New guy here, want the truth of wmd's?

Originally posted by robomont
welcome,yes they delete .especially new photos of new stealth planes.got to see one on here five minutes before they deleted it.it was from farm seven.i saved it.lol.this is a cia site so dont give out too much info.once you get to nosing around ,you will see.be wary and sleep well.

Any chance I can get you to email that to me?

reply to post by ColdestVisionz


IMHO a blister agent is not an WMD? We had both blister agents and white phosphorus (willy pete) and napalm in Vietnam. White phosphorus and napalm are much more destructive than a blister agent. When I think of WMD I think of bombs filled with the ebola virus, or a neutron bomb, or hydrogen bomb, or any other biological agents you can think of. Biological concerns me the most, because it is a slow death. Just my opinion mind you.

welcome to ATS thanks for serving, and how soon we forget that we did sell C.A.B's arms to Iraq in the1980's, could have been some old stock pile left by Rumsfeld, with a"here is a gift from RWR old Gip, sadly it is from the new "there" side www.iranchamber.com... from the link

October, 1983. The Reagan Administration begins secretly allowing Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Egypt to transfer United States weapons, including Howitzers, Huey helicopters, and bombs to Iraq. These shipments violated the Arms Export Control Act. [16]

was the sale of CAB's out right, "wet eyes" or was the chems and the know how only sold, Three people know the truth and one is dead, will we ever know the real truth , with hard evidence ?

reply to post by ColdestVisionz


your story is screwed up i was in the military as well. And first CAB is not how the military designates chemical ordinance and they never have a flag on them. Next the most typical nerve agent Saddam had was from Germany not the United States. I would go into how the military make there munitions but that would just help you alter your story for next time.

PS welcome to ATS and one more thing there are alot of people here with alot of information Oh one other thing as well the US has never put chemical munitions in missiles its not practical. Especially for blister agents.

reply to post by ColdestVisionz


Thank you for your service, Brother, and welcome to ATS.

Although, with further thought and research, gotta cal BS on this. Weapons designation all wrong, Also, weapons aren't imprinted in such a manner.

We have sold them, but those ain't them.

Originally posted by mobiusmale

Originally posted by ColdestVisionz
They told us he was found, supposedly he got lost... impossible. You don't go anywhere unless you are ordered too. It just so happens, he was lost after he went to test just what those weapons were. we never saw him again... he was a friend. I hope that they did not murder him.

Okay...so, in order to add some credence to your claims, what was your friend's name?

I am sure we can find some information about this lost/murdered correspondent.

I think he was using NBC in the military designation style. Nuclear, Biological, Chemical. It's CBRN nowadays, since they added Radiological to it. But yeah, probably not talking about a correspondent.

On an unrelated note....why is this in the Aliens forum?

I'm not saying that this did or did not happen - all I am saying is that the weapons might not have been genuine because of the rigid system used by the US (and all NATO members) to ensure chemical munitions are easily identifiable. The body is painted light grey (olive drab=explosive, black=HEAT, red=incendiary, etc) with all markings stencilled in dark green. They have either 1 or 2 green bands (designating the duration of effectiveness) or a broken green band (designating a binary fill eg VX nerve gas). The lettering applied is standardised throughout NATO. First is the chemical fill - eg HD (sulfur mustard). Then the effect on detonation (eg GAS). The remaining information relates to the caliber and the production details (lot suffix, sequence, interfix, month & year of production, manufacturer etc). There are never any flag-type markings applied.

Soviet-supplied chemical munitions would be marked with 1 or 2 green bands, and their fill designated by a code system eg P5=mustard, P10=phosgene, PC=Lewisite. They also did not use flags or other symbols.

A picture of genuine US mustard shells (155mm) can be seen here: c0365781.cdn2.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com...

The greenish-band lower down the body of the munition is not a marking, it is the copper driving band used to engage the rifling and spin-stabilize the munition.

If this happened, then it was either a poor attempt to false-flag older weapons or a bluff. Most of Iraq's mustard gas was provided by Egypt or manufactured by Iraqi plants. They had been using it since the early 80s in their war against Iran. Chemical tests at the time showed that the process used to manufacture their blister agents was not the one used by the US or the UK. Mustard gas requires 1 of 3 precursors - ethylene, vinyl chloride or thiodiglycol - and while the US and UK used ethylene, the Iraqi weapons were manufactured using thiodiglycol.

No facts, no names, lacking logic.

A lot of you are just cheering him because he claims to have 'served'.

