Crimes of OWS by Category

reply to post by GodefroydeBouillon

Now do you need to add leftist and criminals, bad people dont follow only 1 group of people, im just trying to figure out why do you need to use all this energy on something you dont like, its your right, but why dont you use it for something usuful.. Thanks do i like a good argument

Because I too love a good argument. If my positions aren't challenged and I can't adequately defend them to even my satisfaction, then I know I'm doing something wrong.

So here I am. Doing what I think is right, and calling out the mob in the streets of America screaming "off with their heads", as they fancy themselves Maximilian Robespierre, and will likely face the same fate...if they get what they want.

reply to post by projectvxn
Wow another biased OP. As an outsider to the issue, my problem with all you biased anti-ows posters is that all you focus on is the "99%" and the slightly more dumb individuals there or the selfish ones that you claim want everything handed to them. Or the communists, or the socialists. What else? The unemployed, the hippies, the lefties, the druggies. Now its ramped up a bit and we're including the homeless, dealers, rapists, George Soros, ACORN. My god don't you just hate OWS OP? Look at all those nasty groups of people i listed! Seeing how the movement is leaderless, this must represent absolutely everybody there! They must all be dumb, selfish,communist,socialist,unemployed,hippy,lefty,druggy,homelss,dealing,rapist,george soros worshipping, ACORN supporters! And martial law is just around the corner RIGHT?!?!?!

ABSOLUTELY NOT!

WAKE THE F**K UP!

Your so deep rooted in your own bias you cant even see the division your creating amongst your fellow americans. Its so painfully obvious. I don't expect to change your mind. Instead im thinking its more likely your already planning on creating your next anti-ows thread.

You so enjoy pointing out the faults in OWS but yet fail to point out the faults in wall streets twisted economic profit strategies (such as lying to investors about the value of CDOs) and all the executives that made gigantic bonuses while americans lost their jobs and homes. With your bias your only dividing people. The anti-ows people will jump behind you at every opportunity and the pro-ows people will get offended by your repetitive OWS idiot videos and 'oh look at this crime that was commited, I HATE OWS!" Why dont you try focus on both positive and negative sides of the issue.

In other words what im trying to say is:
1. ONE PERSON/GROUP DOES NOT REPRESENT THE WHOLE
2. BIAS WILL AND ALREADY HAS CAUSED DIVISION
3. THE WALL STREET BANKERS DO NOT DESERVE DEFENDING
4. DON'T BELIEVE EVERYTHING THE NEWS TELLS YOU WHEN THEY TRY TO PAINT SOMETHING IN A BAD LIGHT

And on another note:
COMMUNISM AND SOCIALISM IS NOT A LARGE THREAT ANYMORE. Just because the socialist worker party and all that are there, does not mean this is what OWS is turning into. THE COLD WAR IS OVER. THE RED SCARE IS GONEBURGERS. (this is more toward neo96)

I do respect your criticisms but you need to work on a more unbiased approach so pro-ows don't get offended and the thread turns into pro vs anti.

reply to post by projectvxn


Wha? That really doesn't explain how you say "ranks" like some 70's general scared of Stalin's robot body.

Seriously though I have had this argument numerous times with my friend, and I always ask how someone can be indoctrinated into pure belief of dicoticly opposite political frameworks with no straying from what was taught in school. I liken it to that scene in Donny Darko when he freaks on the teacher for the love hate line.

My point is life/politics is not a strait line like you were taught in school, there are grey areas and some cannot imagine a world with a system that self evolves and is not preordained or taught 30 years prior.

I'm on my phone so slow to reply

Two posts up from the one you answered. You must have missed it.

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by Adamanteus

 

And which ones are they?

Are you saying sexual assault has NOT happened? Or that the allegation are false? Or even better, the victims and witnesses are lying?

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I hate to play the devil's advocate here, but do you know each and every single victim and witness? I'm not implying that there were no crimes. I'm just saying that you seem so sure that these crimes are slam dunks yet some other members have pointed out some inconsistencies.

Both you and Adamanteus were not there and have no way of knowing. I'm confident that at least some of these allegations are false and or hyped. I'm also going to predict that some of them are true. Because crime happens.

I do know of an instance of a Canadian occupy movement that has become occupied with drugs (not Vancouver but close) and I know for a fact that these drug users and dealers were there decades before Occupy movement.

I'm sure it's the same everywhere else.

To all of you criticizing the crack smoking OWS protesters (if they are even protesters), there is a good chance your government had a hand in shipping that stuff in. It's been going on for decades. Occupy CIA?

