Teen arrested for rape of 5-year-old in McDonald's play area

reply to post by Dystopiaphiliac


Actually you don't just naturally grow out of something like this, A act like this shows a sick twisted child who has been driven to do this, either through imitation, or from being molested himself. The child knew what he was doing, so he damn well can own up to his punishment.

Originally posted by Tindalos2013
This young lad is going to get violence visited upon him now that people know what he looks like. And he will deserve it. There will be no escape for this one. Who knows he might even be found dead.

edit on 12-11-2011 by Tindalos2013 because: changed what I wrote.

It sounds like you wish it upon him. How does that make you any better than him. Didn't a humble man once say an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind? Hope is only utterly lost when you give up completely.

I think kids/people have been molesting children and each other since the beginning of time. To blame this on anything other then poor choice by the boy and most likely horrible parenting by the parents would be a travesty. What I mean is this was happening long before TV, Internet, Movies, Books, or Video Games.

Don't make the mistake of believing this is somehow the fault of entertainment media.

In my opinion.

Originally posted by Nobama
reply to post by Dystopiaphiliac

 

Actually you don't just naturally grow out of something like this, A act like this shows a sick twisted child who has been driven to do this, either through imitation, or from being molested himself. The child knew what he was doing, so he damn well can own up to his punishment.

People CAN change. Take a look at the norwegian prison system if you don't believe. So by your understanding this child has been subjected to so much sexual trauma that he himself raped a little girl, and you give him a noose. Does this child really know what he's doing? Does he really understand the implications of what he did? Reality is a scary and confusing place and none of us will understand it fully before our inevitable deaths, but I would rather do everything I can to help this boy out of a dark and frightening place in his life and realize how atrocious his actions really were. I'm sure you would rather call him broken and line up a body bag.

While reading this thread I keep finding myself shaking my head. Whether the 13 year old has a past history of abuse or he has something else going on is not even the issue as far as I see it. 13 is more than old enough to know rape is wrong.force is wrong, I am a survivor of childhood sexual abuse and I can guarantee you the boy knew it was wrong. My attackers ranged in age from 11 thru 15ish and I know good and well the 11 year old even know what happened was wrong. There is no excuse at 13 for sure. Even if the child was a victim himself, he is still in the wrong and needs the punishment that comes with his action. Let me put it this way...since I was attacked does it mean I should be allowed to do whatever I want because I don't know better. That doesn't mean I don't feel for him if he is an abuse victim but at what point does "pity" and excuses fall for the reality of right or wrong and having a conscience.

As for those who have commented that this may very well affect the girl in her future, all I can say is I don't see how it won't. I can't speak about the extent as each person is different but this will follow her to some degree. Some issues may pop up immediately but so much gets buried when you are that young and that buried emotion seems to always be bubbling underneath, you don't know why it is there but you know something is there. I just feel for the little girl she had no choice. The boy may or may not be an abuse victim but he had a choice. That is my 2 cents...plain and simple

This world is going to hell in a hand basket, this would never have occurred in the 40's or 50's! Something about our society right now is corrupting young minds. What that is precisely, I'm not certain.

Originally posted by L00kingGlass
This world is going to hell in a hand basket, this would never have occurred in the 40's or 50's! Something about our society right now is corrupting young minds. What that is precisely, I'm not certain.

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but Molestation, Rape and Paedophilia have been going on a lot longer than you would like to believe.

The only difference between now and a long long time ago, is that it gets reported and investigated more then in did in times of old.

What the hell is wrong with you people? When I was 13 I didn't even know how to masturbate, and now you're going to attack a 13 year old boy? He is a Child... Yes he may have had sexual contact with a little girl 8 years younger than him... Women marry men 15 + years older than them, how is your logic relevant? what makes it any different? are you people insane? I'm assuming because of his young age he knows nothing about the law... He probably didn't even know he was doing anything wrong... Why be so harsh on a child? how do you know the little girl didn't ask him to touch her? He should not be charged with any criminal charges, but should see a counselor. Yes, it may have been wrong but did the 13 year old boy know it was wrong probably not... So what, who cares? You're going to die I'm going to to die we're all humans we all make mistakes.He had no idea what he was doing. trial him as an adult? he has barley reached puberty...

Originally posted by Afterl1fe
What the hell is wrong with you people? When I was 13 I didn't even know how to masturbate, and now you're going to attack a 13 year old boy? He is a Child... Yes he may have had sexual contact with a little girl 8 years younger than him... Women marry men 15 + years older than them, how is your logic relevant? what makes it any different? are you people insane? I'm assuming because of his young age he knows nothing about the law... He probably didn't even know he was doing anything wrong... Why be so harsh on a child? how do you know the little girl didn't ask him to touch her? He should not be charged with any criminal charges, but should see a counselor. Yes, it may have been wrong but did the 13 year old boy know it was wrong probably not... So what, who cares? You're going to die I'm going to to die we're all humans we all make mistakes.He had no idea what he was doing. trial him as an adult? he has barley reached puberty...

The fact that you didn't even know how to masturbate at 13, doesn't make a situation such as this any less real. Some boys mature faster than others.

He's 13, of course he would know what he was doing is wrong, If he doesn't know right from wrong at that age, especially in terms of touching up little girls.... then well, that's very worrying.

When you say women marry men, 15 plus years older than them. Yes they do. But when they do they are usually mature adults in body and mind. That's a very big difference to a boy of 13, messing around with a 5 year old girls private parts. You're comparing apples to oranges.

