Compelling and Convincing Evidence that Life was Created! What Say You?

please. "Evidence" of creationism is impossible to find. The best you can get from studying the effects of something is an educated guess as to the cause. To assume you have anything more than that is 1. incorrect, and 2. irresponsible to claim. Verifiable discoveries of Homo Sapiens skeletons go back 150,000 years or more. How can anyone possibly know how our species came to be by studying humans as they are today?

Just so we are clear the same goes for Evolution, however, evidence of the truth of this theory surrounds us. Does that mean we all evolved from a puddle of protein jelly baked on the primordial plains of a young earth? Not necessarily, but given the factual, scientific evidence that we have, based on literally millions of man-hours of scientific observation, the Theory of Evolution is the closest thing we have been able to come up with that is comprehensible to our human brains.

As for the hard and fast truth of our origins....

reply to post by Loki

Evidence" of creationism is impossible to find.

The reason why "Evidence" of creation[ism] is impossible to find" is because you refused to see the evidence. Simple as that.

For example, the video in the Opening Post - without a guiding Intelligence behind the creation of the CELL, can chance or natural selection or mutation be able to create the DNA molecule?

IF so please explain how is it possible?

Again, simply saying "we don't know" or that "it doesn't matter because it exist" is exactly is the same thing as saying:


"Evidence" of it "is impossible to find".

Why? because it's not true.


On the other hand - Creation have so many evidence to show and prove that life was indeed a product of an Intelligent Being - God.

Just like the DNA molecule.

Just like the "protein chain fold" problem of evolution.

Here again the vid courtesy of squiz:



It said the following:

"the probability of generating one sure protein by mutation is one in 10 ^ 74th power"

How big is this number?

Watch the vid to find out.





BTW - notice I bracketed the "ism" from creationism because I'm talking about Creation or to be exact - Biblical Creation. There's a difference between the two belief system.

Just because we dont know yet does not validate an invisable man theory nor does it give credence to a book a fairytales. Science will discover more and more in the next 100 years and as time passes people will realise how backward a belief system actually is.

Originally posted by Horus12
Just because we dont know yet does not validate an invisable man theory nor does it give credence to a book a fairytales. Science will discover more and more in the next 100 years and as time passes people will realise how backward a belief system actually is.

Sad thing is, it will never happen.

The answer that evolutionists are looking for will never be found because it's against what science had been saying all along.

That is:

Life can only come from pre-existing life and intelligence require a thinking mind.

That's just the fact.

You can look all you want but you will never find it because chance, mutations, natural selection, etc can never create an intelligent life form.

In other words - evolution theory with all of its supporting theories has HIT a wall, a wall that it can never break and overcome.

As for the " invisable man theory" - correction, there's no such thing as " invisable man theory" - you people just made it up just like evolution theory is made up.

In fact the Scripture say that God is a spirit thus invisible to the naked eye.

(1 Timothy 1:17) "Now to the King of eternity, incorruptible, invisible, [the] only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen".

But you believe though that there are things invisible to us and we come to accept them as such but how come you're not able accept an invisible Creator - God?

Is it because of your bias, is it because of the badness done in the name of God, or is it you don't want to be viewed "foolish" by others - or is it because others have the same POV as yours? Whatever your reason, why not truly look at the evidence?

You having nothing to lose but your bias and more to gain - much much more.

And no it's not backward to believe that Jehovah God is the creator - in fact it's forward thinking because you can now move forward to next question - more important than the first: why life? Why did he create life? What's the purpose behind it all?

But if you want to remain in your bias - then more power to you. You will need it because time is running out. Do you think mankind has 100 more years to go?

Be realistic - if there's no God do you think mankind can manage to survive 5-10 more years let alone 100 more years? At present we are at a lost on how to resolve the collapsing system. Nations are on the brink of war - do you think we can survive another war? A nuclear or biological warfare at that? Do you think the peace treaties that nation had agreed upon will be honored in order to give mankind time to find out the answer to the origin of life? How important this quest for an answer do you think is when push comes to shove? Do you think the scientific community will have a chance and the time to find the answer when the system is collapsing?

SO by all means you can dream all you want but the reality is - God exists - and I'm thankful for it because he promised that he will not allow anyone to ruin his creation.

