Occupy Boston Occupies Israeli Consulate After Flotilla Is Stopped

Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh
reply to post by Drezden

 

Wow.

It is like the 1920's and 1930's are happening all over again.

A certain Führer would be proud of you, young padawan.

Very good.. anyone who doesn't agree with Israel blindly is automatically a Nazi.. excellent way to kill honest open debate.. I mean after all people who question 9/11 must be communist lovers...

I loose more respect for ATS by the day..

Originally posted by Drezden


In the same way Jews have no right to Israel. The Israel we know and love today was created after WW2.. land was taken and claimed for Israel.

According to Biblical tradition, the united Kingdom of Israel was a kingdom that existed in the Land of Israel, a period referred to by scholars as the United Monarchy. Biblical historians date the kingdom from c. 1020 BCE to c. 930 BCE, though there are differences of opinion as to exact dates.

Hmmmmm.........

Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by Drezden


In the same way Jews have no right to Israel. The Israel we know and love today was created after WW2.. land was taken and claimed for Israel.

According to Biblical tradition, the united Kingdom of Israel was a kingdom that existed in the Land of Israel, a period referred to by scholars as the United Monarchy. Biblical historians date the kingdom from c. 1020 BCE to c. 930 BCE, though there are differences of opinion as to exact dates.

Hmmmmm.........

According to U.S. history books the native americans lived in the U.S. before we did.. I guess we should give the entire country back.

I'm not denying that Israel existed in ancient times, a lot of history and time has passed since then.

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Bravo!!!

I wonder how many of these viciously insane right wing Americans who quickly support Israel's 'right' to Palestine would be so quick to move their fat arses out of America and give it back to the Indigenous people.

My guess: 0

Originally posted by Drezden
This tells me people really don't understand how Israel was created.

Do you.....?

Will you be touching on some of the other lesser known but highly contested history and agreements from the period of the region as well? This period in the Middle East is not very well known. The subject of Palestine/Israel are closely tied to the topic.

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Emir Faisal's party at Versailles, during the Paris Peace Conference of 1919. At the center, from left to right:Rustum Haidar, Nuri as-Said, Prince Faisal, Captain Pisani (behind Feisal), T.E. Lawrence, Faisal's slave (name unknown), Captain Tahsin Qadri


How France sank the original Mideast peace

Every day politicians and pundits talk of another chance at Middle East peace missed, delayed or subverted. The focus is always on Palestinians and Israelis as the keystone to a global settlement with the West and across the region. But in the original peace arrangement between the Jews, Arabs and the Western powers, it was not settlements and Jerusalem that were at the heart of the problem. In fact, the Arabs originally agreed to a Jewish state complete with massive Jewish immigration. For Arabs, the prize was not Palestine, it was Syria.
Zionist Organization...

This is the story of how the original Middle East peace plan crafted among all sides in the aftermath of World War I was subverted - not by Jews or Zionists, but by the French.

It begins at the Paris Peace Conference in January 1919, in a flag-bedecked, battle-scarred but victorious Paris. There, the great top-hatted Allied men of vision and illusion gathered to remake the world and invent the post-Ottoman Middle East. At those fateful meetings, the Arabs and Jews formally agreed to mutually endorse both their national aspirations and live in peace.

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British Mandate for Palestine

In 1916, Britain and France concluded the Sykes–Picot Agreement, which proposed to divide the Middle East between them into spheres of influence, with "Palestine" as an international enclave. (Pappé 1994, p. 3)

The British made two potentially conflicting promises regarding the territory it was expecting to acquire.[7] Britain had promised Hussein bin Ali, Sharif of Mecca, through T. E. Lawrence, independence for an Arab country covering most of the Arab Middle East in exchange for his support, while also promising to create and foster a Jewish national home in Palestine in the Balfour Declaration of 1917, in return for Jewish support.

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Map showing boundaries of the proposed Jewish state, as outlined by the Zionist representatives at the 1919 Paris Peace Conference, superimposed on modern boundaries

Saudi Arabia was going to receive a Lions share and could have cared less about Palestine at the time. They had their eyes set on the Jordanian area. Also notice no matter who said what to whom the Jews were offered the territory back in 1919...


Long and little known history of the region.

reply to post by SLAYER69


More people will star your post than will read or fully understand it. Thus is ATS politics.

I direct you back to:



The problem is not Jews living in Israel/Palestine. Jews and Muslims lived in that land for hundreds and hundreds of years peacefully, what my problem, and many peoples' problem is that Israel keeps taking more and more land.. and they like building their illegal settlements. Yes agreements were made in the past.. but Israel continues to take more land today than was agreed upon. This is where the main issue is.

You people never answer my questions or respond to my statements that you have no argument against or would actually question your beliefs.. you pick one thing that is least damaging to your notions and expand.

