An ancient and lost Science

reply to post by Flavian


Yes before the flood the world was dominated by the pre adamic race (the titans), after the flood it was dominated by the adamic race. The pre adamic race (the sons of the elohim) were forbidden to breed with the adamic race (the daughters of man/adam). This rule was broken and the result was the hybrid known as the mighty ones. They had some of the intelligence of the pre adamic race but had the animalistic nature of the adamic race….the result was war, a war against the sons of the elohim which resulted in the flood (an attempt to wipe out the hybrids). There are actually two genetic lines on this planet, the descendants of the Adam and the descendants of Cain…these two lines are never supposed to interbreed.

Originally posted by Harte

Originally posted by LUXUS
Have you ever looked at the pyramids of Egypt or other huge stone structures of immense antiquity and asked yourself the basic question “how the hell did they cut and lift those huge stone blocks”

Well the archaeologists come to our rescue and inform us that one of the hardest stones known to man (granite) was cut using chisels made from one of the softest metals known to man (copper)!

No archaeologists have ever claimed that any granite in any pyramid was ever cut with copper chisels.

Straw man.

Originally posted by LUXUS

And if that wasn’t enough to add further insult we are told that blocks which weigh up to 14000 tons were lifted by men with vine ropes!

No stones in any Egyptian construction (or any other ancient construction) weigh even one-tenth of what you claim.

If you think you might want to be taken seriously, perhaps you should make at least some effort to write a serious post.

Harte

Really! what about the 1,200 ton pink granite oblisk in Aswan Egypt? What about the 1,500 ton block in Ba'albek, Lebanon. Some of the granite blocks in the temple infront of the sphinxs are huge too, over 1000 tons

Originally posted by LUXUS
Well the archaeologists come to our rescue and inform us that one of the hardest stones known to man (granite) was cut using chisels made from one of the softest metals known to man (copper)!

Speaking as an anthropologist, I think you probably just read a fact and didn't stop and see the videos associated with this. There are indeed videos of people using ancient Egyptian style tools and carving out granite and limestone and other items.

I think someone can google up the videos for you. They've even done one of groups of people cutting a number of stone blocks and stacking them into a pyramid (in Egypt) using standard methods.

And if that wasn’t enough to add further insult we are told that blocks which weigh up to 14000 tons were lifted by men with vine ropes!

As archaeologists can tell you, they didn't use vines. They had quite an advanced rope-making technology and even included illustrations on how it was done along with writing about what was used (see pictures in Wikipedia article -- history of rope making in Egypt)

Bronze Age in Ancient Egypt (3500 BC)

Lets remember now that it is only in recent times that we have developed hydraulic cranes capable of doing this ourselves.

But let us also remember the archaeological and written evidence that humans have been doing this with manual labor and pulleys ever since 1500 BC (Mesopotamia, where archaeologists have unearthed early pulleys (bucket and pulley system) used for getting water from wells.

Do you ever get the feeling that archaeologists are perhaps not the most practically gifted people, if they were they would surly know that what they are proposing is impossible.

I get the feeling that you may not have hung around many archaeologists. I encourage you to go meet some and learn from them skills like:
* knapping flint arrows (I can do this one)
* using metates
* using and making ulus (knives)
* using the atlatl (and making them. One archaeologist that I know makes bows as well using authentic materials)
* making Greek style linen armor called "linothorax" (which stops arrowheads.)
* making multiple types of pottery
* tanning hides
* making fire
* building houses from mud brick
-- and any sort of historic reconstruction where the materials need to match the original (this includes weaving, painting, books, tanning, etc, etc.

Go meet some archaeologists and learn some of these interesting skills.

I propose an experiment lets ask the archaeologists to cut us a 14000 ton block of granite using copper chisels and when they are finished (if they live long enough) to lift it using vine ropes.

Already done. Been shown on a number of tv programs.

The truth is that the ancients had a knowledge, a technology which even today we don’t have. This technology was lost to us because of a cataclysm otherwise known as “the flood”.