It would seriously surprise me Saddam didn't have some nasty weapons. So does the US. Shall we all invade them?

Besides, it could just aswell have been planted there by the CIA or some other agency, as an extra decoy, in case it were needed.

Hollow words are hollow. No offense meant.

Originally posted by RedGod

Originally posted by mobiusmale

Originally posted by ColdestVisionz
They told us he was found, supposedly he got lost... impossible. You don't go anywhere unless you are ordered too. It just so happens, he was lost after he went to test just what those weapons were. we never saw him again... he was a friend. I hope that they did not murder him.

Okay...so, in order to add some credence to your claims, what was your friend's name?

I am sure we can find some information about this lost/murdered correspondent.

I think he was using NBC in the military designation style. Nuclear, Biological, Chemical. It's CBRN nowadays, since they added Radiological to it. But yeah, probably not talking about a correspondent.

On an unrelated note....why is this in the Aliens forum?

Okay, fair enough.

But, either way, he has not come back on here to provide a name. So, I can only assume there is no missing or dead NBC guy...because this is a hoax post...a flight of fantasy by the OP.

I am a Vietnam Vet and I dont believe there was a flag on the WMDs. But this is to much. Notice her words all this for a flag. #ing bitch. www.youtube.com...​=_OCjMaWZKWU




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Originally posted by veteranguy
I am a Vietnam Vet and I dont believe there was a flag on the WMDs. But this is to much. Notice her words all this for a flag. #ing bitch. www.youtube.com...​=_OCjMaWZKWU




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Michelle Obama says something about the flag to BO and then smirks and shakes her head. What is it she is saying. Some lip readers are saying she says - "all...

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I have no idea what you are trying to say.

reply to post by Gseven


"Something deeper was going on"?

Yeah, like Blister Gas with a US flag on the side isn't going to HELP the administration in it's pitch for war. If WMDs are so bad, you'd be bombing Philadelphia along with Baghdad.

Those old canisters were probably lost in the piles of other munitions because they are essentially worthless in a real battle and because the are TOO OLD to be used for anything but a TV story today.

Bush sent about 40 Iraqi families back to infiltrate and find WMD production in Iraq -- and came up with nothing. They had numerous attempts to GET "WMD stories" in the media with the Lincoln Group pushing stories with Rupert's papers in Australia --- once the US media reported what "other media" was saying -- it was suddenly a news story. Why create WMD stories if they had WMDs they could trot out?

The US Flags, the US source on the chemicals, and the response by ANY honest expert in the field that they weren't a threat,... sometimes no WMDs are better than harmless WMDs with our name on them.

Originally posted by mobiusmale
Okay, fair enough.

But, either way, he has not come back on here to provide a name. So, I can only assume there is no missing or dead NBC guy...because this is a hoax post...a flight of fantasy by the OP.

Yeah, that's what I figure too.

BS!!!!

For so many reasons this thread has to be chucked into the hoax bin, anyone with just a modicum of common sense can work out that the OP’s claims are lies. Sorry to be so blunt but please let me explain.

First of all the OP’s narrative has a number of holes in it, for a start I find it very difficult to believe that the US military would just let a bunch of Iraqi’s drive up to a military gate with a “truck full of WMD’s”. The risk of that would be massive, you don’t just turn up with a trunk full of WMD’s, anything could have happened they could have detonated them and killed thousands of American troops. Even if it wasn’t at a main HQ it still would never have happened, how did these officers get pass the Republican guard, if they got caught be either side they would have been shot on site and then to turn up with . At best the officers would have defected to the side of America by surrendering and then offer their absolute assistance by providing American intelligence with the location of the WMD’s in return for American protection. Special Forces would then attack the compound to liberate the weapons, which would then be presented in front of the world media as proof that the war was justifiable as the Bush administration had been saying all along with in the first week of the invasion.

This “truck load of WMD’s” however is the real sucker for me, really a truck load of missiles containing dangerous chemical weapons just chucked in the back of a truck. Then the OP goes on to say that the weapons were taken away at night be a Blackhawk full of Special Forces. “A” Blackhawk, that just isn’t possible, a Blackhawk could not be full of Special Forces but also have several missiles that were carried by truck in the back. All those guys and all those missiles just would not fit inside a Blackhawk and this casts major doubt over the rest of the OP’s story. I find it very hard to believe that they would send “A” Blackhawk, a couple of Chinooks and some gunship support yes, but a single loan Blackhawk no way.

