The Origins of man & the real meaning of religion.

The numbers simply don't add up...

reply to post by MrXYZ


Speaking of numbers NOT ADDING UP have you ever read these before.............

MAJOR FLAWS IN EVOLUTION THEORY..........

sandwalk.blogspot.com...

www.adequacy.org...

creationismunleashed.blogspot.com...

I am assuming that you believe in Darwins' theory. If I am assuming incorrectly then I apologise sincerely.

You also claim that previous links that I have provided are bias psuedo-science ?

Again, those are biased pseudo-scientific links...they don't show facts, they speculate based on preconceived notions.

Interestingly enough, they use the EXACT same procedures and techniques and methods to determine their results as your scientist do to formulate their own. The only difference is that with the "psuedo-scientists" the actual results aren't suppressed and concealed and blatantly lied about.

reply to post by 1king2rulethemall

You also claim that previous links that I have provided are bias psuedo-science ?

Yes, just like the blogs you posted above

For crying out loud, we're actively using the theory to predict future outcomes in modern medicine!!! We couldn't accurately predict future outcomes if the theory were wrong

For crying out loud, we're actively using the theory to predict future outcomes in modern medicine!!!

Are you confusing natural selection with evolution here ?

We couldn't accurately predict future outcomes if the theory were wrong

reply to post by MrXYZ





Speaking of predicting future outcomes ( I am glad that you brought it up).............

May I suggest you look at the prophecy accounts in the Bible. There are roughly 2500 (depending on how they are catagorized) prophecies foretold throughout the scriptures - approximately 2000 (again - depending on how they are catagorized) have been fulfilled with 100% accuracy - never wrong, in every detail (many in very specific detail).
The whole of human history couldn't have been accurately predicted if the Scriptures are wrong ?
(to use your own foundational argument).

reply to post by 1king2rulethemall

Are you confusing natural selection with evolution here ?

No I'm not

May I suggest you look at the prophecy accounts in the Bible. There are roughly 2500 (depending on how they are catagorized) prophecies foretold throughout the scriptures - approximately 2000 (again - depending on how they are catagorized) have been fulfilled with 100% accuracy - never wrong, in every detail (many in very specific detail).
The whole of human history couldn't have been accurately predicted if the Scriptures are wrong ?
(to use your own foundational argument).

If you keep prophecies vague on purpose, they're bound to come true...especially if you edit some prophecies in AFTER they came true. And let's not forget the LOOOOOONG list of failed prophecies in the bible.

As mentioned before, just because something is in the bible doesn't automatically mean it really happened. The exodus of the jews is such an example, or that silly global flood that never happened. The bible tells us what people back then BELIEVED, and not what really happened. To give you an example, "The Wizard of Oz" begins in Kansas, but just because they kinda described Kansas accurately doesn't mean there's talking lions...and the same goes for the bible.

What's even more hilarious is that in the New Testament they sometimes refer to the old one, claiming it was a prophecy...yet there is no mention in the old testament about any of those prophecies

When it comes to applying the theory of evolution in modern medicine, it works accurately without flaw...and of course we have observed it in nature and the lab. But who cares about facts when it's so much easier to blindly believe in religious claims that are demonstrably wrong, no?

reply to post by 1king2rulethemall

you are so bonk.
the whole story of the christian bible DOES not stand up to science or critique. your just all gungho about it because youve vested yourself in it.
im sorry but the council of nicea is not god, and quit peddling your garbage, your helping to make people more stupid

reply to post by 1king2rulethemall


ok but what about self fufilling prophecies.
we know their are many "christians" trying to fufill them. Theres nothing mystical about that. just groups of people acting to fufill them intentionally.

please, just stop peddling your CRAP

If you keep prophecies vague on purpose, they're bound to come true...especially if you edit some prophecies in AFTER they came true. And let's not forget the LOOOOOONG list of failed prophecies in the bible.