There wasn't a global flood. Sorry.

while at a remote monastery in northern Tibet during the 1930s, he had witnessed the demonstration of two curious sound instruments which could induce weightlessness in stone blocks. The first was an extremely large gong, 3.5 metres in diameter, composed of a central circular area of very soft gold, followed by a ring of pure iron, and finally a ring of extremely hard brass. When struck, it produced an extremely low dumph which ceased almost immediately. The second instrument was also composed of three different metals; it had a half-oval shape like a mussel shell, and measured 2 metres long and 1 metre wide, with strings stretched longitudinally over its hollow surface. Linauer was told that it emitted an inaudible resonance wave when the gong was struck. The two devices were used in conjunction with a pair of large screens, positioned so as to form a triangular configuration with them. When the gong was struck with a large club to produce a series of brief, low-frequency sounds, a monk was able to lift a heavy stone block with just one hand. Linauer was informed that this was how their ancestors had built protective walls around Tibet, and that such devices could also disintegrate physical matter.

And isn't it interesting that there's no actual footage of someone doing this? I have seen group lifts (where a group of people working together lift a heavy object with one hand (and yes, it's possible and there's even physics which explains it.)

...and you didn't look at the Coral Castle site long enough to see the pictures of Ed with his pulley system. There's photos there taken of him moving the blocks with a winch and pulleys.

Originally posted by LUXUS
Really! what about the 1,200 ton pink granite oblisk in Aswan Egypt? What about the 1,500 ton block in Ba'albek, Lebanon. Some of the granite blocks in the temple infront of the sphinxs are huge too, over 1000 tons

I think maybe you need to have a look at the timeline and technology.

Ba'albek is Roman, and was built after the Iron age. They were using iron and Bronze.
Aswan was built over a thousand years after the Pyramids at Giza. This was during the late Bronze Age and they weren't using just copper (also, you don't seem to be aware that copper can be hardened by annealing. And, of course, bronze is even harder)

Hopefully someone with the time can link some videos showing archaeologists (and their students -- as well as ordinary filmmakers) doing this. It's out there. I've seen those shows enough times.

Originally posted by LUXUS

Originally posted by Harte

Originally posted by LUXUS
Have you ever looked at the pyramids of Egypt or other huge stone structures of immense antiquity and asked yourself the basic question “how the hell did they cut and lift those huge stone blocks”

Well the archaeologists come to our rescue and inform us that one of the hardest stones known to man (granite) was cut using chisels made from one of the softest metals known to man (copper)!

No archaeologists have ever claimed that any granite in any pyramid was ever cut with copper chisels.

Straw man.

Originally posted by LUXUS

And if that wasn’t enough to add further insult we are told that blocks which weigh up to 14000 tons were lifted by men with vine ropes!

No stones in any Egyptian construction (or any other ancient construction) weigh even one-tenth of what you claim.

If you think you might want to be taken seriously, perhaps you should make at least some effort to write a serious post.

Harte

Really! what about the 1,200 ton pink granite oblisk in Aswan Egypt? What about the 1,500 ton block in Ba'albek, Lebanon. Some of the granite blocks in the temple infront of the sphinxs are huge too, over 1000 tons

So that leads to the question:
What is one-tenth of 14,000?
The Stone of the Pregnant Woman (Baalbek) has been estimated at 1000 tons.
Also, it's Baalbek, not Ba'albek.

The name has nothing to do with the (former) god Ba'al.

Harte

Originally posted by Ghost375

Originally posted by LUXUS
Have you ever looked at the pyramids of Egypt or other huge stone structures of immense antiquity and asked yourself the basic question “how the hell did they cut and lift those huge stone blocks”

Well the archaeologists come to our rescue and inform us that one of the hardest stones known to man (granite) was cut using chisels made from one of the softest metals known to man (copper)!

And if that wasn’t enough to add further insult we are told that blocks which weigh up to 14000 tons were lifted by men with vine ropes!
Lets remember now that it is only in recent times that we have developed hydraulic cranes capable of doing this ourselves.

You realize that that isn't the mainstream theory for how they moved the blocks, right?
Most archaeologists aren't going to say they know for certain how they moved the blocks; it really is still sort of a mystery. However, there have been a couple of engineers who have been able to move massive blocks with out any modern day technology. So it is entirely possible that older cultures made these structures without any modern day tech. Actually, it's not just possible, it's what happened!

Agreed, I heard on a documentary that the pyramids where already there and the Egyptians just made tombs for the kings .. pretty much took it over..

Originally posted by GmoS719
reply to post by LUXUS

 

If there were some type of ancient lost tools. Where is the evidence?

They were taken away.
The kit that was used to move stones and big heavy things around was probably as dangerous as explosives.
So obviously whoever or whatever was using them would not of left them laying around for the natives to mess with.

