Impact Warning Theory

reply to post by mockrock

Lets stop doing this.. This is what the pro debunkers do.. create conflict so we stop discussing the O.P

I hope you appreciate the irony in that statement. No-one on the pro-OP side has contributed anything to the thread but congratulating the OP for such a lengthy post, or attacking people who try to point out its flaws. What new wrinkle has anyone contributed? Oh, wait, there was someone whose own numerology predicted that the "ritual" would take place in the Atlantic rather than the Pacific. Where is the learned discussion about that?

Here is my opinion: I am positive that Satori Theory is 100% convinced that his "theory" is true. He is not scamming or hoaxing and he is entitled to his beliefs. My comments have been directed to the people who automatically assume that there must be "something to it," just because someone said so. I have been subject to personal attacks simply for asking people to think for themselves. I have been called "close minded" for bringing critical thinking and the spirit of scientific inquiry to this thread.

Now, Believers, its up to you to stop the name calling and get this thread back on topic. Pull out your עץ החיים diagrams, your gematria manuals and Greek Bibles and hash out whether the ritual is going to open the Stargate in the Atlantic or Pacific, and just ignore the chuckling coming from the peanut gallery.

Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by mockrock

 

Lets stop doing this.. This is what the pro debunkers do.. create conflict so we stop discussing the O.P

I hope you appreciate the irony in that statement. No-one on the pro-OP side has contributed anything to the thread but congratulating the OP for such a lengthy post, or attacking people who try to point out its flaws. What new wrinkle has anyone contributed? Oh, wait, there was someone whose own numerology predicted that the "ritual" would take place in the Atlantic rather than the Pacific. Where is the learned discussion about that?

Here is my opinion: I am positive that Satori Theory is 100% convinced that his "theory" is true. He is not scamming or hoaxing and he is entitled to his beliefs. My comments have been directed to the people who automatically assume that there must be "something to it," just because someone said so. I have been subject to personal attacks simply for asking people to think for themselves. I have been called "close minded" for bringing critical thinking and the spirit of scientific inquiry to this thread.

Now, Believers, its up to you to stop the name calling and get this thread back on topic. Pull out your עץ החיים diagrams, your gematria manuals and Greek Bibles and hash out whether the ritual is going to open the Stargate in the Atlantic or Pacific, and just ignore the chuckling coming from the peanut gallery. [/quote



Just out of interest are there any 'hoaxes' that you acknowledge as fact.. ?

reply to post by mockrock

Just out of interest are there any 'hoaxes' that you acknowledge as fact.. ?

By definition, a hoax is not a fact. I have at no point accused the OP of promulgating a hoax. Incidentally, your response was the perfect illustration of what I was talking about. I tried to encourage you to explore Satori Theory's theory further by examining the Atlantic/Pacific controversy, and you turned around and tried to make it about me. Pot, meet kettle.

reply to post by DJW001


I agree, I think Satori believes his thread truly and a well put together thread with good evidence. My response is why would NASA say it's going to miss us knowing it is going to hit us? Give up all credibility for a small impact that will only result is a small disaster. Life will go on just fine if this hits Earth but why say it's not going to hit us knowing full well NASA will be to blame for failing to warn people. NASA , JPL, ect.. will all be a failed resource to the world if this asteroid hits Earth. Those two names have more invested in them than anything in the world. The public would be unwilling to fund those programs if this happened, they would lose support from every living person. Would you pay taxes that go to NASA, JPL after an asteroid hit us when they said it would miss Earth. I wouldn't it would be like paying for a slap in the face.

Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by mockrock

 

Just out of interest are there any 'hoaxes' that you acknowledge as fact.. ?

By definition, a hoax is not a fact. I have at no point accused the OP of promulgating a hoax. Incidentally, your response was the perfect illustration of what I was talking about. I tried to encourage you to explore Satori Theory's theory further by examining the Atlantic/Pacific controversy, and you turned around and tried to make it about me. Pot, meet kettle.

edit on 7-11-2011 by DJW001 because: (no reason given)

But don't you see.. if we know you are genuinely examining this to find truth, then it helps to know how you view other so called conspiracies.. But from your posts on other subjects.. Mainstream media is fact.. question nothing and blindly trust the people in control...

Many of us on ATS are more enlightened and if you haven't made that leap.. I can't understand why such an inflexible mind would be here..