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reply to post by blarged


Yep, you bet it's biased.

People have opinions. Opinions aren't objective observations. They are BIASED observations.

What is it with people on ATS slamming bias when opinion, something freely expressed on ATS, is bias by nature?

COMMUNISM AND SOCIALISM IS NOT A LARGE THREAT ANYMORE.

This is very easy for people who have never understood how these things start, and have been insulated from these realities, to believe.

Edit to add:

I do respect your criticisms but you need to work on a more unbiased approach so pro-ows don't get offended and the thread turns into pro vs anti.

What responsibility do I have to avoid hurting the feelings of those who follow OWS?

Why the hell should I care?

How about growing a thicker skin?

reply to post by GhettoRice

Seriously though I have had this argument numerous times with my friend, and I always ask how someone can be indoctrinated into pure belief of dicoticly opposite political frameworks with no straying from what was taught in school.

I don't think you understand a damned thing about me to be making baseless assumptions like that.

reply to post by popsmayhem

I think they want a civil war where us good guys have to take the street back and get rid of this comminist scum!!....They might just get there wish though in creating a class war or civil
war but when WE TAKE BACK the streets there going to be sent home
crying like babies, take heed, the good people in America can only take so much!!

I think you need to be careful what you say and in what direction you point such talk.

At my local Occupy protests I have stood beside communist supporters, Minutemen and militia members. Not to mention that an entire group of armed militia members showed up at one of the protests in another city to "protect" their right to protest.

You can talk a good game online, but be damned sure you understand that just because we support OWS does not mean that we don't know how to use our weapons and we are not scared of idle threats such as the one's you made.

reply to post by projectvxn


Oh come on now! More generalizations? wherever there are leftists there are criminals?

Then wherever there are right wingers there are racists.

You know as well as I do that generalization is just utter crap. I believe that You have valid points but are so caught up in Your obvious hatred for the Occupy movement that You're resorting to petty tactics and arguing for Arguments sake (and surely not swaying anyone to Your opinion)

I come to ATS for healthy debates and to gain other people's perspectives(which cannot be done in any OWS thread)

I don't know anyone that is 100% happy with the way this country is/has been being run. stop quibbling about the dumb stuff and stand together against the people that're screwing our country up as we sit by and fight about stupid stuff.

If we could get past our personal differences and the 10% leftists and the 10% teapartiers could be joined by the other 79% that are in between then we could be the true 99% and maybe affect some much needed change.

reply to post by Adamanteus


Except Jim Crow, the Progressive Era(created by PROGRESSIVES), the KKK, and the Nazis(national SOCIALISTS) were all a product of the left.

Criminals.

reply to post by projectvxn


What are you talking about? You lumped a large gathering of people pissed with the current economic, political, environmental issues as red coat commies.

I don't know your personal life but I can read what you post here, as said before you sound verbatim like a general from "how I learned to love the bomb"

And FYI Albert Pike grand commander Freemason created the kkk

reply to post by GhettoRice


Many of them ARE communists.

List shows Communists, Islamists, Nazis support nationwide OWS protests

One can tell a lot about a movement by looking at who supports it.

The Occupy Wall Street protests are no different.

A post at Pajamas Media lists groups and individuals who have embraced or endorsed the protests that have now spread across the country.

Indeed.

Divide and conquer. Its just to easy

reply to post by projectvxn


Well I have to say that a majority of people base their opinions not on bias, but on evidence and experience they have had in life. That is not bias.

However, there is a large, vocal minority of people that think that arguing is about winning and losing and about defending your position. The idea of learning something, considering both sides of the story, or seeing that one's position might need changing, is alien to these people.
Thats when the smart are seperated from the not so smart. There is nothing clever about clinging onto your position just for the sake of it.

Oh and when the barely hidden hatred comes into it, it gives the rest of us all the warning signs that rational thinking is not really present in these nervous attempts at smearing OWS in threads like these.

reply to post by GhettoRice

And FYI Albert Pike grand commander Freemason created the kkk

The KKK was created in Pulaski, Tennessee, 1866 But not by Albert Pike. The first Grand Wizard of the KKK was Nathan Bedford Forrest

Albert Pike did not found the Ku Klux Klan

Claims have been made that Albert Pike was a high ranking member of the Ku Klux Klan. This is a claim that is impossible to either substantiate or disprove. Research into primary source material will reveal that there isn't any primary source material.
The only writings that would come close to qualifying as a primary source is a booklet written by one of the Klan founders, Captain John C. Lester, in 1884, comprising his reminiscences fifteen years after the fact. The only name noted in Lester’s book is one reference to "Gen. Forrest".