It's like a survivalist with his catche of goodies hidden away. Lot's of cool toys, but you don't get to play with them..

Originally posted by OccamsRazor04
reply to post by LUXUS

 

If someone said it then it must be true. Statements come easy, where are the facts? I have already witnessed people cutting granite using the technology mainstream academia states Egyptians had. Stop lying. Deny Ignorance.

Disclaimer: I am not saying mainstream arcaheology has all the answers, but to state the technology could not cut granite is a bold faced lie.

www.bbc.co.uk...

"In recent years, however, a long series of archaeological experiments has been undertaken by the British Egyptologist Denys Stocks. Like many previous researchers, Stocks recognised that the copper alloy drills or saws would have worn away rapidly if used to cut through granite without assistance. He therefore experimented with the addition of quartz sand, poured in between the cutting edge of a drill and the granite, so the sharp crystals could give the drill the necessary 'bite' into the rock, and found that this method could work. It seems a practical solution, as no special teeth would have been needed for the masons' tools, only a good supply of desert sand - and this theory is gaining acceptance in academic circles."

Just because you say it work's doesn't mean it was used though.

As an example.
The western world had the wheel while in the America's it was unseen apart from in children's toys. Also even Japan didn't start with the wheel until the 1800s.

Originally posted by LUXUS
And if that wasn’t enough to add further insult we are told that blocks which weigh up to 14000 tons were lifted by

.......

Really! what about the 1,200 ton pink granite oblisk in Aswan Egypt? What about the 1,500 ton block in Ba'albek, Lebanon. Some of the granite blocks in the temple infront of the sphinxs are huge too, over 1000 tons

You might have a bit more credibility if you could work out the difference between 14 thousand and 14 hundred tonnes.

Do we really need the 67,142nd thread on how you can't work out how some ancient culture piled some stones on top of each other therefore it was aliens/secret technology/magic?

This stuff has been gone over ad nauseum and you haven't added anything new at all.

Originally posted by LUXUS
As stated archaeologists are not the most practically gifted people

Oh really?!? They are probably one of the most practical branches of science. They spend their careers out in the field actually recovering and reconstructing ancient tools and technology. While you just sit in your bedroom tapping a few keys and cruising conspiracy sites. Yet you somehow claim greater practical knowledge. You should be embarrassed.

Originally posted by Komodo

Agreed, I heard on a documentary that the pyramids where already there and the Egyptians just made tombs for the kings .. pretty much took it over..

Two problems with this, one a complete lack of evidence of anyone else building them and two no evidence of anyone even being there at any point in history. Other than that - its a great idea!

I think the ancient people were very smart and built the pyramids of Egypt with there own blood,sweat and tears..I don't believe the story of alien intervention of any kind i think the knowledge of the builders was lost.. My theory is the pyramids were constructed by many many, men over many, many years. Given enough time, labor and materials, you can build anything! Don't underestimate the spirit of ingenuity..Peace,sugarcookie1

Hmmm sounds like another thread i was reading talking about a place in florida called coral castle where a man claimed to know the secrets of the pyrimids.He single handedly moved 3 ton rocks around with a wooden tripod and in all the pictures of him building coral castle there is a black box on top of the tripod.

Originally posted by hekk354
Hmmm sounds like another thread i was reading talking about a place in florida called coral castle where a man claimed to know the secrets of the pyrimids.He single handedly moved 3 ton rocks around with a wooden tripod and in all the pictures of him building coral castle there is a black box on top of the tripod.

Yeah that is the secret box ---- here is a question for you. How are the three poles in the tripod connected together at the top?

reply to post by OccamsRazor04

"In recent years, however, a long series of archaeological experiments has been undertaken by the British Egyptologist Denys Stocks. Like many previous researchers, Stocks recognised that the copper alloy drills or saws would have worn away rapidly if used to cut through granite without assistance. He therefore experimented with the addition of quartz sand, poured in between the cutting edge of a drill and the granite, so the sharp crystals could give the drill the necessary 'bite' into the rock, and found that this method could work. It seems a practical solution, as no special teeth would have been needed for the masons' tools, only a good supply of desert sand - and this theory is gaining acceptance in academic circles."

So...the sand won't wear away the Copper drills and tools, where Granite would?