reply to post by MrXYZ

proof of the accuracy of the Bible. Many of his prophecies are so detailed and specific that they have long confounded Bible critics.
In fact, some skeptics have not challenged the content of Daniel's prophetic accuracy. Rather than admit that his words are indeed inspired, they have simply labeled his book a fraud. They claim that it was not written by Daniel in the sixth century B.C.—timing which is evident by events written of in the book—but that it was penned by an unknown author in the 160s B.C., long after many of the events prophesied in the book came to pass. This, the critics allege, is the real reason for the book's startling prophetic accuracy!
Daniel's testimony challenges the critics. But let's first consider the nature of the critics' approach. They dispute Daniel's authorship because he refers to himself in the early chapters in the third person, as if writing about someone else. However, as The Expositor's Bible Commentary points out, this "was the custom among ancient authors of historical memoirs ..." (1985, Vol. 7, p. 4). In relating some of his experiences Daniel did write in the first person (Daniel:7:15; 8:15; 9:2; 10:2).
The identity of Daniel's critics is significant as well. The first person to question the authenticity of Daniel's authorship was the Greek scholar and historian Porphyry, who lived A.D. 233-304. He is labeled by historians as a Neoplatonist, which means he subscribed to the doctrines of the Greek philosopher Plato rather than the Bible. "Porphyry is well known as a violent opponent of Christianity and defender of Paganism" (Encyclopaedia Britannica, 11th edition, Vol. 22, p. 104, "Porphyry").
Since Porphyry was an enemy of Christianity, his objectivity is open to question. He had no factual basis for his opinion, and his view contradicted the testimony of Jesus Christ, who referred to Daniel as the author of the book (Matthew:24:15).
The biblical scholar Jerome (A.D. 340-420) refuted Porphyry's contention. Thereafter no one took Porphyry's remarks seriously again until many centuries later. "... He was more or less dismissed by Christian scholarship as a mere pagan detractor who had allowed a naturalistic bias to warp his judgment. But during the time of the Enlightenment in the eighteenth century, all supernatural elements in Scripture came under suspicion ..." (Expositor's, p. 13).
Some of today's scholars with liberal leanings have recycled these centuries- old arguments. Old Testament historian Eugene Merrill says their beliefs are built on feeble evidence. "[Daniel's] rhetoric and language are eminently at home in the sixth century [B.C.] ... It is only on the most subjective and circular lines of evidence that the man and his writing have been denied historicity" (Kingdom of Priests, 1996, p. 484).

The accuracy of Daniel's prophecies of remotely distant events is spectacular. For example, in the "70 weeks" prophecy recorded in Daniel:9:24-27, "Daniel predicts the precise year of Christ's appearance and the beginning of his ministry in A.D. 27" (Expositor's, p. 9).
Another amazing prophecy recorded by Daniel is his interpretation of Nebuchadnezzar's dream in chapter 2. In the second year of his reign the Babylonian king had a troubling dream that none of his counselors could explain. Babylonian culture placed considerable emphasis on dreams, and Nebuchadnezzar was convinced that this one was of great importance (Daniel:2:1-3).
His dream gives us a "disclosure of God's plan for the ages till the final triumph of Christ" and "presents the foreordained succession of world powers that are to dominate the Near East till the final victory of the Messiah in the last days" (Expositor's, pp. 39, 46).
Without prior knowledge of its content, Daniel explained the details of the dream to Nebuchadnezzar: "You, O king, were watching; and behold, a great image! This great image, whose splendor was excellent, stood before you; and its form was awesome. This image's head was of fine gold, its chest and arms of silver, its belly and thighs of bronze, its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of clay" (Daniel:2:31-33).
Daniel told Nebuchadnezzar that his Babylonian Empire was represented by the head of gold (verses 37-38). The silver, bronze and iron components of the image, or statue, represented three powerful empires that were to follow mighty Babylon (verses 39-40).
This interpretation provided an astounding preview of history. Nebuchadnezzar's dream occurred and was interpreted by Daniel about 600 B.C. The image represented, in symbolic form, the sequence of great empires that would dominate the region'

reply to post by MrXYZ

The exodus of the jews is such an example,

You keep stating this claim. You are saying in essence that the ENTIRE JEWISH HISTORY is falsified and inncorrect ?

Here is a link from your favourite source of information TELLING YOU ABOUT THE HISTORICAL RECORD OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE AND THE NATION OF ISRAEL.

en.wikipedia.org...

Please read it through thoroughly so that you will stop saying that the jewish people don't know their own history.

reply to post by MrXYZ

Let me guess my good friend - these are all "psuedo-science" as well huh ?

May I just ask you one simple question ?

CAN YOU TELL ME (AND THE OTHER READERS) WHAT THE BIBLE IS ABOUT SPECIFICALLY ?