It's very doubtful that the 5 year old girl said "Hey kid, come over here and touch my private parts and let me touch yours"......She's 5 for christ sake! If there was a slither of chance that this is how it happened, then the 13 year old should of said "Hell no".

I personally don't agree with everyone saying that he should be physically castrated etc, but i do think that he needs some serious help and needs to be punished accordingly. Whether he's tried as an adult or not, that's upto the judge to decide.

reply to post by AnotherAccount


what the hell is worse than raping a five year old girl?

i can't really think of anything much worse than that. enlighten me.

oh and at 13, you're not a child anymore and you can take some responsibility for your actions.

if he was seriously abused himself, then maybe some leniency and rehabilitation. AFTER appropriate punishment.

if not, then there's the beginnings of a rapist at work, and something very serious needs to be done about it. removal from society, strict discipline, segregation, whatever it takes until those mental problems are sorted out.

i read a clockwork orange, and i had NO sympathy for the main character. yes, if chemical castration is what it takes to stop that behaviour, then it should be done.

either way, people that start along this road - whatever the initial causes - tend to reoffend and reoffend again.

at some point you have to say enough is enough, and not let them go around hurting people. even if they have been hurt themselves. it's NO excuse imo...

as far as paediphilia goes, well it's one of nature's glitches.

monkeys and koalas do it. the males will mistake a younger male or female monkey or koala for a female - because they lack the male scent glands (in the case of koalas).

so it's basically nature going wrong and no surprise that it's present in the human population as well.

Instead of screeching about how evil sick and sadistic this sort of behaviour is - and sure, i'm not saying it isn't - people need to recognise there's a biological PROBLEM going on here, and these people need to be dealt with effectively.

generally it's not controllable by them, so chemical castration might be a solution. but it needs careful looking into.

saying you're gonna hang them or whatever IS NOT GOING TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM which has been going on as ppl note, for millenia.

invent a pill that makes the incorrect biological impulse go away; or think of some solution to the problem that will work.

Originally posted by rapunzel222
reply to post by AnotherAccount

 

what the hell is worse than raping a five year old girl?

i can't really think of anything much worse than that. enlighten me.

hm.. killing or physically harming a 5 year old? In no way do I want to diminish the seriousness of this crime, but some overreacting people here seem to consider rape a worst crime ever. There surely are worse crimes.

Originally posted by targeting

Originally posted by litterbaux
This boy should be sterilized, his mother and father should also be sterilized. This behavior is sick. This is primal behavior that needs to be cleansed from the society.

End of story.

His mother and father? How do you know that this is their fault? Don't you think you're being too harsh? Also can a 13 really be held responsible for something like this? Personally I don't believe the government should ever be able to sterilize someone against their will.

edit on 12-11-2011 by targeting because: (no reason given)

13 is old enough to know what you're doing is wrong, proof of this is the fact other 13 year olds don't go around raping actual kids.

reply to post by rapunzel222

Instead of screeching about how evil sick and sadistic this sort of behaviour is - and sure, i'm not saying it isn't - people need to recognise there's a biological PROBLEM going on here, and these people need to be dealt with effectively.

Sure, castration. Perhaps a swift merciful death.

reply to post by Veritas1


In my new job I have encountered a house where a guy lived that raped an 8 year old girl. He is in his forties, he got sentenced a couple of days ago. He got 6 years! He will be out in three years with good behaviour...

Disgusting, that isn't justice. Justice would be life...

Originally posted by Wide-Eyes
reply to post by Veritas1

 

In my new job I have encountered a house where a guy lived that raped an 8 year old girl. He is in his forties, he got sentenced a couple of days ago. He got 6 years! He will be out in three years with good behaviour...

Disgusting, that isn't justice. Justice would be life...

I consider 6 years for rape to be a bit on the lower end of the spectrum. But life would be a serious overkill, even for murder people not always get life. That is not justice, IMHO.

reply to post by BohemianBrim


The excuse of "being a child"....hmmm. This boy is 13 years old. He knew what he did was wrong. He was an opportunist. He most likely has been thinking about something like this and this was his chance.

I am proud to see your line of thinking. Society demonizes this behavior when it's really a part of ourselves and their should be some sort of organization set up to deal with sexual dysfunction instead of sending everyone to jail to support an industry Of crime

Well here's another story about a young boy raping someone.
All I can say is that this stuff simply did not happen when i was a kid, you would NEVER hear of a child being charged with or held responsible for anything sexual:

apps.facebook.com... _action_types=news.reads

Whats going on when a 14 year old kid can be charged with child pornography for taking a picture of themselves and sending it to another 14 yr old. They don't know much about sex and are just exploring it, pretty much for the first time and WHAM, your labelled as a pedophile for life. How is this going to effect the minds of the youth?
What is going on in the minds of the people prosecuting these things??
The above stated scenario has occurred so many times in the last few years, a couple of kids trying to understand something, intending it to be private and personal and with no intent to harm get treated like they have committed a war crime. What is going on that the legal establishment knows and we do not? because to re-act so extremely to this sort of thing there must be some kind of reasoning behind it. or is it simply a matter of someone dedicating their life to the study of law and deciding that they must have all the answers because of it?
I'm not saying what the kid in the OP done isn't wrong because clearly it is but wouldn't intensive therapy be a better first step towards dealing with the problem?.
Also, it has been proven that a childs mind simply does not function the same way as an adult, the reasoning behind a child taking on adult responsibilities is gonna be alot different to the reasoning used by an adult.

Execution and life imprisonment are just other ways in which society sweeps things into the 'too hard' basket. If there is a problem then find a solution that prevents the problem from occuring again don't just ignore it and hope that it goes away