my opinion by the countless repetitive overwhelming amounts of replies that make that argument. Meanwhile, usually and you can read them for yourself they hardly EVER condemn the activity in question but rather come out full bore with their arguments about it not representing the whole.


Feel free to read the mounting threads critical of OWS activities [Granted Carried out by a Few] yourself objectively, if you can.

Originally posted by FurvusRexCaeli
reply to post by eleven44

 

Even if a small handful of protesters did this, how could you categorize an ENTIRE movement that consists of thousands of people?
Not that it would dismiss the actions of INDIVIDUALS, but blaming an entire group? Come on.

Kinda like blaming all three million people in the 1% for the actions of a few people who sought or received government bailouts for their companies.

edit on 18-11-2011 by FurvusRexCaeli because: (no reason given)

Exactly like that.

That's why I've never blamed all 3 million people in the one percent, nor have I supported anyone who has. However, I have tried to have informative/productive conversations with those who truly think that ANYONE who has done well ($$$) for themselves in who we need to blame.

The true percentage is more like .0001%, but I suppose for the sake of making signs, the movement decided to go with 'the 99%' instead of the '99.999%.'

The thing is, if people disagree with OWS, that's fine, but explain rationally and maturely why you disagree, and then go about trying to inform people about your opinion. But resorting to childish insults and complaining (not saying you did this) is just...well, it doesn't help anything, that's for sure.

But are people truly surprised that other people are upset by the current situation of the world? Does anyone really disagree that Government Corruption has to stop? Does anyone disagree with ending the lies used to manipulate WE the people? Does any one disagree with holding our representatives and leaders responsible for their unjust actions?

I think these are all things we can agree need to be addressed. The biggest matter of concern, however, would be HOW we go about addressing these concerns. There are many ways, many ideas. What is NOT going to help, though, is continuing being angry with one another/arguing with one another while in the meantime the politicians destroy any hope of turning this country around.

reply to post by SLAYER69


Sure, maybe they should openly condemn those who are stepping out of lines, and openly separate that person from the ideals of the movement. It would probably be a good idea.
But perhaps they are so adamant and passionate about supporting their cause - OWS - that they feel they have to defend themselves, no matter what, against outside attacks, even if that means side stepping the true situation at hand which, again, is the action of (an) individual(s). They (people involved) probably know many others involved that do not represent the actions of others, and therefore feel the need to personally defend themselves.
Sounds like nobody is really 'right' in a situation like that. Everyone is just shouting over one another, trying to be heard.

Again, I'm all for holding individuals responsible. Just not for downright labeling and stereotyping.

Originally posted by freethinker123
reply to post by SrWingCommander

 

I was thinking the same thing about the anti OWS crowd. You guys are getting more full of hatred on a daily basis. Its got to the point where some aren't capable of perspective any more.

I wouldn't call it hatred. Confusion, some disgust, a little ridicule...definitely not hatred, though.

Originally posted by JIMC5499

Originally posted by freethinker123
These marchers are not monsters, nor saints, they are representive of the people of US

No, they are not representative of the people in the US. They just think they are.

And that, friend, is the truth in a nutshell.

Originally posted by SrWingCommander
You yell at my kids for your infantile political protest your going to get yelled at back...you follow me and my kid....your lucky if you don't, or only, get a nose broken.

Lawl deflate there big guy we don't need a display of your massive e-peen here.

reply to post by SLAYER69


A tea party member got arrested for molesting a little boy a few months back. So i guess by your logic all tea partiers are child molesters, thats great just great.