Then we have the details of these alleged missiles that also do not make any sense. The OP tells us that on the side of these missiles the acronym “CAB” sat with an American flag next to it. CAB according to the OP is military jargon for “Chemical Agent Blister”, this is grammatically incorrect it should be “Chemical Blister Agent” and have the acronym “CBA”. In any case this point is mute because to boldly write Chemical Agent Blister or “CAB” on the side of the missile just does not make any sense as if this weapon was American it would have simply read “H”, the American designation for Mustard Gas, CAB is not an American Blister agent designation. I also find it hard to believe that these were missiles, under Saddam the only missile systems he had capable of delivering a Chemical warhead was the Scud-B and the Al Hussein missile, they don’t fit into a single truck let alone a Blackhawk. Saddam did however have Mustard gas shells however the OP’s narrative does specify missiles and an experienced “veteran” knows the difference.

Then there is also the use of the American flag, I am not going to deny that America and the west assisted Iraq during the 1980’s with the acquisition of Chemical Weapon technology but does anyone really believe that they would be as stupid to paint the flag of Uncle Sam on the side of these missiles. What would happen if one of them had ended landing in Israel or in Saudi-Arabia? there is no chance in hell America would have ever supplied weapons with an American flag stamped onto the side the risk of all out war is just to grate.

On top of all of this we have this story about the “NBC guy” being kidnapped without so much as a name for any of us to look up or a source to check this out. speaking of sources the OP has provided none, we are expected to believe all this based on nothing more than his testimony that so far as I have explained is so full of holes it is impossible for anyone of sound mind to believe any of it.

In short the story about these Iraqi’s turning up makes no sense, what the OP said about the Blackhawk is just not possible, munitions are not marked in the way the OP claims, he is probably taking about the wrong kind of munitions in any case and to top it all has not sources or anything to corroborate his claims. In short this is a hoax.

And, that was the other side of the coin.

First I'd like to say that there are a number of "blister" agents of which mustard .


From FM 3-11.9

Blister Agents

Agent Symbol
Distilled Mustard H/HD
Nitrogen Mustard HN-1, HN-2, HN-3
Mustard-T Mixture HT
Sesqui Mustard Q
Lewisite L
Mustard-Lewisite Mixture HL
Phenyldichloroarsine PD
Ethyldichloroarsine ED
Methyldichloroarsine MD
Phosgene Oxime CX


Notice no "CAB" and ANY weaponized WMD is going to be clearly marked as to exactly what it is.



Secondly, The OP may have only been witness to 1 Blackhawk with SF and did not see/hear any other incoming airfraft because of orders to stay inside vehicles or to move out... You never know.

On the other hand, I can't say they'd fly in a bunch of SF guys to deal with possible Chemical weapons when you have an Armored Cavalry unit on site.

And why am I qualified to speak on the subject?

I am intimatley familiar with the Cavalry. I graduated the Basic Reconnaisance Course at Fort Knox, KY in Feb 1991 earning my Crossed Sabers and the title Cavalry Scout.

I was immediately deployed with the 11th Armored Cavalry Regiment to SW Asia. During most of my tour with the 11th ACR I was assigned to "Operations" also known as S-3.

In 1995, I was assigned to the 2nd ACR at Fort Polk, LA. I was assigned the following positions during my tour with the 2nd ACR. Gunner, Training Room NCO, NBC NCO, CO Driver.

I attended the NBC Defense Course at Fort Polk in 1997.

I was Honorably Discharged in 1999.


I was going to wait for the OP to ask my MOS question because I have a suspicion that he is talking out his ass and there is nothing I despise more than a pretender.

Im not going to call fact or fiction till I see some proof because any one can slap a bio hazard sticker on a septic tank and call it a ATOM BOMB. Could of been a ploy by the IRG?

Welcome....


One thing about your story.....we don't put American flags on the side of bombs, and I doubt we would on illegal WMDs.... good story though

reply to post by ColdestVisionz


Welcome to ATS and thanks for the interesting post. Fake wars created for the war economy.

no flag no story just some PR post, good sifi i might say but must add BS for here is a pick of a real weteye bomb www.cma.army.mil... from this link, could not find other nerve agent or "Blister" bombs to post www.cma.army.mil...

Originally posted by TechniXcality
reply to post by Fury1984

 

coming from one infantry combat soldier to a fraud, uh bull sh**.. Have fun at ATS though happy pretend vet day

edit on 11-11-2011 by TechniXcality because: (no reason given)

Jumped the gun. I corrected my mistake.