Originally posted by 1king2rulethemall
reply to post by autowrench

 

Hmmm. did you find all of the atrocities, murders, incest, and multiple Gods and Goddess in there?
The Gods Of The Bible
How about the absurdities?
Genesis 1:3-5, 14-19: There was light ("night and day") before there was a Sun. If there were no Sun, there would be no night or day. Also, light from the newly created heavenly bodies seems to have reached the earth instantaneously though it now takes thousands or millions of years.

Genesis 4:15: A mark is placed on Cain as a distinctive identifying symbol when there were only three known persons on earth. Who were the people Cain went to live with after the murder of his brother?

Genesis 7:17-19: The flood covered the entire earth at the same time. There is no evidence of a worldwide flood, but rather of many, widespread, but local floods.

Exodus 12:37, Numbers 1:45-46: The number of men of military age who take part in the Exodus is given as about 600,000. Allowing for women, children, and older men would probably mean that a total of more than 2,000,000 Israelites left Egypt at a time when the whole population of Egypt was less than 2,000,000.

There are several hundred more. Did you find any atrocities? I sure did.

Genesis 6:11-17, 7:11-24: God is unhappy with the wickedness of man and decides to do something about it. He kills every living thing on the face of the earth other than Noah's family and thereby makes himself the greatest mass murderer in history.

Genesis 38:9: "... whenever he lay with his brother's wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from producing offspring for his brother. What he did was wicked ..., so the Lord put him to death."

Exodus 12:29: The Lord kills all the first-born in the land of Egypt.

Numbers31:31-40: 32,000 virgins are taken by the Israelites as booty. Thirty-two are set aside (to be sacrificed?) as a tribute for the Lord.

Deuteronomy 22:28-29: If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
(What kind of lunatic would make a rape victim marry her attacker? Answer: God.)

Again, there are several hundred other atrocities in the Bible.
Did you discover the 43 things God hates?
livingtheway.org...

If you did not find these things, you did not read it.

How does this disprove the truth of the Bible ?

HUH???????? REALLY?????

Thats some SERIOUS flaws found in your little "Holy" book that is supposedly "inspired by a perfect divine god".

Anyone who believes such a filthy despicable man-made book after being shown even ONE single such serious flaw, and then asks such a question honestly is painfully thickheaded and delusional to say the least.

And that book contains HUNDREDS of absurdities, contradictions and serious flaws.

Stop listening to those damn-nutter christian websites and the fundamentalist devils who are conning you and start researching for yourself. Its painfully obvious that the book is even a poor despicable piece of trash even for a set of men to have written it, without even considering it to be inspired by some "perfect, divine, god".

Originally posted by 1king2rulethemall
reply to post by MrXYZ

 

The exodus of the jews is such an example,

You keep stating this claim. You are saying in essence that the ENTIRE JEWISH HISTORY is falsified and inncorrect ?

Here is a link from your favourite source of information TELLING YOU ABOUT THE HISTORICAL RECORD OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE AND THE NATION OF ISRAEL.

en.wikipedia.org...

Please read it through thoroughly so that you will stop saying that the jewish people don't know their own history.

Oh, I can read...which is why I realize the bible account is beyond nonsense

According to Exodus 12:37-38 NIV, the Israelites numbered "about six hundred thousand men on foot, besides women and children," plus many non-Israelites and livestock.[9] Numbers 1:46 gives a more precise total of 603,550.[10] The 600,000, plus wives, children, the elderly, and the "mixed multitude" of non-Israelites would have numbered some 2 million people,[11] compared with an entire estimated Egyptian population of around 3 million.[12] Marching ten abreast, and without accounting for livestock, they would have formed a line 150 miles long.[13] No evidence has been found that indicates Egypt ever suffered such a demographic and economic catastrophe or that the Sinai desert ever hosted (or could have hosted) these millions of people and their herds,[14] nor of a massive population increase in Canaan, which is estimated to have had a population of only 50,000 to 100,000 at the time.

The archaeological evidence of the largely indigenous origins of Israel is "overwhelming," and leaves "no room for an Exodus from Egypt or a 40-year pilgrimage through the Sinai wilderness."[21] For this reason, most archaeologists have abandoned the archaeological investigation of Moses and the Exodus as "a fruitless pursuit."

LINK

Archeology doesn't support the exodus at all, which is why only crazy religious fundamentalists claim the exodus really happened

CAN YOU TELL ME (AND THE OTHER READERS) WHAT THE BIBLE IS ABOUT SPECIFICALLY ?