(Revelation 11:18) "But the nations became wrathful, and your own wrath came, ... to bring to ruin those ruining the earth.”

What say you do we have enuff time to find the answer to unreality?

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I think you have lost it dude. Your trying, well know you are in your own mind explaining how life was created. The only way you can comprehend it is to say something else guided it, directed it, so there must be a god. HA. This is so incredibly wrong. No I can't tell you how it works, because I don't know, that doesn't mean your right. Just because you are willing to be so confident in what you say doesn't mean I am. For one thing I know that the god everyone is thinking of, with the white beard, and throne in heaven just doesn't exist. Plain and simple. Your theory also has contradictions that Im sure you are aware of. For example if it takes a god to create intelligent life, what is god? Isn't god an intelligent lifeform? If not please explain and give evidence of this. Also I would like evidence that evolution absolutely can't lead to intelligent life, and if there are statistics please explain how one would arrive to such statistics. I don't claim to have all of lifes answers like you do, but I know for one thing, you've gone of the deep end....

Originally posted by edmc^2
Life can only come from pre-existing life and intelligence require a thinking mind.

That's just the fact.

Fact? I believe what you meant is "That's just my opinion". I know it's tricky, but there is a difference. Unless you've got objective scientific evidence that actually shows anything in the natural world being designed, or a designer itself, then you cannot parrot the word fact around.

As for the " invisable man theory" - correction, there's no such thing as " invisable man theory" - you people just made it up just like evolution theory is made up.

He's only wrong in the sense that it should be invisible man hypothesis, not theory, hence the lack of evidence.

Is it because of your bias, is it because of the badness done in the name of God, or is it you don't want to be viewed "foolish" by others - or is it because others have the same POV as yours? Whatever your reason, why not truly look at the evidence?

For the last time, there are NO scientific studies or papers that indicate anything was designed. You are drawing conclusions based on your own personal interpretation of the complexity of DNA and how it could have arisen; not actual experiments and observations of an intelligent designer or evidence of the process taking place. That's the difference between science (theory) and intelligent design (hypothesis). The conclusions are based on experiments that show what they ARE, not what they THINK MIGHT BE THERE

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Nice job Barcs, I'd like to see how he responds to that one. Basically what I was trying to say, but you articulated it much better..

Originally posted by andersensrm
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I think you have lost it dude. Your trying, well know you are in your own mind explaining how life was created. The only way you can comprehend it is to say something else guided it, directed it, so there must be a god. HA. This is so incredibly wrong. No I can't tell you how it works, because I don't know, that doesn't mean your right. Just because you are willing to be so confident in what you say doesn't mean I am. For one thing I know that the god everyone is thinking of, with the white beard, and throne in heaven just doesn't exist. Plain and simple. Your theory also has contradictions that Im sure you are aware of. For example if it takes a god to create intelligent life, what is god? Isn't god an intelligent lifeform? If not please explain and give evidence of this. Also I would like evidence that evolution absolutely can't lead to intelligent life, and if there are statistics please explain how one would arrive to such statistics. I don't claim to have all of lifes answers like you do, but I know for one thing, you've gone of the deep end....

In other words Mr. andersensrm -

YOU believe what you don't know!

while

I on the other hand believe what I know - to be the fact!

Now who do you think "lost it dude"?

What do you call when someone believe on something they don't know?

I call it "Blind Faith" - what is it to you?

reply to post by Barcs

For the last time, there are NO scientific studies or papers that indicate anything was designed.

For the last time - Is the DNA MOLECULE designed or not?

If not - can we duplicate it then? If not why not?

If yes - please show me the evidence.

Also if the DNA molecule came on its own what or who created it?

Is it chance, natural selection, mutation, or you don't know?

If you believe you don't know.

Like I said - what to do you call it - if YOU believe on something you don't know?

Blind faith or ignorance?

Here it is again the evidence that the CELL / the DNA is a product of Design.

Originally posted by edmc^2
For the last time - Is the DNA MOLECULE designed or not?

Since there is no evidence to suggest it was, I'm going with not.

If not - can we duplicate it then? If not why not?

I don't think scientists can duplicate it yet because our level of technology and knowledge on the subject hasn't gotten to that point yet.