Granite yields to the sand, but not Copper?

reply to post by Hanslune


It is connected kinda like /l\ then there is a box balanced on top

Originally posted by spikey

So...the sand won't wear away the Copper drills and tools, where Granite would?

Granite yields to the sand, but not Copper?

Yes the loss in copper is rather high as practical tests have shown but using such a method, a saw using grit as a cuting agent does work and their are signs of their work at many sites in AE. Copper was never used to work granite; it works well on limestone the AE favorite building stone but they used other methods to split, bash or grind down granite

Originally posted by hekk354
reply to post by Hanslune

 

It is connected kinda like /l\ then there is a box balanced on top

I believe that box sits over the apex, probably to protest the material he used for the connection, probably rope used in a clove hitch with frapping, it is good to keep the salt spray off them.

If you would like to see how such a tripod is constructed and set up you can look at

Tripods on page 5-4

reply to post by LUXUS


The egyptologists are all wrong. The earily egyptians didn't build the pyrimids or even the sphinx. I saw a program a couple years back and a group of geologists found at the base of the sphinx fossolized ocean mollusks, and other ocean creatures. My guess is that some past advanced civilization carved the sphinx out of a small mountain which sat on the edge of a vast shallow sea, surrounded by the fabled goffer wood forrests.
Where we see only sand once long ago there was a shallow sea. Where we see desert once was a vast tract of ancient forrest. Satlite pictures mapping the Sinai and africa show ancient sea's and rivers not running the same dirrection that the nile now flows.

They want us to believe that folks that didn't have the wheel, using only cooper chizels and rocks to pound the stone with built the pyrimids and the sphinx. and lifted it all with rope made of nile grass. And they say it only took 20 years to build..

There stoned...literaly.

Some of those blocks weight over 200 tons, even our machines that cut rocks and lift them would have a very hard time building something so complex and lets not forget earthquake proof in a 20 year time frame. Not possible.

Unless the ancient civilization had machines that could cut rocks, cranes that could lift the rocks, and the smarts to build them earth quake proof. Folks say theres no proof, but I say otherwise. There are many rocks in the quarry which have distinct machine cuts in there sides. Which can only come from a rock saw that uses a laser or water jet, or diamond bit to cut. All these things could never been used by some fool with a copper chizel...

So you ask where are these machines?

Lets put it this way...500 years from now in the future lets say some folks find the still standing gateway arch, and stand around wondering how in the world the ancients built something not out of rock but stainless steel that wouldn't rust, and earthquake proof..

if ther were no machines left to build it???

So what happened to the machines?

I'd say WAR came. A global war, which wiped out most of the ancient worlds population. Destroyed the machines, and killed off all the technical folks that knew how to run and mantain said machines. The only folks left were a few hardy ones which took shelter in caves. And after a few decades lost the ability to even understand there own great past. Only stories told around the fire, which were embleshed till gods were created, and the mythos grew...

So here we have a bunch of really odd structures, all designed and produced with astrological procession, along with the golden number within each structure. And machined blocks so fine that you can't put a razor blade or laser beam through the seams...

and of course there is the old..

"they did it with copper chizels and nile ropes"...

The ancients knew they were going to destroy themselves, so they left something for the surviors to find and decipher way up the line of time...

There not tombs
There not carvings to dead pharohs..

There a gift..

A reminder and a warning..

Will we be smart enough to heed there warning, or will events repeat themselves once again..

hmmm..

In my front yard there is a 1,000 pound stone I lifted out of the creek and carried up the hill. There are two more 2,000 pound stones at my pool that I also moved without modern technology. I did it alone.

How? It was simple. I made a tripod out of some trees and suspended a beam from a rope hanging from the center of the tripod. I strapped one end to the rock I wanted to move and the other to a box that I put scrap metal in. Using the beam as a balance I lifted the rocks out of the creek and placed them on sleds that had wooden rollers under them and rails under the rollers. I was able to move the one ton stones with one hand and carefully replaced rollers with the other. Once I came to an incline I set my tripod back up and lifted and moved the rocks 10ft at a time until I stacked them at my pool patio the way I wanted them. I hardly broke a sweat and it only took me a couple days to do it.

No technology, no pulleys, no metal needed. (Any heavy thing would have worked as a counterweight.) One man with a little brains did it by himself. Why is the one in the front yard half the size of the ones at my pool? My side yard is kinda steep and I am a lazy man. So I did a smaller stone because it was easier and faster.