Given that it was written by MEN, I'd say it was pretty much a guide to control the masses, just like pretty much every other religious text. That doesn't mean there isn't some good stuff in there, but it's full of demonstrably wrong stuff....so taking it literally and claiming everything in the bible is the truth when this demonstrably isn't the case is BEYOND DELUSIONAL

Archeology doesn't support the exodus at all, which is why only crazy religious fundamentalists claim the exodus really happened

reply to post by MrXYZ

So you are saying that because archeology hasn't uncovered any potato chip packets from the days of Moses, and because that there are no footprints to reveal that the Israelites walked side by side, arms linked, like some crazy conga line - then ALL of Israel and the jewish people are "crazy religious fundamentalists" ?

You are still claiming that the nation of Israel is ignorant of their own history.

1. Have you investigated what archeology HAS uncovered about the Bible - and how accurate it actually is ? Archeologists (interested in that part of the world) BASE their dig locations ON THE BIBLE as a reference point. FACT

2. You keep using the word demonstrably (provable) as a defence of your arguments. Every claim that you have made, I have been able to counter-claim with "demonstrably" credible evidence - yet you automatically discredit it (labelling it "psuedo-science") even though I am using the same criteria that you are using yourself.

3. You didn't say wether you have read the scriptures for yourself or not. This is very important information for you to own up too - if you haven't read the Bible then how can you passionately defend your position about something that you know absolutely nothing about, not the least, attempt to discredit its authenticity with your own opinion (misinformed at that).

As mentioned before, just because something is in the bible doesn't automatically mean it really happened.

So, are you saying that because it ISN"T in the Bible then it automatically DIDN"T really happen ? (using your own criteria - evolution isn't in the Bible therefore IT didn't happen !!!)

What's even more hilarious is that in the New Testament they sometimes refer to the old one, claiming it was a prophecy...yet there is no mention in the old testament about any of those prophecies

The Holy Bible is a collection of 66 different books, written by 40 different authors, over a time of approximately 1500 or so years. The Torah was written about 1300 B.C. which confirms the beginnings of the nation of Israel, as GOD called them out of Egypt to be HIS holy people. The ENTIRE HOLY BIBLE is about the revelation of JESUS CHRIST. The entire Old Testament, prophecies about the birth, death, and resurrection of Jesus, as the redemption plan by which all mankind can be brought into reconciliation with GOD - having originally been seperated by sin. The entire New Testament is about one single man (JESUS CHRIST) fulfilling those prophecies. Some having been written 1000 years beforehand. Some have yet to be fulfilled.

With all due respect my friend, your case cannot be taken seriously at all because you have no grounding in the subject matter.

reply to post by HangTheTraitors
You are being overly aggressive there, friend. Up until now, the conversation has been polite, respectful, and quite entertaining. May I suggest that you find another thread if you want to introduce harsh, scathing, unnecessary remarks. If you are happy to contribute worth-while input, then you are welcome to participate. If you are incapable, then please keep your comments to yourself.

reply to post by MrXYZ

Just for your information I thought that I would supply you with some more reading about the Israelites exodus from Egypt.

www.aish.com...

www.bibleandscience.com...

www.charismamag.com...

Many archaeologists, Bible scholars and historians continue to conclude from the evidence that the Exodus did indeed occur, among them the editor of Biblical Archaeology Review, Hershel Shanks (Ha'aretz Magazine, Nov. 5, 1999).

Evidence for ancient events is very difficult to come by. Sometimes, to be sure, indications of an event’s historicity is uncovered but more often all that can be done is to see whether the event can plausibly fit into what is presently known about the historical period. Lack of direct evidence does not disprove an ancient event. Nor can the existence of evidence only in later literary texts be taken as an argument against their reliability; the discovery of ancient Troy came about on the evidence of the much later writings of Homer.

The Exodus is dated by most of those who accept its veracity to about 1250 BCE. We know that for the previous few centuries, the period during which the Israelites are reported to have come down to Canaan from Egypt and to have become influential, there was indeed a rise in Semitic influence in Egypt, led by a group of western Semites known as the Hyksos, who were closely related to the Hebrews. At some point, ca. 1580 BCE, the native Egyptians rebelled against these foreigners, and this development can be taken to be reflected in the Bible's description of the Pharaoh "who did not know Joseph." As a result of this change, the Semites, including the Israelites, found themselves in the difficult position the Bible records, one which must have lasted for centuries. From this point of view, the story of the slavery and Exodus is perfectly plausible within the framework of Egyptian and Near Eastern history. Further, we have letters which describe the life of work gangs from Pharaonic Egypt and these seem to paint a picture very close to that of the biblical report.