If yes - please show me the evidence.

Good thing I said no.

Also if the DNA molecule came on its own what or who created it?

I'm confused. If it came about on its own (naturally), it wasn't created.

Is it chance, natural selection, mutation, or you don't know?

I don't know.

Like I said - what to do you call it - if YOU believe on something you don't know?

Blind faith or ignorance?

Who is believing in anything they don't know, besides you? I say "I don't know". That doesn't mean I believe in what I don't know. I simply don't know. Anything else is twisting words around. You don't know just like I don't. The difference is you claim that your guess is a fact. I simply claim I don't know at this point in time. That means I do not have a belief on the subject.

Your evidence is not objective, AGAIN. Its completely assuming that they are too complicated to arise naturally, it's not showing evidence of designer or process of design. That means its not scientific. It's all philosophy.

reply to post by Barcs

Who is believing in anything they don't know, besides you? I say "I don't know". That doesn't mean I believe in what I don't know. I simply don't know. Anything else is twisting words around. You don't know just like I don't. The difference is you claim that your guess is a fact. I simply claim I don't know at this point in time. That means I do not have a belief on the subject.

And yet you're convince that life evolved even though you "don't know".

And what do you call that kind of belief?

I call it blind faith - believing on something you don't know and will never know.

That my friend is THE WALL the evolution theory will never break thru - The Origin of Life!

WHY?

Because there's only ONE answer to the question of the Origin Of Life - C R E A T I O N!

I have read though many creationist topics on this board and have come to the conclusion that those of you who refuse to accept EVOLUTION as a fact...are scared of dying. This is what it all comes down to...you are scared to death that when you die...thats it and you are either burried or cremated and your conciousness does not continue.

I find this attitude COWARDICE at it's highest level. Maybe there is something afer we die or maybe there is not but...MAN UP! You have no recolection prior to being born do you? Are you such frightened children that the mere thought of no afterlife is so scary to you that you will ignore all evidence to the contrary?

Stop your illogic and hope for the best...stop being the joke you have become. Split Infinity

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
I have read though many creationist topics on this board and have come to the conclusion that those of you who refuse to accept EVOLUTION as a fact...are scared of dying. This is what it all comes down to...you are scared to death that when you die...thats it and you are either burried or cremated and your conciousness does not continue.

I find this attitude COWARDICE at it's highest level. Maybe there is something afer we die or maybe there is not but...MAN UP! You have no recolection prior to being born do you? Are you such frightened children that the mere thought of no afterlife is so scary to you that you will ignore all evidence to the contrary?

Stop your illogic and hope for the best...stop being the joke you have become. Split Infinity

Thanks SplitInfinity for the comment but you're completely wrong - we're not afraid of death. In fact death is an enemy that we should never be afraid of but rather finding out that what you've believed all along is a lie.

What were mostly interested in this thread is noted in my sig - The Truth.

And the truth is - Life was the result of creation not evolution.

Originally posted by edmc^2

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
I have read though many creationist topics on this board and have come to the conclusion that those of you who refuse to accept EVOLUTION as a fact...are scared of dying. This is what it all comes down to...you are scared to death that when you die...thats it and you are either burried or cremated and your conciousness does not continue.

I find this attitude COWARDICE at it's highest level. Maybe there is something afer we die or maybe there is not but...MAN UP! You have no recolection prior to being born do you? Are you such frightened children that the mere thought of no afterlife is so scary to you that you will ignore all evidence to the contrary?

Stop your illogic and hope for the best...stop being the joke you have become. Split Infinity

End yet you denie the truth with falsehoods. Split Infintity

Thanks SplitInfinity for the comment but you're completely wrong - we're not afraid of death. In fact death is an enemy that we should never be afraid of but rather finding out that what you've believed all along is a lie.

What were mostly interested in this thread is noted in my sig - The Truth.

And the truth is - Life was the result of creation not evolution.

Originally posted by edmc^2
And yet you're convince that life evolved even though you "don't know".

And what do you call that kind of belief

I call it blind faith - believing on something you don't know and will never know.

That my friend is THE WALL the evolution theory will never break thru - The Origin of Life!

