What Will Happen In Winter When Snow Is All Over But OWS Caused City Costs to Soar?

Originally posted by FallenWun
No, I expect people to be consistent in their message about less government, less dependance, less spending, less taxes, being self sufficient, boot straps, yadda yadda yadda. I am not sure why I should have to chip in to plow a street because you need to go somewhere. I do not need the government to plow for me. Why so dependent on big government?

Ok that's a completely other topic
Right now the city removes the snow and your money does go towards that

If your money goes towards that you want it done
What you are saying is a completely other topic

Originally posted by assspeaker
Perhaps our keepers will start to realize the financial burden of the police state mentality.
They, the police are stealing the snow fund.

Stealing the snow fund? For real? How about OWS is stealing the snow fund.

Ok, Ok, To serious. I will answer the OP with my funny:

I will have a freaking blast in my Subaru sti making 425 whp. on a new set of Blizzaks!
Bring on the snow!!

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

That's what you are missing. They do not need to be policed. PERIOD.
The city decides what kind of money to WASTE.

Originally posted by FallenWun
reply to post by ModernAcademia

 

What?

SHOVEL YOUR OWN SNOW, LAZY!
Same to your mother.
Why do you need big government to come remove snow for you and why do I have to help pay for it?

Seriously, you are whining about the government not getting to spend enough tax dollars and do more for us?

As a homeowner, taxpayer and FORMER OWS supporter in it's current form, this actually matters quite a bit. I do shovel my own snow. However, I also pay my fair share of taxes into my city. Some of that is intended for things like snow removal on major and secondary streets that the OP is right about. Where will the money come from when it's already been spent?

NONE of that money went with the intention of paying security (police) for protests camping 24/7. When viewed that way it's getting to be a question of whose rights are violated here after all? The OWS camp members or the 99% out here who will get short changed on the service vs. taxes paid? It really is getting into numbers where that is a relevant thing to start discussing.

Perhaps some of you will change your tune when the police are occupying your house.
The city chooses how much to do if anything.
The police do not occupy all the camps around the USA.
It is the power cities that are trying to fluff up their feathers, but to what end?
More money down the drain...movement goes on...logic not found.

Originally posted by assspeaker
Perhaps some of you will change your tune when the police are occupying your house.
The city chooses how much to do if anything.
The police do not occupy all the camps around the USA.
It is the power cities that are trying to fluff up their feathers, but to what end?
More money down the drain...movement goes on...logic not found.

If my home is host to rapes, assaults, fugitives, canine epidemics of fatal disease and runaway children sharing living space with drug dealers, perhaps I deserve to have police occupying.

Given that I never have nor plan to have such things in my home, I think I'm pretty safe in my belief I won't be hosting the local Police Department any time soon. I could be wrong, of course.....

Originally posted by assspeaker
Perhaps some of you will change your tune when the police are occupying your house.
The city chooses how much to do if anything.
The police do not occupy all the camps around the USA.
It is the power cities that are trying to fluff up their feathers, but to what end?
More money down the drain...movement goes on...logic not found.

Actually OWS is currently occupying someone else's house not the police
Zucotti is a private park that they turned into a tent city

Think about it

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000

Originally posted by assspeaker
Perhaps some of you will change your tune when the police are occupying your house.
The city chooses how much to do if anything.
The police do not occupy all the camps around the USA.
It is the power cities that are trying to fluff up their feathers, but to what end?
More money down the drain...movement goes on...logic not found.

If my home is host to rapes, assaults, fugitives, canine epidemics of fatal disease and runaway children sharing living space with drug dealers, perhaps I deserve to have police occupying.

Given that I never have nor plan to have such things in my home, I think I'm pretty safe in my belief I won't be hosting the local Police Department any time soon. I could be wrong, of course.....

edit on 17-11-2011 by Wrabbit2000 because: (no reason given)

I don't want a perma militant riot police presence in every location a crime has happened.
Really makes no sense to me.
Now I am very glad you brought this up, because all of the things you just described are normal day to day life for a homeless person, and unfortunately this has been going on for eons. While I realize there is major segregation in the camps themselves due to the reasons you mentioned, I know the homeless have this issue all the time. The reality of this situation is different from city to city, but the homeless are a large percentage in this movement for change. Only now it gets press as it suits TPTB.

As far as the disease issue, I think the city's efforts would have been viewed in a better light had they stood by their fellow man, providing toilets/soup lines and medical help instead of brutality.

Wait till they raid your house to take your guns. This is where this will go. More suppression. More rules. More TSA presence. None of which is necessary, and it will all be paid for with both of our tax dollars.