Originally posted by mileslong54
reply to post by DJW001

 

I agree, I think Satori believes his thread truly and a well put together thread with good evidence. My response is why would NASA say it's going to miss us knowing it is going to hit us? Give up all credibility for a small impact that will only result is a small disaster. Life will go on just fine if this hits Earth but why say it's not going to hit us knowing full well NASA will be to blame for failing to warn people. NASA , JPL, ect.. will all be a failed resource to the world if this asteroid hits Earth. Those two names have more invested in them than anything in the world. The public would be unwilling to fund those programs if this happened, they would lose support from every living person. Would you pay taxes that go to NASA, JPL after an asteroid hit us when they said it would miss Earth. I wouldn't it would be like paying for a slap in the face.

edit on 7-11-2011 by mileslong54 because: (no reason given)

This would be no small impact, this would be devastating...The initial impact would not be the main problem, but if for example it hit the Atlantic we have the Canary Island's el hierro currently erupting.. the effect of the pressure of an asteroid this size would have massive consequences..

NASA on one hand says its very insignificant and on the other hand they say its the size of an aircraft carrier....

Originally posted by mockrock

Originally posted by mileslong54
reply to post by DJW001

 

I agree, I think Satori believes his thread truly and a well put together thread with good evidence. My response is why would NASA say it's going to miss us knowing it is going to hit us? Give up all credibility for a small impact that will only result is a small disaster. Life will go on just fine if this hits Earth but why say it's not going to hit us knowing full well NASA will be to blame for failing to warn people. NASA , JPL, ect.. will all be a failed resource to the world if this asteroid hits Earth. Those two names have more invested in them than anything in the world. The public would be unwilling to fund those programs if this happened, they would lose support from every living person. Would you pay taxes that go to NASA, JPL after an asteroid hit us when they said it would miss Earth. I wouldn't it would be like paying for a slap in the face.

edit on 7-11-2011 by mileslong54 because: (no reason given)

This would be no small impact, this would be devastating...The initial impact would not be the main problem, but if for example it hit the Atlantic we have the Canary Island's el hierro currently erupting.. the effect of the pressure of an asteroid this size would have massive consequences..

Wrong, there has already been a study by Purdue University to measure the impact posted here

www.abovetopsecret.com...

The primary result of such a collision would be a 4,000-megaton blast, researchers say. Secondary results may include earthquakes with a magnitude of 7.0 or upwards, as well as 70-foot (21-meter) tsunamis, if the space rock were to crash in the ocean.

The Japan tsunami was 14 meters so 7 meters higher this tsunami would be. Yes there would be disasters along the coast but NASA and JPL would still be held accountable for failing to do what there employed to do as far as the near Earth object observation. Remember this is a very small asteroid we are talking about. The size of an aircraft carier. As far as sizes of celetial objects (asteroid, meteors, comets) this is a VERY SMALL object.

Yea it wouldn't be pretty but the majority of people would get a tsunami warning and the loss of life would be minimal and there would be millions with a finger pointed at NASA and JPL

reply to post by conar


That is insignificant.....aircraft carrier size....compared to the rest of the planet.

Go to Google Earth, and look at satellite views of San Diego, California. In the harbor you can spot some carriers ("flat-tops") for size comparison.

Or, in New York, the U.S.S. Intrepid is on permanent display, too.

reply to post by mileslong54


Just recently we had a SAT. and Germany had a SAT. that fell to Earth and both of them and us did not know where they would land. Just sayin, maybe NASA gets one wrong and they could have prevented this if they had more money? If they warn the people the people would still be pissed off that NASA could'nt have figured some way to destroy this space rock. What I am trying to say is either way NASA could spin this, I geuss it all boils down to who has the authority to announce a rock hittin the Earth? Does NASA have to get permission from the Prez. or the SEC. of Defence to make this announcement? Who decides who will tell the world?
Of course my suggestion would have to assume we could not trust the GOV. or NASA.

Originally posted by defythetyrants
reply to post by Freenrgy2

 

never said you should belive the guy. hell, i'm not sure if i "believe" him.
all i'm curious about is why you feel it is imperetive to bash his work.
but hey
haters gonna hate

Never have I indicated I HATE anyone. Why is it so common to use this phrase and then use the cutesie laughing faces as if to mock someone?

Yeah, I don't BELIEVE him, but I'm not bashing him personally. I'm curious as to why so many in this thread are willing to blindly accept what this person has posted and not hold it up to the scrutiny that the ATS community is known for. Instead, those of us who see that there is nothing of substance to this post, are made out to be, dare I say, almost evil with our non-belief.

I'd love to debate the OP's posts, but there isn't anything in them worth debating.

reply to post by ker2010


Like you post and avatar. good stuff.

reply to post by ProudBird


No, it's the size of an aircraft carrier, but it weighs 55 million tonnes(?), slam that into the Earth at 13-17Km/s and you got a major problem, land or water strike, still nowhere near an ELE, but potential for millions of deaths.

