Muslims against crusades - BANNED (UK)

reply to post by Aeons

Truth. It'll set you free

...........Or set you on fire.

reply to post by Freeborn


something tells me that Teresa May helped MAC from getting into a fight with this lot:

www.thesun.co.uk...

reply to post by Soldier81


This may surprise some, especially with me being a fiercely proud Englishman and supporter of The Union.....but my Grandparents were from The Republic and I was nominally raised Catholic.
In addition I actively support Celtic F.C.

I have many friend in Glasgow and around Scotland.

When I go to watch Celtic I meet up with quite a large group of Celtic fans and have a great time.
The vast majority of them disapprove of the sectarianism that is quite prevalent throughout Scottish football and dislike the singing of Rebel songs etc.
They are to a man disgusted at the anti-poppy sentiments expressed by a section of Celtic supporters.

Originally posted by Aeons
So they support largely the things that are specifically outlined as being okay by their scholars....but not an iota more.

That's of course, EXACTLY THE POINT.

Behave yourself.

I'm not religious, and I think that women ( and men, for that matter ) should be allowed to wear whatever they want; I believe that a position of employment should be gained on a meritocratic basis, so race, sex, nationality, etc., shouldn't even come in to it; I don't believe in any kind of state-sponsored marriage, so divorce - in its legal context - should not exist.

So, why do you interpret the results of that poll as British Muslims slavishly following the words of Islamic scholars ? Even so most British non-Muslims would have echoed the poll results ? Are the non-Muslims also unquestioningly accepting the opinion of an Islamic scholar ?

You are clearly fearful and paranoid of Muslims, and you've developed a complex. But that's your problem - not ours.

reply to post by TruthxIsxInxThexMist


What crime had they actually committed?

Surely being arrested to 'prevent a breach of the peace' implies that no actual crime had yet been committed but The Police thought there MIGHT be - surely that's not legal and if it is it's pretty damn worrying and quite a threat to ALL of our civil liberties?

Think I'll have to make a few phone calls.

reply to post by Soldier81


I'm guessing that you're a teddy bear, but it's still a bizarre situation on match-days in Glasgow.

Parkhead is full of Irish tricolors, and a few other flags of supposed ''oppressed'' nations, such as Palestine and the Basque Country.

Ibrox is just full of Union Flags, but hardly any St. Andrew's Crosses.

reply to post by mr-lizard


Here's another good example of you how sharia loving filthy scumbags are RUINING Europe. Makes me sick. All people that believe in religion are ignorant nut-bags, but these people are top of the nut-bag list.

Europe better stand up and do something before they get overrun by these people (whose goal is to do EXACTLY THAT, OVER RUN AND TAKE OVER). Next will be America.

Muslims ruin wherever they live....

The video above speaks for itself.

reply to post by TruthxIsxInxThexMist


They just said on BBC News At Six that the 170 were arrested over concerns they were 'planning to target an anti-capitalist camp'.....????

So 'concerns' are enough to get someone arrested nowadays?

If true, wtf has an anti-capitalist protest got to do with the stated aims of EDL?
And how disrespectful on today of all days?

It all seems a bit strange to me and not quite right.

Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by Soldier81

 

This may surprise some, especially with me being a fiercely proud Englishman and supporter of The Union.....but my Grandparents were from The Republic and I was nominally raised Catholic.
In addition I actively support Celtic F.C.

I have many friend in Glasgow and around Scotland.

When I go to watch Celtic I meet up with quite a large group of Celtic fans and have a great time.
The vast majority of them disapprove of the sectarianism that is quite prevalent throughout Scottish football and dislike the singing of Rebel songs etc.
They are to a man disgusted at the anti-poppy sentiments expressed by a section of Celtic supporters.

To be fair it doesn't surprise me at all buddy, As I said before your average Anti-Brit brigade are born and raised in Glasgow with no links to Ireland except through the team that they support, However I stand by what I said they need to be targeted, I don't care if these people are born on the moon with purple skin, anyone who spouts anti British bile whilst living in Britain needs to be a target for the authorities and they need to come down hard.