Yep, you bet it's biased.

Thanks for clearing that up

People have opinions. Opinions aren't objective observations. They are BIASED observations. What is it with people on ATS slamming bias when opinion, something freely expressed on ATS, is bias by nature?

So now you've told me here about your bias and reasoning behind it. That's all i needed to hear. I'll let the other users make up their own minds about what they think of this.

COMMUNISM AND SOCIALISM IS NOT A LARGE THREAT ANYMORE.

This is very easy for people who have never understood how these things start, and have been insulated from these realities, to believe.

Care to elaborate?

What responsibility do I have to avoid hurting the feelings of those who follow OWS? Why the hell should I care?

Oh i don't know. It's not like your fellow citizens should matter to you huh... Especially when theres more anti OWS threads to be made. Have fun creating more division!

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by Drezden

 

The spendthrifts of the world are still in control of government.

This is not the fault of the Tea Party. It just is what it is.

I didn't say the tea party was responsible for the government. Just that it hasn't produced real changes in the way OWS will not produce real changes unless we can get over democrat vs republican. Half the country doesn't like the tea party, half the country doesn't like OWS.. both groups want to put an end this out of control government's corportatism.

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by Adamanteus

 

Except Jim Crow, the Progressive Era(created by PROGRESSIVES), the KKK, and the Nazis(national SOCIALISTS) were all a product of the left.

Criminals.

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Ku Klux Klan, often abbreviated KKK and informally known as the Klan, is the name of three distinct past and present far-right[6][7][8][9] organizations in the United States,

wikipedia


Jim crow laws while they were enacted by Dems at the time Dems were actually right wing conservatives.

Southern Democrats largely stayed as conservative as they had always been, with some even breaking off to form farther right-wing splinters like the Dixiecrats.

wiki

I'll give You the other two(nazis and progressives)

It seems to be a theme in your posts to have inaccurate information (you may want to work on that)

reply to post by blarged

Thanks for clearing that up

You bet

So now you've told me here about your bias and reasoning behind it. That's all i needed to hear. I'll let the other users make up their own minds about what they think of this.

Hopefully they'll be smart enough to understand that all human beings have biases, and that opinions are based on experience, knowledge and personal bias. I'm not sure what about this is so controversial to you.

Care to elaborate?

Yep. People in free nations are insulated from these things. They are so apart from having to deal with them that they don't recognize the threat when they see it, and dismiss it when others point it out. The other side of the coin is the comfortable academics who are also insulated from these realities who have the luxury of lecturing about the virtues of collectivist ideologies whilst never actually having to suffer from it's detriments.

Oh i don't know. It's not like your fellow citizens should matter to you huh... Especially when theres more anti OWS threads to be made. Have fun creating more division!

My fellow citizens do matter to me. But I'm not going to put on kid gloves. We're all adults here. If you can't handle a bit of controversy then maybe you shouldn't have created an account here.

So as per OP's link strait from the commie website

We greet the Occupy Wall St. movement as it spreads throughout our country from large cities to small towns, led by youth and joined by people of all ages and backgrounds, giving voice to deep anger at extreme economic inequality. The unemployed, those who have lost their homes, who cannot afford education or healthcare, are joining together as the 99 percent, saying "enough is enough" to the enormous greed and arrogance of financial institutions. An epic battle is underway for the direction of our country. The Occupy movement is not alone. The remarkable battles of Wisconsin and Ohio for workers' rights; and the extraordinary American Dream movement for jobs not cuts, taxing the rich and ending the wars represent the largest social movements of our times. We stand with the courageous young people who have sparked this movement and join with the occupiers who are putting themselves on the line to transform our nation and achieve a secure and sustainable future. We stand with all those fighting racism and all forms of bigotry which is being used by right wing opposition to confuse, divide and defeat this historic movement. The time has come to put people before profits.

So after reading this they side with the ideals of the many ideas within the movement, what exactly is so bad about this. Can an animal rights activist not believe in human rights as well?

reply to post by Adamanteus


These same people later became Progressives. Of which Woodrow Wilson was one He was the guy who segregated the Armed forces, and banned anyone darker than paper from employment in the federal government. . Progressives were also responsible for creating zoning laws that would later create the ghettos we know and love today. That same ghetto is exploited by leftist progressives who have a vested interest in keeping these areas filled with dependent poor minorities in order to solidify a voting block.