EDIT: Think of a bullet hitting a large, heavy object, it can still cause major damage, even if the bullet is a fraction of the size.

Density + kinetic energy = Brown trousers.

Originally posted by SmertSpionam1
reply to post by mileslong54

 

Just recently we had a SAT. and Germany had a SAT. that fell to Earth and both of them and us did not know where they would land. Just sayin, maybe NASA gets one wrong and they could have prevented this if they had more money? If they warn the people the people would still be pissed off that NASA could'nt have figured some way to destroy this space rock. What I am trying to say is either way NASA could spin this, I geuss it all boils down to who has the authority to announce a rock hittin the Earth? Does NASA have to get permission from the Prez. or the SEC. of Defence to make this announcement? Who decides who will tell the world?
Of course my suggestion would have to assume we could not trust the GOV. or NASA.

Or they knew where they would land and didn't want to tell people so people wouldn't be there to steal the million dollar equipment. What makes more sense and would you tell people about where your billion dollar satalite is landing?

reply to post by mockrock

But don't you see.. if we know you are genuinely examining this to find truth, then it helps to know how you view other so called conspiracies.. But from your posts on other subjects.. Mainstream media is fact.. question nothing and blindly trust the people in control...

Then why don't you ask me how I view other conspiracy theories instead of asking me what kind of hoaxes I think are fact? If you don't learn how to ask the right questions, you will never find the right answers. I evaluate all information for internal consistency, try to weigh the probabilities of various possibilities and outcomes, compare the claims against proven physical laws, try to evaluate possible motives behind individuals' or groups' behavior, and so forth. If you are asking if I believe in any conspiracy theories or "fringe" scientific theories, the answer is "yes."

Based on my knowledge of 16th and 17th Century European history, I'm pretty sure Shakespeare's First Folio was part of a shadowy conspiracy to create what Dr. Dee first called the British Empire. I have absolutely no doubt that Kit Marlowe was not murdered in Deptford. More recently, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that the Zimmermann Telegram was a forgery.

As for "fringe" science, I am completely open to Gold's abiogenic theory of petroleum production and am a bit of an AGW skeptic. I do not blindly believe everything that "NASA says" because I understand the science well enough to know that sometimes reasonable assumptions and confirmation bias lead to mistaken interpretations of data. I could go on about how I suspect that as astrophysicists study stellar "jittering" more, a lot of "confirmed" exo-planets will be taken off the list... but ATS is definitely not the right forum for such a discussion.

Many of us on ATS are more enlightened and if you haven't made that leap.. I can't understand why such an inflexible mind would be here..

Sorry I'm neither as enlightened nor as modest as you. Now: are you going to actually talk about the topic, or are you going to continue to derail the thread by making it about me.

reply to post by woogleuk


I'd like to know the source of the mass calculation (It will be more precisely refined after it passes, and more tight observations are taken).

In any case, as to the potential of "impact".....this article was put out on 4th November:

Asteroid 2005 YU55 Gets Closer to Earth; “No Chance of an Impact”

From "Universe Today"

The 400-meter-wide asteroid 2005 YU55 is currently zipping through the inner Solar System at over 13 km (8 miles) a second. On Tuesday, November 8, at 6:28 p.m. EST, it will pass Earth, coming within 325,000 km (202,000 miles). This is indeed within the Moon’s orbit (although YU55′s trajectory puts it a bit above the exact plane of the Earth-Moon alignment.) Still, it is the closest pass by such a large object since 1976… yet, NASA scientists aren’t concerned. Why?

Because its orbit has been well studied, there’s nothing in its way, and frankly there’s simply nothing it will do to affect Earth.

Period.

And, hilariously to add this:

Undoubtedly there will still be those who continue to spread misinformation about 2005 YU55. After all, they did the same with the now-disintegrated comet Elenin. But the truth is out there… and the truth is that there’s no danger, no cover-ups, no “plots”, and simply no cause for concern.

They must be reading ATS....

reply to post by ProudBird


Come November 12 and there will be a new comet with a new prophecy and a new rapture.

Prophecies that have come true on ATS = 0

What about conspiracies of the last 50 years.. Did the CIA kill JFK was Bobby Kennedy also killed by the CIA using a hypnotized assassin with methods proven to work.. derrenbrown.co.uk... ?

To protect the emergence of a political dynasty..

reply to post by ProudBird


It's called a rough guess based on size and current knowledge, and for the record, I don't buy into the Earth strike, I believe in science and science tells us it will zip by on its merry way.

I was merely pointing out to someone that just because an object is the size of an aircraft carrier (compared to the Earth), it doesn't mean it doesn't pose a threat should an impact occur (at any point in time, now, past or future).