OWS camp in NYC getting raided - Now .

reply to post by CREAM


Thank you for that video, Ron Paul really nailed it there, seems like he is the only one that understands. I think if we end the Federal Reserve and get some antilobbying and money out of politics the rest will take care of itself.

Just watching reports now that the mayor and NYPD violated a court order by forcing the eviction and that the protestors may be allowed back into the park. There is a hearing scheduled for this afternoon. In the mayors press con. he talked about the reason for the eviction being " public safety "

Could it be that the other shoe has dropped and after they sneaked in under the cover of darkness to beat up the OWS protestors they have realised that all they actually achieved was a hundred or so arrests and in effect they have now scattered the movement all over manhattan, so they will find it even more difficult to "police" the dispersed protestors?
At least when everyone was together in the park they could keep big brother's eye on them with ease. Time will tell if they allow them back in to liberty square to exercise their right to peaceful protest within the agreed protest zone!

maybe getting everyone back into the park will prove to be safer for the public servants

this is terrible its in the hands of the courts now it could take months before a ruling is given and then years for an appeal.

Originally posted by thatonedude
reply to post by MathiasAndrew

 

Life has always fed on life, there really is no other way.
A peaceful change would be ideal but is not possible.
You have that teenage mentality of "down with the government anarchy rules but somolia is a bad place" I see running rampant through our country right now.
Disgusting.

I have to agree. I think the corruption and BS is so intertwined on such a large scale that the only 'real' way to get results is a serious revolt. aka willing to die for your belief.

So if anyone has a decommissioned tank sitting in there garage, now would be a great time to bust that out and have a lil fun haha!

And if someone has said tank, and is not willing to drive it: I WILL! That way i can help do my part

Originally posted by Evolutionsend
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

There are ways of dealing with those problems that are constitutional. This is just an excuse to remove Occupy from the picture, and I don't like it. last I checked, unlawful seizure of one's property and unlawful destruction of that property was unconstitutional.

edit on 15-11-2011 by Evolutionsend because: (no reason given)

And last I checked when one is one private property longer than the owner of said property allows that is called trespassing. From that point forward, possession is nine-tenths the law. The folks at that point went from being guests to trespassing. The park is a privately held public space.

I am sorry, but I feel no remorse for anyone that willfully remained on private property -- property that they were granted permission to "occupy" -- only to whine and complain that they are being denied their First Amendment rights. That is the most ironic thing about this whole OWS "movement".

They have shown time and time again that its about them. It is about their time in the sun and their time on the throne. OWS's desires to be King for the Day have shown they are willing to shout and stomp their feet about Rights while neglecting others' Rights.

Originally posted by cosmickat
Just watching reports now that the mayor and NYPD violated a court order by forcing the eviction and that the protestors may be allowed back into the park. There is a hearing scheduled for this afternoon. In the mayors press con. he talked about the reason for the eviction being " public safety "

Any link or sources for this? Would like to read it.

There goes the 1st Amendment. Time to go house to house and eradicate the 2nd Amendment "radicals' out of public safety concerns.

Mark my words, right wing Christian conservatives, your willingness to believe in and support unlawful police action on the part of TPTB has set you up to be eradicated in the same manner. You are giving them the rope they will bind you with, and you don't have the numbers to save your own skin, you are all in a hunkerdown and hoard mentality and will die alone and scared in the basements of your own homes in the dark hours of the morning. There is only safety in numbers. There is strength in public places. If they can cull you from the herd, they can push you into a van and take you to a detention center. If you right wingers would only wake up and realize that we are fighting FOR the 1st Amendment and against the Draconian, Collective, NWO forces that are bleeding us dry, you would take up your hoarded weapons and join us against the rising tide of tyranny. You could be the deciding factor in complete and total reversal of the invasion. You could stand and assume your God-given rights and fight for the world you believe should be in place. Or you could cower and poke fun at those of us that are putting our lives and livelihoods on the line for freedom and a vision of a better world.

This is not capitalism. It is plutocracy. Profits are privatized and losses are collectivized under FDIC regulations. They make bets that are hedged by tax payer funds. Their games are backed by the sweat and labor of generations of the servant class. The derivative market is about to explode to the tune of 1.6 gazillion dollars, 40 times the ENTIRE money supply of the planet. No one can fix that. No one. They just laid that burden on OUR backs. I'm not gonna pay it back. But I’m not waiting for them to collect either; I’m out barking and screaming in their faces. They will have to take me out publically and openly. I’m not waiting for a 4AM house call.

Do you fear collectivism? Realize that the military and police that are beating people in the streets are a COLLECTIVE. They are publically owned and publically funded by those in power with COLLECTIVE funds. Those kids in the square are not Commies, they are a self organizing, highly Democratic, incredibly diverse group of individuals that value personal freedom enough to die for it. They are patriots on the order of the founding fathers. They respect individual opinion and belief and have agreed, through a 90-10 consensus, to stand in solidarity and take their lives into their OWN hands to pull the curtain aside and show everyone the true face of the World Empire that is about to slam shackles on every man, woman and child on this globe.