The Bible describes the period immediately after the Exodus as one of extended wandering in the desert. This wandering was said to result from the fear of the Israelites that a direct route to Canaan, along the Mediterranean coast toward what is now the Gaza Strip, would be dangerous because of the Egyptian armies stationed there. This circumstance has been confirmed as historical by the discovery of the remains of extensive Egyptian influence, habitation and fortification in the Gaza region in this period, especially at Deir al-Balakh. Again, the biblical record is confirmed.

Further support for the historicity of the Exodus comes from a stele of the Egyptian ruler Merneptah (1224-1214 BCE). In reviewing his victories against the peoples of Canaan, he claimed, "Israel is laid waste; his seed is not." Here the text designated the people of Israel, not the land, as can be shown from the Egyptian linguistic usage. Many scholars believe that this text refers to the people of Israel before they entered Canaan--that is, in the period of desert wandering. More likely, it is a reference to Israel after they have entered Canaan, but before they established themselves as a sedentary population in the hill country in today's West Bank (Judea and Samaria). Since this view accords with the dating of the Exodus we suggested above, it seems that in this text, the only Egyptian document to mention Israel, we have a direct reference to the Israelites in the period of the Exodus and the conquest of Canaan.

Assuming the biblical account to be unreliable, some scholars have substituted a Marxist theory of class revolution to explain the formation of ancient Israel. According to this approach, the masses revolted against their Canaanite overlords and, after taking control, forged for themselves the new collective identity and mythology of the Israelites. Other scholars have suggested a process of differentiation in which some Canaanites began to see themselves as a separate people, and created an identity and a sacred history from whole cloth, thus inventing the Exodus and conquest narratives. But who would invent a history of slavery and disgrace?

Further, this theory must explain away the historical and archaeological evidence. Numerous cities from this period show a cultural change at precisely the point when the Israelites are said by the Bible to have appeared. Indeed, the newcomers, since they came from the desert, show a lower level of material culture than the Canaanites whom they displaced. This situation fits well the notion of Israelite conquest and infiltration.

reply to post by 1king2rulethemall


And of course you completely ignore the FACT that so many people would leave behind archeological evidence

Look, if there's no archeological evidence of an exodus of the scale told in the bible, then there wasn't an exodus and it was a fictional add-on to the story. In "The Wizard of Oz", they describe Kansas quite accurately, but that doesn't mean talking lions exist!! Use some logic and rationality for crying out loud!

And the same goes for that global flood that never happened.

The bible is only proof of what people BELIEVED back then, which doesn't necessarily represent reality. Sure, sometimes they got it right, but a lot of times, they demonstrably (as with the exodus or the flood) got it wrong...

By the way, the links posted above are a joke. For crying out loud, they are blog posts by Rabbis, and you think they're unbiased???

Originally posted by 1king2rulethemall
reply to post by autowrench

 

You are looking at GOD from a fractured, fallen perspective my friend - something that we are all guilty of. If you read the Bible and take it as a whole, not just pull random verses out and comment on them, you will have a better understanding of why these "atrocities" happened.

If a man makes an invention that has the potential to change the world for the better, who but him knows how it was made, why it was made, the problems that he faced making it, and ultimately how it works? Who can turn and say to him - "your invention is rubbish" if he knows not the full purpose for it in the first place.
Similarly (but on a much grander scale) who are we and what right do we own to question our inventor and say that HIS invention is rubbish and HIS method is flawed?

Actually, I am looking at the Biblical God as a whole, not just a nit pick here and there, looking at only the good things. I do believe in a benevolent and loving Creator/ess, but failed to find that in the Bible. One thing that really throws me a curve about the Christian religion is this: They believe three males created everyone, and everything. Now here is wisdom. A Female Creator could in fact create a male consort for herself, but a male could not create a women. Not one man alive can truly understand a woman's thinking processes, and what they really want, but, they can figure us men out pretty fast. And another thing.
I came into this world through a women's vagina , and waters, not from the loins of a man. Saying that the Divine is three males makes no sense at all. Where is the Mother, I ask?

reply to post by 1king2rulethemall

How does this disprove the truth of the Bible ?