I received a message earlier from a friend telling me that a war memorial had been vandalised in Kirkconnel.
OK this was not in Glasgow but he told me that it had been painted with P.I.R.A,

Sickening act and the vandals should be hammered if caught, BBC Scotland have reported the vandalism but have chosen not to say what was painted on the memorial.

www.bbc.co.uk...

Wasn't Britain accused of harboring dozens of terrorists groups for years ? With HQ in London and all ?
Aren't those elements causing trouble now and preaching words of hate ?

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by deanx
We need more outstanding poll-men like Mr.ollncasinos in our organization. Mr.ollncasinos, feel free to contact us at:
www.talkingoutofmyass.org

Yet another 'expert' who has been hoisted on his own petard!

Rahman had been the local party's choice of candidate after taking legal action against his previous exclusion from two shortlists, only to be removed by Labour's national executive committee following allegations of membership irregularities, vote-rigging, intimidation and the assertion that he had been "brainwashed" by the Islamic Forum of Europe. Rahman denies all the claims.

Source: The Guardian

www.guardian.co.uk...

You are so sure that you are correct but yet you are so wrong.

Excuse me if I take everything you write in the future with a large pinch of salt.

This is only a suggestion, but how about you and Sherlock Holmes actually know something about what you are talking about before you comment?

Just a thought.

edit on 11-11-2011 by ollncasino because: grammar

Hey! Listen, I'm very excited!!
"Excited?" you ask? Indeed i am!
"Why?" you ask? Because i am going to teach you a brand new word today, my good sir!
"What word would that be?" You ask? the new word you'll be learning today is......"Allegations" !
Now, since evidently you like links, i'll provide you with not one but three different definitions with links of the very mysterious outlandish word :"Allegation".
Here we go,

-al·le·ga·tion
   /ˌælɪˈgeɪʃən/[al-i-gey-shuhn]
noun
1) an assertion made with little or no proof.
dictionary.reference.com...

2) A statement asserting something without proof.
www.thefreedictionary.com...

3) an assertion unsupported and by implication regarded as unsupportable.
www.merriam-webster.com...

Here you go, a free English lesson for you my good sir.

Of course, if you're the kind of individual that would consider "unsupportable claims with no proof" as fact and reality as long as it fits in their own personal agenda of bigotry and hate, then I'll assume that these baseless, unsupported allegations are in fact true.
So? does that make all British Muslims bad? To you, that's more than enough i assume.
You know, it's quite ironic that these allegations that you're clinging on too tight, are in fact made by another Muslim, Helal Abbas ( i know you folks get shivers when you hear the word "Helal" hahaha )
So, if those allegations were to be true, then both the good guy and the bad guy would be Muslim. Painful, huh?

Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes
The cultural moderates amongst the white English community wouldn't touch the EDL with a barge-pole. Just as most British Muslims would baulk at the rhetoric that the MAC spews forth.

Yet strangely, many British people support what the EDL stand for.

"If a new party was set up that wants to defend the English, create an English parliament, control immigration, challenge Islamic extremism, restrict the building of Mosques and make all public buildings fly the George Cross or the Union Jack."

21% definitely support it
27% consider supporting it
10% undecided
15% probably not support it 2
7% definitely not support it

www.fearandhope.org.uk... www.fearandhope.org.uk...

Oh by the way, before you get your knickers in a twist about the source (and make a t**t of yourself, again) the source is Searchlight.

reply to post by Soldier81


I despise The Provos and all they stand for with a burning rage.

I find it both sad and disheartening that there is still an amount of sectarian bigotry within Scottish, and of course Irish, society even to this day.
I have many good friends on both sides of the divide.

I thought it was creeping into England a few years ago but gladly it seems to have abated.

I think this discussion is probably best left for another thread as it is starting to get slightly off topic.

Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by TruthxIsxInxThexMist

 

They just said on BBC News At Six that the 170 were arrested over concerns they were 'planning to target an anti-capitalist camp'.....????

So 'concerns' are enough to get someone arrested nowadays?

If true, wtf has an anti-capitalist protest got to do with the stated aims of EDL?
And how disrespectful on today of all days?

It all seems a bit strange to me and not quite right.

I doubt very much that this was the reason for their arrests... i would say that this EDL would be FOR the anti-capitalists not against them.... na, they were definately going to meet up with MAC and there was gonna be a mass fight!!

Thats cwhat i reckon anyway.

reply to post by mr-lizard


I can see the burning of the flag as offensive but I do not understand the burning of poppies...
I am from the States so I'm just a little ignorant on this matter. Does it represent something offensive?

People in the west are seriously mentally ill. They have no problem & support NATO attacking other countries based on lies, killing millions of innocent people and also happily support politicians who ban freedom & subjugate democracy, but they draw the line when people protest by burning poppies and flags. Ignorance for some is truly bliss.

Could be worse, at least they are not burning innocent civilians, which is something NATO loves to do.

I no longer have any respect for the UK. I would sooner wipe my arse with the union jack than wave it, because it stands for absolutely nothing. It's just another reminder of how our morals, ethics and honour now reside in the gutter. Welcome to the UK.

Originally posted by deanx
Of course, if you're the kind of individual that would consider "unsupportable claims with no proof" as fact and reality as long as it fits in their own personal agenda of bigotry and hate, then I'll assume that these baseless, unsupported allegations are in fact true.

Then you had better contact Labour's national executive committee and tell them to stop making all of those allegations of membership irregularities, vote-rigging, intimidation and links with Islamic extrmists.

www.guardian.co.uk...

And while you are at it, tell that nasty Labour MP Mr Fitzpatrick, to stop making allegations that Islamic extremists have infiltrated the East London Labour party.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

My sources?

The Labour party's National Executive and The Ex-minister Mr Fitzpatrick as reported by the Guardian and The Telegraph.

What should you have learned today?

That just because you don't like the source of a message, doesn't mean that it is neccessarily untrue.

What have you learned today?

Probably nothing.

Originally posted by deanx
So? does that make all British Muslims bad?

Of course it doesn't.

But it also doesn't mean that British Islamic extremists don't exist either.

War veteran's grandson tells court he felt sick after seeing Muslim protesters burn replica poppies on Armistice Day

www.guardian.co.uk...

Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by TruthxIsxInxThexMist

 

What crime had they actually committed?

Surely being arrested to 'prevent a breach of the peace' implies that no actual crime had yet been committed but The Police thought there MIGHT be - surely that's not legal and if it is it's pretty damn worrying and quite a threat to ALL of our civil liberties?

Think I'll have to make a few phone calls.

You could say the same about MAC.
whether AC has links or other members have links to terrorism or not, they were not going to commit any crime.

Same with EDL.. no crime was going to be committed but both groups suffered essentially the same fate... well obviously MAC has actually been banned and to be a member is now a criminal offence, so not quite the same fate...

There is nothing to stop any other Extremist Muslim morons burning poppies on Sunday, much like there is nothing stopping any other Far-Right Moron laying wreaths or attending services.


A "breach of the peace" was anticipated because you have two extremist groups who like to square up to each other and who both have nothing but hate filled ideologies and propaganda to spout off.

I say that it's right to stop these two groups from attending and let those decent, respectful members of society go about remembering and mourning the dead, both today and on Sunday.


Let's not politicise the mourning of our war dead....

I think both groups have valid concerns... although I don't really agree with much either say and I certainly think the way they go about it is all wrong and does only harm and damage, no good can come from either type of mentality.

reply to post by blupblup


I can see your point there blup but as far as I am aware there was no-one around to fight or even argue with?

reply to post by mr-lizard


Fundamentalists...they're the village idiots of the planet. Luckily, they don't represent a majority

And that goes for fundamentalists on all sides by the way.