I do not want to fund this fight against this movement. Leave them to work it out on their own. I would rather see them die off peacefully than be pushed back into their rabbit holes due to the use of excessive force.

I approve of my tax dollars going to fund snow removal, but not human removal.

I gave this a little more thought. Questioning how OWS could do a better job, and how it could benefit the city's funds.

This is only a proposal, and surely has flaws, but here goes sort of a plan.

1) OWS protesters sign a waiver that they will not intentionally break any laws. This includes the fact that parks close at night, so occupying those at night would not be allowed. And those that don't sign, will not be allowed to join the civilized group.
2) OWS elects a leader figure to run as liaison between OWS and the city. (some groups have taken this step)
3) OWS elects group leaders to oversee, and attempt to thwart any problems. This may include setting up a reformatory and clinics using those protesters that have been trained in health care.
4) OWS provides individuals with radios to police themselves. These people, and at least one channel could be in contact with police if any individual or group starts to get out of hand.
5) OWS provides their own toilets, and food with the funds they HAVE already gathered.
6) OWS begins to suggest solutions to the problems at hand.
7) OWS becomes a self sustaining community.

I know, woulda, shoulda, coulda is a factor. But an about face with professionalism an responsibility would put this movement in a much more serious light. I'm sure I am not the first to suggest this sort of a deviation from the current conditions.

Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by assspeaker
Really? Did the OWS tell the city to waste (and how much?) money on a police presence that makes the police look like the thugs? Well then you think they should just have unlimited spending to sustain the status quo?

As Capt. Ray Lewis said "The police commisioner works for the mayor, the mayor tells the commisionner how he wants it handled and the commisionner trickles down the orders to the white shirts who then gives the orders to cops"

So once again, don't Occupy Wrong Street
Occupy the mayor's office

See what i'm saying now?

JP Morgan owns the mayor with a $4.6 billion cash injection to the police dept.

reply to post by ModernAcademia


Maybe it operates differently in the US, but here in Cannuckistan, the budgets for snow removal and policing are entirely separate. I'd assume the same down there. Did the police work without pay cheques in NY during that massive snow-pocalypse? Nah, didn't think so.

I see your point though, it is going to start costing these cities a hefty price tag to continually send out the police in full riot gear. how much does it cost to run that LRAD sound cannon?

My solution? Give in to OWS, make the crooks pay their taxes and fines, and use that money to pay for whatever budget is running low due to the police state.

reply to post by ModernAcademia

Zucotti is a private park that they turned into a tent city

And the lease owner has no problem with OWS being there.

Think about it.

reply to post by assspeaker


Nope, not the first, surely not the last, but yeah your plan of action is sound, and parts of it have already been implemented. I doubt the police want to work with OWS, but I have seen incidents of OWSers stopping and denouncing those inciting violence or crimes.

but it doesn't matter, perception is reality, and as long as people continue to perceive them all as drugged out dirty feces smeared hippies, it really doesn't matter how well they voice their issues, or how well they organize.

the second they pick a "leader" it will be character assassination time, hell, that's already happened.

when the snow starts to fly and the OWS is still yelling "WHO'S STREET, OUR STREET" I would be glade to hand them a snow shovel, and say now shovel the snow if it's your street.
This should save the city $$$$$.
Oh wait they OWS will want pay, more than the city pays now, never mind, can i have my shovel back?

Actually, costs might come time should the occupies continue. Body heat will melt the snow

Also, think of all the clean up JOBS and law enforcement overtime opportunities these protests are creating.

Originally posted by Ahabstar
I see a win-win. Have the police drop off a truckload of snow shovels to see if they take to the shovel ready jobs and prove that they really represent the betterment of the 99% of the country or not.

Just in case some are thinking of faking an on the job injury to claim workman's comp...

reply to post by ~Lucidity

Agreed.
I'm also thinking those that do make a living removing the snow would like to continue to do so.
I would (literally, really) hate to see people saying the OWS scum took my job! Now Jimmy can't have Christmas!
Live and let live!

???? Good question,easy answer. Print more money and raise the debt ceiling budget. We do it everywhere else all the time. Why not give cities more dough to clean up OW AND snow? It'll help the economy too.

We should give more foriegn aid to contries while we're at the printing machine too.

What could go wrong?

Originally posted by Ahabstar
I see a win-win. Have the police drop off a truckload of snow shovels to see if they take to the shovel ready jobs and prove that they really represent the betterment of the 99% of the country or not.

I'm surprised no one said that those filthy, low life OWS's would use those shovels as weapons.

OWS haters are getting lazy.