I never said it does. If the Bible is all true, then the God in there is a cruel childish creature that like virgins and loves to murder humans. You have to read the whole thing, and not one of these new Bibles that has been altered to suit an agenda, but an older Bible with everything still in it. Don't know if you realize this, but the Bible changes every few generation, some things are added, some are discarded. Don't believe me? Look here:
Spurious changes to the Bible

And here:
Early Christian Writings

And here:

New Living Translation EXPOSED!

reply to post by Tindalos2013


I fully agree with you, Tindalos2013. These were written a few thousand years before the Church and their agenda came along, and as far as I am concerned, they are a true telling of events and people, not "myths" and "fiction" like we are led to believe. The Sumerian people did not write fiction stories on their clay tablets. They recored their history. Nothing more, or less.

Look, if there's no archeological evidence of an exodus of the scale told in the bible, then there wasn't an exodus and it was a fictional add-on to the story.

reply to post by MrXYZ
You are really clinging on to that precipice with all your might aren't you. I have provided enough evidence to counter ALL your claims - even using your own methodology in explaining the alternatives to you - but you still can't accept even the possibility that the Jewish people actually know their own historical beginning? Maybe you should personally speak to a Jew and ask them for yourself. That being said, I feel that I should probably move on to the next point of contention, because brick walls are hard to knock over.

And the same goes for that global flood that never happened.

Again - using your own methodology here - can you "demonstrably" prove that the global flood NEVER happened ?

Here is a "real" website (totally non-Christian) that you might like to read about the great flood. IT DEMONSTRABLY SUPPORTS THE HISTORICAL EVIDENCE OF A GLOBAL FLOOD

science.howstuffworks.com...

You can't claim that as "psuedo-science" can you ?

By the way, the links posted above are a joke. For crying out loud, they are blog posts by Rabbis, and you think they're unbiased???

If you want to learn about maths - you go to a maths teacher. If you want to learn how to speak english - you go to an english teacher. If you want to learn to play music - you go to a music teacher - and specifically, if you want to learn piano - a piano teacher. Someone who only plays the guitar can not teach you to play piano. Someone who doesn't know english can not teach how to speak english (like my phone company :lol. Someone who doesn't even consider that the Bible holds any truth can not teach about the truth of the Bible. Agreed ?

Because the Holy Bible, being the inspired Word of GOD, is constantly and veraciously under attack and abuse by the majority of the population (although, I am happy to report that that statistic is rapidly changing), then those who understand the Scriptures to be just as they claim, do feverently search for tangible evidence to support their own faith and to encourage the faith (or lack of) in others.
Who better to ask about the Bible than someone who has studied the Bible ?
Who better to ask about evolution than someone who has studied it ?
Who better to ask about particle physics then someone who has studied particle physics ?
Who better to ask about Jewish history than a Jew ? (thought that I would throw that one in there )

It would do no good at all for a new believer in Jesus to ask you about the Bible would it now ?

The bible is only proof of what people BELIEVED back then........... Sure, sometimes they got it right...........

Ahhh. So who gets the job of descerning what is fact or fiction ? What they got "wrong" or what they got "right" ?

Should it be us - far removed from the ancient days ? Or should it be the peoples, nations, generations that actually lived in the times that the Holy Bible was recorded ? Shouldn't it be the people who were closest, both geographically and chronologically, to the original source, that determine what is fact or fiction ?

So....... taking that into context, the history of Israel supports the Old Testament account. The "myths and legends" of most ancient civilizations support a global flood, which in turn, supports the Old Testament account.
These supporting evidences are dated (not suprisingly) in chronological cohesion with the Old Testament - supporting its account. Archeology has uncovered cities, monuments, artefacts - all supporting the accurate account of the Old Testament - all proving even more so that the Holy Bible is real and true.

We haven't even gotten to discussing the accuracy and reliability of the New Testament yet !

Sorry, i messed up the quote function. Doh !

Where is the Gospel of Jesus? I have often wondered why Jesus couldn't just write his own teachings down instead relying on ordinary men to do it many years after his death.

Unless I'm mistaken which as a human we are falliable. The Gospel of Jesus is present in the Dead Sea Scrolls. As is the Gospel of Mary, and Thomas (the doubter)

I've had a recent discussion with with a friend about the topic of God, and Christianity. Shes a hardcore pentacostal girl. I come from a background of no belief. I simply feel that "God" is entertwined into our DNA sequences. Thus the beauty of the whole thing. I honestly think in the future science will reveal "God" as a tanglible part of all things.