Stop twisting my words around. I KNOW life evolved because of the mountains of evidence that support it. OBJECTIVE TESTABLE REPEATABLE EVIDENCE, the kind that DOESN'T EXIST with intelligent design. You are talking about the origin of life, not evolution. Stop equating the 2. We were talking about DNA and how it originally came about, were we not? That's has nothing to do with evolution. Is it not hypocritical to accuse someone of of blindly believing something, when you do exactly that? Origin of life has nothing to do with evolution. The only wall is the one you have created around your mind.

And the truth is - Life was the result of creation not evolution.

I'm afraid not. Besides evolution and creation are separate concepts. One does not negate the other. Evolution is proven, creation is a possibility, but it doesn't go beyond that.

Somehow my last reply got nixed. I will say this as an undeniable statement that has beed proved 100% and cannot be dispoven because we use it every day in developing Drought Resistant crops or Geneticly altered Vaccines for the sick. EVOLUTION is UNDENIABLE.

If you want to say there is a GOD and this GOD used the process of EVOLUTION to create not only Life but EVOLUTION applies to the development of the Universe or Multiverse itself....then fine. I have no problem with that.

But for crying out loud!....Stop trying to use false information from fake authorities on Genetics as well as using ancient religious text to try to disprove what can not be disproved! EVOLUTION is a fact and we are using it every day as well as we are EVOLVING every day...that being Humans and all animal life as well as the Universe and Multiverse itself.

EVOLUTION is not a question of religion or faith...it is a simple reality and those who spend endless time trying to find some angle to discredit it...I suggest you look at an X-RAY of your TAILBONE as we once had TAILS!

Walk into the 21st century with some dignity! Split Infinity

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Somehow my last reply got nixed. I will say this as an undeniable statement that has beed proved 100% and cannot be dispoven because we use it every day in developing Drought Resistant crops or Geneticly altered Vaccines for the sick. EVOLUTION is UNDENIABLE.

To me this simply means that we're technologically advancing - but if this is evolution to you - hey more power to you.

If you want to say there is a GOD and this GOD used the process of EVOLUTION to create not only Life but EVOLUTION applies to the development of the Universe or Multiverse itself....then fine. I have no problem with that.

I have a problem with it though because the two concept can't be mixed. They invalidate each other.

Thus if you say - "GOD used the process of EVOLUTION ", the Scriptures clearly states that:

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." -- Gen 1:1 NKJV

And that:

Mat 19:1 ASV - "And it came to pass when Jesus had finished these words, he departed from Galilee, and came into the borders of Judaea beyond the Jordan;"

Mat 19:4 ASV - "And he answered and said, Have ye not read, that he who made [them] from the beginning made them male and female,".


So it's either - we're created or we're a product of evolution.

If we were product of evolution - what does Jesus' death mean then for us?

or for that matter if you say - "GOD used the process of EVOLUTION ", why did Jesus die for mankind then?

“For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.” (John 3:16)

So the two can't be mixed.

Found an excellent discussion with Ray Comforts who makes exactly the same points you make. He's clearly WRONG, just like you



Notice how he completely ignores all the facts, just like you...

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I'm sorry but how am I ignoring the facts again?

For example:

Isn't a fact that life can only come from pre-existing life?
That the universe had a beginning? That according to available data - the universe is around 13byo and that the earth is around 4byo?

And isn't also a fact that you believe on what you "don't know"?

So again - how am I ignoring the facts?


As for your video - that was a long unproductive listening experience - nothing new.

As for doctrinal matters - you know where I stand and it's contrary to what Ray Comfort had said.

Overall - nothing new in the video.

reply to post by edmc^2

Isn't a fact that life can only come from pre-existing life?

We don't know.

That the universe had a beginning? That according to available data - the universe is around 13byo and that the earth is around 4byo?

The universe had a start (but it could of course just be a constant repetition), sure...but that doesn't prove a creator.

And isn't also a fact that you believe on what you "don't know"?

Well, it's the only honest answer...we don't know how it started.

As for your video - that was a long unproductive listening experience - nothing new. As for doctrinal matters - you know where I stand and it's contrary to what Ray Comfort had said. Overall - nothing new in the video.

Ray's using the same laughable "computers have a programmer, ergo we are designed" nonsense argument