OUR fears and patriotism CREATED the Patriot Act. Our continued fear has supported two more versions of it. Our fear has given strength to subsequent fascist power seeking to eradicate "terrorism" in every corner of our country, has granted TSA the power to molest us EVERYWHERE.

If you had seen the display of absolute force that Occupy SLC faced a few days ago, and witnessed as this spectacle was minimized in the public forum and press, you would begin to see that things are well under way toward a complete stripping away of ALL Constitutional rights. Chief Burbank stated that the government dictates where, when and duration of the expression of these rights. He is a good, upstanding Christian man and this statement was made in absolute sincerity. Do you see what is happening here? Are you being deceived? Are you actually supporting the rising fascist state in the name of God and Country? Every law enacted is a potential snare. Every violation of a Constitutional right is consensus for further violation. When you laugh and sneer at the “hippies” in the movement, you are consenting to the actions levied against every citizen that does not agree with their agenda. It will, if allowed free reign, turn and strike you in the future. It will confiscate your guns. It will evict you from your foreclosed homes. It will take your freedom and dignity. “Public Health” has always been the core cause of draconian freedom grabbing movement. The Nazi party rose to power on public health and the beautification movement. Stalin promised the same. Mao did as well….. ghettos were raided and entire populations were crammed into camps and eradicated in the name of public health and disease prevention. This is a powerful psychological mechanism for garnishing support of fascist oppression. Don’t fall for it. Don’t be one of those that have to say, after a holocaust, “I didn’t know”. Get informed. Get involved. Change your world and avoid this absolute police state.

Speech and assembly are being challenged. If they are successful, your right to bear arms will be next.

Join this movement and secure your rights, or wait, huddled in your homes as the jackboots come for your stockpiles. This is what you have been prepping for. This is what you have been blogging about. This is the Orwellian boot stomping on a human face forever, if we allow it. Get over your fear of the "left" that has been falsely propagated to keep us fighting each other and get involved before it is too late. Not much time left now people. It’s happening with, or without you.

ATS has always been a forum for discussion regarding the plans of TPTB. Many of you have been yelling for years about getting involved. Do it now.

It is here on your doorstep. Fear will not serve you now. Step out of the false right / left paradigm they have created to divide our efforts and unite with us in this cause. We NEED your support to defeat them.

reply to post by Swills

Yeah, this was a stupid idea. Mayor Bloomberg of course will have to rspond to this. At the beginning he gave the protesters the Okay to protest.

you seem to have fallen for doombergs PR , my friend

he's been against occupy from the start, and has been very sneaky in going about it

bloomberg-vs-occupy

bloomberg-vs-occupy-a-knock-out-de cision-ows

To block the bank protest, Mayor Bloomberg initiated a plan to evict the Occupation from Liberty Square on the 14th of October. He claimed the city needed to "clean" the park.
In recognition of the threat, the Occupy movement gathers its strength. It makes a widely reported call to come to the park on the morning of the 14th to block the eviction.
Occupy then rapidly delegitimizes the complaint. It starts to deep clean Liberty Square with powerwashers, brooms, and mops (they even hired a dump truck). It even offers to let cleaners into the square to clean 1/3 of it at a time.
With the complaint delegitimized, the Occupy movement goes on the offensive. It personalizes the eviction move (already inside Bloomberg's OODA). It finds Bloomberg. He's at a gala dinner at Ciprianis (a Wall Street restaurant). They surround the restaurant and try to enter it to deliver a petition with 310,000 signatures. Bloomberg hides, departs from the rear.

not that i believe in it's effectiveness, or of any mass movement, however
i'd like all against these peoples right to protest remember:

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
John F. Kennedy

so keep promoting violence, folks
worms often turn

Well, that was easy....

These are the times when one must invest in a food cart and license.

I think a halal cart would go well in the mix.

Originally posted by MathiasAndrew
reply to post by ownbestenemy

 

This is the way that public land becomes private. In a desperate attempt to pay the debt and interest on that debt. Cities, Counties and States are selling off public land to large Corporations willing to invest. They buy a public park and promise to keep it a public park for 5 or 10 years. Then after a certain amount of time has passed since the transfer of the property from public to private has taken place. The company or corporation can develop that land and do what ever they want with it.

Something called research would do you some good. Also -- intertwining your agenda and your ideology into what you present as fact just makes you look silly. The land is owned by a private owner. The city and the owner make a deal that rather than make an office building or parking structure or anything else, they make it a public square. All maintenance of such square is the responsibility of the private owner (though I do not pretend to turn a blind eye and think there are no back-room deals).