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Typical...

You are confronted with historical facts and you choose to ignore it.

Pathetic.

Now what were you saying about 9/11 It's getting late I need a bed time story...

Originally posted by Drezden

Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by Drezden


In the same way Jews have no right to Israel. The Israel we know and love today was created after WW2.. land was taken and claimed for Israel.

According to Biblical tradition, the united Kingdom of Israel was a kingdom that existed in the Land of Israel, a period referred to by scholars as the United Monarchy. Biblical historians date the kingdom from c. 1020 BCE to c. 930 BCE, though there are differences of opinion as to exact dates.

Hmmmmm.........

According to U.S. history books the native americans lived in the U.S. before we did.. I guess we should give the entire country back.

I'm not denying that Israel existed in ancient times, a lot of history and time has passed since then.

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on 11/6/2011 by Drezden because: (no reason given)

Thought we were talking about Israel? hmmmmm.......

Originally posted by Drezden

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The dramatic shift in land control is a direct result of Arab countries thinking they could just push Israel off the map. Apparently the first few times the Arabs lost wasnt enough for them to get the big picture.

Instead, they tried again, and lost huge chunks of land. Interesting to start a war, get your butt handed back to yourself, only to cry to the UN about occupied land while quoting international law, while completely ignoring the very same laws when they attacked ISrael in the first place.

It reminds me of those people who chastise the US for using a nuclear bomb on Japan - twice.

Have people ever considered that maybe if Japan didnt attack the US, they would not have been attacked back? As we, and other countries have learned, and yet more that have not learned, is to not start a war if you arent prepared to see it through to the end.

The military doctrine of attacking and then running to the UN to complain when you start to lose ranks right up their with the Custer defense.

IE they didnt think it all the way through to the end. Like the protestors who turned out against wall street and corporate greed only to seize and hold Israeli consulate officals hostage. Those people are very lucky embassy security did not open fire to protect their staff / consular officials.

Seems like a lot of the users with gold and silver around their posts are against OWS... Hmmm...(conspiracy maybe?) How can ONE be against the only driving force there is providing change...? It also doesn't matter who try's to manipulate the movement it wont work.. The masses are waking up and they are tired of working there fingers to the bones for nothing.. This is also not just about Wall Street.. Its about Governments in general!!! all of them! So GREAT work Boston!! Stay strong!!... OneLove.

Originally posted by mr-lizard
reply to post by Drezden

 

Bravo!!!

I wonder how many of these viciously insane right wing Americans who quickly support Israel's 'right' to Palestine would be so quick to move their fat arses out of America and give it back to the Indigenous people.

My guess: 0

They are free to take it.

If they can..

Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by Corruption Exposed

 

Ooook.. Can anyone explain to me why OWS, Operation Wall Street - dealing with corporate greed, feels that occuping the ISraeli embassy is in line with their stated goals?

As far as the comment about PressTV, save it. They are the offical mouth piece of the Iranian Government andhave a bad habbit of ommitting information or just out right lieing when it comes to the US / Israel.

The OWS movement has gone off the deepend and is turn ing more and more into the hypocritical protestors / reioters that show for the G-20 meetings.

I lso enjoy the double standard they show by demanding laws be followed and their rights respected while in the same breath advocate violence towards the police and anyone else who doesnt agree with their view point. These people remind me of the other groups from back in the day who went around wearing the Che Guevara shirts. People should really know the background of the groups they are going to support.

Yup - A proud day for OWS. To date they have pulled off a political first. They have managed to bring Ne Nazis, the Communist party and the Theocracy of Iran all under the same banner.

Yup..... Alfred Nobel would be proud....

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Huh? You completly ignored the point of the sit in entirely....was that on purpose? Because it makes you look like an ignorant or devious Israeli apologist...I'd ask you to explain yourself, but I think it would be pointless, seeing as you have an obvious Israeli slant in the matter.

Originally posted by Xcathdra

Originally posted by Drezden

edit on 11/6/2011 by Drezden because: (no reason given)

The dramatic shift in land control is a direct result of Arab countries thinking they could just push Israel off the map. Apparently the first few times the Arabs lost wasnt enough for them to get the big picture.

Instead, they tried again, and lost huge chunks of land. Interesting to start a war, get your butt handed back to yourself, only to cry to the UN about occupied land while quoting international law, while completely ignoring the very same laws when they attacked ISrael in the first place.

It reminds me of those people who chastise the US for using a nuclear bomb on Japan - twice.

Have people ever considered that maybe if Japan didnt attack the US, they would not have been attacked back? As we, and other countries have learned, and yet more that have not learned, is to not start a war if you arent prepared to see it through to the end.

The military doctrine of attacking and then running to the UN to complain when you start to lose ranks right up their with the Custer defense.