It's happening all over the place. Hasn't anyone heard of Agenda 21 ? Gas, electricity, sewer, water systems all becoming owned by private companies and corporations. Which will lead to higher rates for all citizens and more debt for the cities and counties that use those services. We need to stop the selling of public land to pay off our debts. The interest rates at which our governments have been borrowing money is crippling our economy.

Wow. You do know that "public" utilities companies are private companies working with municipalities right? They are not "becoming owned by private companies and corporations" -- they were already held by private companies and corporations and governed by public officials. There are some that are privately owned. There are some that are publicly owned. Both are regulated via elected officials within your municipality (again, I do not turn a blind eye though to possible corruption or nefarious actions though).

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

Trash, rats, disease, noise all hours of the night, traffic problems, crime, rapes, deaths.

not to knock my hometown
but we've had more than enough of all that for quite a while now

They can still use the park but have to leave at night. I wonder what plan B is. Well they probably don't have one. What was their goal anyway??

Occupy movements world wide have been "liberated" from their occupation of common spaces. It has made us more mobile, allowed us to concentrate our resources on proactive protest rather than wasting time, money and energy policing our encampments against criminal activity and has escalated us, for lack of a more concise word, to "guerilla" tactics. We have been encouraged, at gun point, to abandon the last remaining illusions regarding “ownership” that have hindered the progress of the movement.

We have been strong because our leadership and our meme has been somewhat, from an outside perspective, ambiguous. Now, finally, or geolocality is in line with the pan global movement. Until now they have been able to drive to the park and see who we are. They just did away with that advantage. Now we look like you. Now we sound like you.

To quote Fight Club

“Look, the people you are after are the people you depend on
We cook your meals
We haul your trash
We connect your calls
We drive your ambulances
We guard you while you sleep
Do not # with us

We guard you while you sleep
Do not # with us

Do not # with us"

Are you going to recognize us now? Do you think we all look like unemployed hippies camping in a park on the West side somewhere? Good. You wont see this coming……

Tsun Tsu
Chapter I - 24. Attack your enemy where he is unprepared, appear where he does not expect you.

Originally posted by GeorgiaGirl

Originally posted by generik
new york should have to pay for all the gear they are currently trashing. they easily could have kept them out them brought them in to collect their gear. there is NO NEED to trash private property

now i don't back them but this is JUST SO WRONG

OWS should have to pay for all of the stuff they trashed and all of the costs they have racked up on the cites around the country.

as long as YOUR bank account isn't affected, you mean :shk:

Originally posted by SavedOne

Originally posted by MathiasAndrew
It's not because of a few lazy hippies why the housing markets crashed and almost everybody who owned property now owes more than the property is worth.

That's right, it's not the fault of the government or "big banks" either. It's the fault of every single person that bought a home they couldn't afford, or overpaid for a home on the thin hope that "some day" it'll be worth more than they paid for it. It's greed and stupidity. I can't believe the number of stories, mostly out of CA, of people who bought homes they couldn't afford by getting "interest only" loans. Masses of people getting loans that can never be paid off, because all they're paying is the interest on the loan, never the principal. What moron does such a thing??? And then there are the many, many people who refinanced their home when the interest rates went down, and instead of using it to lower their payments or shorten their mortgage term, they TOOK CASH OUT!?! I just have zero sympathy for all these people who thought they could take advantage of the "system" and now find themselves victims of their own greed.

TRANSLATION = they were asking for it , just like any other rape victim
cause the banksters were just doing it out of the goodness of their shriveled little stock-tickers COUGH i meant hearts

reply to post by antar


might i point out, and to add to the revolution or not debate:

Revolution is merely the excretory function of LEVIATHAN

it's a bit hard and quite a hassle to dump the crap when you're constipated

but if you don't give up and keep pushing you'll succeed.

the alternative is to do nothing, let the toxic build-up kill you, and then when you die it'll all come out

reply to post by PapaKrok


i ws wondering when i was going to start seeing FC quotes, this is something i've been talking to people about a lot lately.
a little worried
and very scared
about where this all could go

but i guess, in Tyler we trust.

Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger

Originally posted by GeorgiaGirl

Originally posted by generik
new york should have to pay for all the gear they are currently trashing. they easily could have kept them out them brought them in to collect their gear. there is NO NEED to trash private property

now i don't back them but this is JUST SO WRONG

OWS should have to pay for all of the stuff they trashed and all of the costs they have racked up on the cites around the country.

as long as YOUR bank account isn't affected, you mean :shk:

ALL of our bank accounts, by way of wasted taxpayer money, HAVE been affected, so you can hop right off of your moral high horse.

Now, if I was camping out in a park, and they told me that if I didn't have my stuff out of there by a certain time it would be trashed, and I didn't comply, and they trashed my stuff...just WHOSE fault would that be?