IE they didnt think it all the way through to the end. Like the protestors who turned out against wall street and corporate greed only to seize and hold Israeli consulate officals hostage. Those people are very lucky embassy security did not open fire to protect their staff / consular officials.

Your example with Japan is null and void for the simple fact that America did not colonize Japan after the war. Nice try though, you cannot excuse Israel's crimes against Palestine.

Yet one more reason why I am against the OWS movement. Make up your mind, or is Israel part of the 1% now also?

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Ahh well of course...........were all stupid and we dont know history so we will just stary his posts!

Ever hear of Lawrence of Arabia?...........

I have.......and its relevant to your accusation sir.........

People who DO understand history are the ones who dont fall into the "trap"

So yeah I stared slayers post

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His history was from 1946 to present. He chose to ignore any and all history before that time period. Btw I starred you and Slayers post because you don't have selective history syndrome.

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The only change they have provided so far is more crime in consolidated areas......

People having issues getting to work......

And businesses laying off people because OWS is choking off traffic to their places of business...

They have effected NO change what so ever......

This is even more proof that they have no direction, they are just meandering about protesting anything that presents an opportunity..........protest anything and any place EXCEPT the ones it would make the most difference.....

They have no issue making it hard for regular people to get to work, however.........I dont see them making it hard for politicians to get into their places of "employment"

Id wager IVE had more effect then they have, by actually DOING something, writting letters to people in my state, petitioning congress, town hall meetings, and being active in my community.......

Not sitting around with a sign, littering up areas and chanting hookie slogans.........

Originally posted by Drezden

Originally posted by nenothtu
Actually, it does tell me something. It tells me you are a Fox News viewer. Otherwise you wouldn't know their views on Israel in order to be able to compare those views with Slayers.

From what I've been saying I obviously do not support Fox news, or lend it credibility.

You are undoubtedly a viewer. Otherwise, as I've already said, you would have no basis for comparison. That tells me that it's probably worth watching if even you are watching it. I won't say yea or nay about whether you afford it any credibility, but you are DAMN sure supporting it.

So what exactly are you doing?

Not watching Fox News.

Well, I haven't been, but I'm going to start I think, since I hear so much about it here at ATS from people - and that includes YOU - that I have to wonder what it is I'm missing. I actually got cable a couple of weeks ago for just that purpose, but I'm still exploring the myriad channels (there's a lot more of them than when I was a kid!) and haven't got around to Fox yet, but you can bet your ass I will eventually, probably pretty soon if you all keep trying to tweak my interest like that.

You ignore and deflect my questions and statements and instead waste bandwidth with a childish joke? Add something to the debate please deny ignorance.

Mostly ignore. I don't think I've deflected any. Matter of fact, I don't think I've EVER responded to you before I made that observation on your obvious viewership.

What joke? Not that it matters much, I suppose - it's MY bandwidth to waste if that's what I'm doing.

I'll go back to ignoring you now, so that i don't get the itch to deflect anything.

If you've got any real points to make, as opposed to (HYPOTHETICAL) straw men, lemme know.

Yeah, (HYPOTHETICAL) was a direct cut and paste from your straw man attempt.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Yes, exactly. If as some here have suggested, OWS really does want everyone and anyone to join, then surely they won't object. But I wonder if I made up a sign that said, oh, something like "End Big Government" it would be interesting to see the reaction.

I think mine is going to say "US OUT OF AMERICA!"

No, wait... that would probably be too well received....

How about "END GOVERNMENT SPONSORED SOCIALISM!" as a counterpoint to the "END CAPITALISM!" signs? At least mine limits it to only the government-sponsored sort, and leaves the socialist types alone to do as they will, as long as it isn't infringing on the rest of us.

Seems fair to me, more so than calling for the outright ban of an entire ideology as the anti-capitalist signs are doing.

maybe a call to fix our own problems before we go to invading yet another Middle Eastern country (or even a foreign diplomatic mission...), i.e. Israel, to try to fix THEIRS?

Decisions, decisions...

Originally posted by Drezden

Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh
reply to post by Drezden

 

Wow.

It is like the 1920's and 1930's are happening all over again.

A certain Führer would be proud of you, young padawan.

Very good.. anyone who doesn't agree with Israel blindly is automatically a Nazi.. excellent way to kill honest open debate.. I mean after all people who question 9/11 must be communist lovers...

I loose more respect for ATS by the day..

In much the same way as anyone watching Fox News is automatically zombiefied and unable to think for themselves... neat argument you've got going there - how does that work again?

BTW, I was good to my word, looked up Fox News and flipped the channel just after 4 am here. It says "Off Air". What time do they fire that baby up in the mornings? I turned the channel back to Sci Fi, but would like to know what time Fox opens for business so I can check it out when it goes on-air to see what I've been missing.